Post-Game Talk: GAME #23 - Flyers beat B's in a 9 round shootout - Philadelphia 3 BRUINS 2 F/SO

[s3antana5757]

for the life of me I'm still at a complete loss as to how Jimmy Hayes has not watched a game from the press box. I hate to beat a dead horse but he brings next to nothing to the team.
If you are a prospect in Providence at what point do you start looking at the production of Hayes and wonder why your not at least getting a chance?

He was sat for 2 games when everyone was healthy. Once Noel got hurt, he got put back in.

 

[s3antana5757]

Colin is the best skater on this team among D, his foot-work is silky smooth.

Carlo is a close 2nd.

Looks like Liles will be out for awhile.

It will be interesting to see what they do once Chara comes back. Do they keep Kevan on the left side, or does Colin get a more permanent stay upstairs with Morrow being in the line-up as a natural left-shooting D.

I'd send McQuaid to the pressbox out of all of them, but I won't hold my breath.

I would like to see:

Chara-Carlo
Krug-K.Miller/McQ
Morrow-C. Miller

I could definitely see Morrow and C. Miller being our bottom pairing for awhile. We might lose one in the Vegas draft I suppose, but those two would be solid. If Carlo continues and McAvoy pans out, you'd just need a Chara replacement long-term.

 

[Deedot]

The Bruins should have sold high on Spooner. He's not good enough, at least not in this system. His turnovers on the powerplay yesterday were just awful. I've yet to see him 'bring it' in a game since the preseason.

With all due respect, it's hard for a player to "bring it" and feel confident in their abilities when all anybody sees are the mistakes (which are amplified) they make and knowing that each mistake will land you further & further in Julien's doghouse to the point where suiting up means wearing a coat & tie and watching your team play from the press box.

In truth, there are things that Spooner clearly needs to get better at, having a higher compete level, using his assets better (namely his skating to pressure quickly on the forecheck), etc. That said, when a coach constantly moves you around in the lineup, has you play an unnatural position (wing) from what you have played most of your entire life and does not provide him with some time & patience to develop & get comfortable in that new position, it's no wonder Spoons' head is probably all messed up. Personally I think Ryan is over-thinking every little thing that he does rather than allowing his natural instincts and talent to take over. He's not a rookie anymore but he's also not a veteran either. He needs time to develop but he also needs to know that his coach is behind him rather then telling the press to go ask Spooner what's wrong with him.

It would be mistake to move him as he's the exact type of player this team needs as we migrate towards a quick transitioning game because of his ability to skate and pass the puck. The team just needs to show a little patience & support for this player and if they do, they will be rewarded IMHO.

 

[TMac21]

With all due respect, it's hard for a player to "bring it" and feel confident in their abilities when all anybody sees are the mistakes (which are amplified) they make and knowing that each mistake will land you further & further in Julien's doghouse to the point where suiting up means wearing a coat & tie and watching your team play from the press box.

In truth, there are things that Spooner clearly needs to get better at, having a higher compete level, using his assets better (namely his skating to pressure quickly on the forecheck), etc. That said, when a coach constantly moves you around in the lineup, has you play an unnatural position (wing) from what you have played most of your entire life and does not provide him with some time & patience to develop & get comfortable in that new position, it's no wonder Spoons' head is probably all messed up. Personally I think Ryan is over-thinking every little thing that he does rather than allowing his natural instincts and talent to take over. He's not a rookie anymore but he's also not a veteran either. He needs time to develop but he also needs to know that his coach is behind him rather then telling the press to go ask Spooner what's wrong with him.

It would be mistake to move him as he's the exact type of player this team needs as we migrate towards a quick transitioning game because of his ability to skate and pass the puck. The team just needs to show a little patience & support for this player and if they do, they will be rewarded IMHO.

Had to feel bad for him, he goes up with Krejci and Backes in the third, the line scores a goal, and then goes back down to the 4th line when it is tied.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

The Bruins should have sold high on Spooner. He's not good enough, at least not in this system. His turnovers on the powerplay yesterday were just awful. I've yet to see him 'bring it' in a game since the preseason.

You could say the same exact thing about Backes our big signing in the off season. He has not delivered as promised and will be 33 this season. He makes 6 times the money Spooner does. Sure Backes has the intangables, St Loius is not missing it and it never lead them to anything special. Now he is older, slower. At least Spooner still has promise, he is younger, faster and creative, 3 things that Backes does not have from what I have seen so far. Not saying Spooner will be a top player because he will not be but asset wise the 3 centers we have are all on the back ends of their careers

 

[Dr Hook]

It would be mistake to move him as he's the exact type of player this team needs as we migrate towards a quick transitioning game because of his ability to skate and pass the puck. The team just needs to show a little patience & support for this player and if they do, they will be rewarded IMHO.

Had to feel bad for him, he goes up with Krejci and Backes in the third, the line scores a goal, and then goes back down to the 4th line when it is tied.

Agree with you both- I think Spooner brings the effort most nights and I was pleased with him beginning to emerge last season. He has the skill set we want, and hopefully this season start is just a bump in his development. I'd like to see where he is after another 20 games before calling for his head. In terms of his game not being on, we could say that about a lot of our guys right now. I can't recall seeing a team (any team) with as many guys offensively snakebitten as we have right now.

 

[Glove Malfunction]

I don't care about meaningless, small sample statistics.

Nash isn't as talented as any of the 5-7 guys I'd pick before him.

Therefore, I'd go with at least 7 others every time.

And if the did it tonight...they get 2 points instead of 1.

Hindsight is great Al, but Nash was not a bad choice ahead of Marchand. His high success rate is not "meaningless"

 

[Glove Malfunction]

You hit a post or crossbar and it goes in...I hit one and it doesn't.

Tuukka gets a piece with of Gostisbeher's shot tonight and it still goes in....maybe tomorrow it wouldn't.

There is a lot of luck in shootouts.

Riley Nash has 30 something career goals for a reason...

Marchand has over 150 for a reason.

And going into last night, Marchand was 20.8% on the shootout. I think there's a reason Claude used Nash first. And it has nothing to do with lucky bounces. And it has even less to do with how many in-game goals either guy has.

 

[DKH]

And going into last night, Marchand was 20.8% on the shootout. I think there's a reason Claude used Nash first. And it has nothing to do with lucky bounces. And it has even less to do with how many in-game goals either guy has.

My dream is game 82 shoot out and Bruins need to win to grab 8th seed

Boston goes last and it's 0-0 going into third shot and Claude picks Nash over Marchand

It would be awesome drama

 

[Glove Malfunction]

Brad Marchand has a had in game penalty shots infront of 15-20000 people and has buried what ? 4 out of 5

Practice is like a driving range

Shootouts generally don't have half the pressure of a penalty shot

All I know is my group of buds who in my judgement are on a par with me for hockey brilliance which is saying something all are still pissed last April when Claude.bypassed Marchand 6 times and lost in the SO to Carolina and ultimately missed the playoffs by a point

Had the Flyers won in the 4th shot Claude would have done it again

Whereas a certain poster from the sub capital of the world wants Backes to suck so he can say I told you so. That is how I feel about Nash at 2 and Marchand at 5

I'm on record the Bruins will once again finish 9th by 1 point due to the Curse of the Marchand Snub

Amazing Claude coaches team Canada and watches Marchand bury legit in game penalty shots and passes on him

Mods can we set up a sticky for posters to apologize to Sarge? I'm expecting after a nights sleep we may see a rash of enlightenment

9rh place folks 1 point bank. Lock

Dan, Marchand isn't being snubbed. He's not one of the top shooters because he's got an established, lower-than-league-average shootout percentage of 20.8%. He's great in game, but not so much in shootouts. As much as you rail on the team for not throwing him out there sooner, there's obviously a reason for it.

 

[LSCII]

If the team had more than a couple of actual scoring options and were capable of netting more than 2 goals in a game, they wouldn't need to rely on the shootout for a win.

 

[Glove Malfunction]

Tough loss, baaaaaaddddd officiating.

Claude shoot-out decisions are still baffling. Like many are saying Bergeron before Pasta or Marchand was a poor choice.

Their PP decisions are also baffling. You have the NHL's 2nd leading goal scorer and he's not on your first unit, on the first PP of the game he didn't even see the ice.

Bruins need to go all Washington-style and make Pastrnak the "OV' of the PP, setting him up for one-timers.

David Krejci at the top of the umbrella in the Mike Green role close to the blue-line.

Patrice Bergeron or David Backes the net front pressence.

Krug to the right and down a bit from Krejci, near the top of the circle.

Marchand in the Backstrom position. Some would say Spooner but he never seems to get that cross-seam pass through. Marchand is also a better one-timer threat, so in theory you could rotate the entire thing with Krug at the top of the umbrella and operate the same set-up from the other side of the ice, just this time Marchand's one-timer becomes the focus.

And please Claude, end the Krejci + Backes pairing. Put Backes in the middle and you'll get more out of both guys.

I firmly believe that the coaches go with the percentages as one of their big (but not only) criteria. Before last night, Pasta was 0 for 6, Marchand was at 20.8% and Bergeron was at 29.8%. Given that, who would you choose?

 

[DKH]

If the team had more than a couple of actual scoring options and were capable of netting more than 2 goals in a game, they wouldn't need to rely on the shootout for a win.

But 2.5 is what it is these days

 

[nickyb]

Great time last night in Philly, despite the loss.

I was 3rd row where the B's shoot twice, the Philly fans behind me were good **** too.

Marchand is one confident/cocky dude, he barks at everyone constantly, even his own teammates, you never realize these things when you're up in the balcony for most games primarily. He was stellar on his tying goal and shootout goal, so clutch.

At one point, the ref told Nash to "get the F outta here" after he was arguing a non-call. Pretty funny.

Bergeron looked gassed on his shootout attempt, Hayes was oh so close to ending it again as well on the backhand. Overall, a decent loser point.....too bad we couldn't get the win for Tuukka.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

anyone have our record when we play on nbcsn??
seems like we never win

 

[LSCII]

But 2.5 is what it is these days

It's 2.35, actually.

 

[BruinDust]

I firmly believe that the coaches go with the percentages as one of their big (but not only) criteria. Before last night, Pasta was 0 for 6, Marchand was at 20.8% and Bergeron was at 29.8%. Given that, who would you choose?

And your not entirely wrong.

Here is the problem with shoot-out % IMO.

How far back do you go? I mean, let's say Player X took 10 shoot-attempts between 2011 and 2013, and scored on 1, for a 10% average.

Then from 2014 to 2016, Player X took another 10 shoot-out attempts, and scored on 4 out of 10, for 40%.

So now your players career average is 25%, but the last 3 seasons they are at 40% (which is a pretty sizable difference if were debating the 9% difference between Marchand and Bergeron).

I guess what I'm saying is, if I'm a coach, I don't put a whole lot of stock in career %, because like in-game performance, players evolve, and while they may stink at shoot-outs early in their careers, may be quite good at them now, and vice versa.

Fact is, Bergeron was Zero for his last 6 attempts going into last night. So his career 29% shouldn't mean a whole lot when making the determination when to use him.

Marchand was 0 for his last 4, but does have two successful penalty shot attempts in that same timeframe. So if you count those he was 2 for his last six, while Bergeron was zero for his last 6. So Marchand is really 33% in the last two years, while Bergeron is 0% (unless I'm forgetting a successful penalty shot by Bergeron).

Both were exactly 25% in 2014-15.

I'll say this about Claude, as far as recent history goes % wise, Spooner and Nash were the two best shoot-out players at his disposal, and they shot 1 and 2.

And let's be honest, between 37, 63, 88, 46, 47, and even Backes (who was 1 for his last 2), picking the third shooter was a crap-shoot for the most part, so I'm not going to hang this shoot-out loss on Claude too much.

 

[PB37]

If I recall ( and this is from a couple of years ago ) Claude had made a comment saying he picks his shootout guys based on what the coaches see in practice on gameday, ie: who's feeling it.

 

[bob27]

If I recall ( and this is from a couple of years ago ) Claude had made a comment saying he picks his shootout guys based on what the coaches see in practice on gameday, ie: who's feeling it.

Hasn't really proven to be a winning strategy. Can't afford to lose so many point as a bubble team, especially with the likes of Ottawa killing it in the shootout.

 

[Sheppy]

Losing shootouts is one thing, but having Rask constantly give you a chance to win and not capitalize on them is another. I can understand if Rask allows a goal or two in the first 3 attempts, but the way he has been, you need to capitalize.

 

[World of Wardlow]

The refs were garbage

 

[Glove Malfunction]

The refs were garbage

With all the talk of who shot when in the shootout, this got lost a little bit. Some absolutely horribad calls last night.

 

[Trap Jesus]

I don't get bent out of shape about shootout choices on this team. Reality is that we don't have any absolute must-shoot players. The shootout percentages for players that have taken a significant amount with this team favor Bergeron, Krejci and Marchand, but none of them crack 30%. You would think Pastrnak would be a no-brainer, but he's never scored on one.

I'd probably go with some combination of Bergeron, Krejci, Pastrnak and Marchand every time just based on skill, but am not losing any sleep if Clode wants to switch it up.

 

[EverettMike]

Brad Marchand has a had in game penalty shots infront of 15-20000 people and has buried what ? 4 out of 5

Practice is like a driving range

Shootouts generally don't have half the pressure of a penalty shot

All I know is my group of buds who in my judgement are on a par with me for hockey brilliance which is saying something all are still pissed last April when Claude.bypassed Marchand 6 times and lost in the SO to Carolina and ultimately missed the playoffs by a point

Had the Flyers won in the 4th shot Claude would have done it again

Whereas a certain poster from the sub capital of the world wants Backes to suck so he can say I told you so. That is how I feel about Nash at 2 and Marchand at 5

I'm on record the Bruins will once again finish 9th by 1 point due to the Curse of the Marchand Snub

Amazing Claude coaches team Canada and watches Marchand bury legit in game penalty shots and passes on him

Mods can we set up a sticky for posters to apologize to Sarge? I'm expecting after a nights sleep we may see a rash of enlightenment

9rh place folks 1 point bank. Lock

Next time you lie about me please just use my name so everyone knows who you mean.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

I don't get bent out of shape about shootout choices on this team. Reality is that we don't have any absolute must-shoot players. The shootout percentages for players that have taken a significant amount with this team favor Bergeron, Krejci and Marchand, but none of them crack 30%. You would think Pastrnak would be a no-brainer, but he's never scored on one.

I'd probably go with some combination of Bergeron, Krejci, Pastrnak and Marchand every time just based on skill, but am not losing any sleep if Clode wants to switch it up.

I tend to agree with this. I think if Marchand isn't in the top 3 somewhere its an incredibly poor decision, but if Claude feels like switching it up and riding a hot hand then I don't really care. I didn't even mind the Hayes selection.

Its not like we have a Seguin to automatically throw out there every round 1.