Post-Game Talk: GAME #21 - Flames extinguish BRUINS 2-1 - Now 4-5 at home :(

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Sheppy

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Remember when this team had toughness? God damn, "but the game is changing" - Did the game change when Boston decided to bully the **** out of the Canucks to win the cup? You remove guys like Shawn Thornton, Rinaldo (who drew a lot of calls) Randell, who outscored the entire 4th Line last year in less games.

"hey guys, welcome to Boston! We were once tough... when we were competitive.
 

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I do not expect chicken salad but I am tired of the same cold fish for the last 3 years. He is the captain of the ship and direction they take tactically every game since the embarrassing fail to the habs 3 yrs ago because it was the habs its worse. The epic fail last year down the stretch. He does not have the horses is horse hockey as Colonel Potter said. Do something learn a new break out play or PP, play a little more offensive like every other team do not rehash the 2011 style its over, they call everything now, speed is it and its not changing.

They replaced Kelly, Campbell, Paille with younger guys and likewise guys in Nash, Schaller, Moore, Backes, Acciari even Hayes as Caron. They resigned Kevan and did not deal McQuaid. He has exactly the kind of guys he loves. He has Bergy, Krejci, Marchand, Chara. Rising star Pastrnak and Carlo and Rask playing like Price. This is not the sabres lineup and still the Leafs are on our tail, lucky the Isles and Canes are horrible and the Panthers had injuries.

Pens made a move last year and it turned everything around and Malkin and Letang were injured most of the year, everyone was laughing at Kessel and Crosby was bad till the change. Not saying that can happen here but I do not see Claude coaching the soon to be influx of skilled players. Look who comes here Backes and Beleskey, do we see Connor or Vesey saying yeah I wanna go there, nope. Are we in on Trouba or any other young players radar, nope. I wonder why and wonder what is being said around the league in rooms and at meals between players.

It is getting close to the time, everyone knows the Montreal template to beating us. He was out coaching in the end of last year by a few college coaches with younger horses and should have been gone then. Habs and Jersey survived after he left, we can too. Always appreciate 2011 and a 2013 but its a game and we move on, stale message needs a upgrade its just business ask Seids and Shawn
 
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There is a very good chance that simply firing Claude (and Sacco) won't fix what ails this team.

But even if they finish dead last this season, unless your veteran core (37, 46, 63, 33, 42) start asking to leave, they aren't going all fire sale on them. I didn't include Tuukka because moving him is exactly the type of short-sighted move I'd expect out of this organization at this point.

They'd get more power plays, and with Sacco gone too, they might actually be effective...

But seriously, I like Julien, I respect him. I'm not one of those "he hates the kids," but he had a much better roster last season, and choked down the stretch, an even better roster the year before, and choked down the stretch, and even better roster the year before and choked in the 2nd round. I think his time has run its course, and his rigid system is wearing on the players. They play tight, afraid to make mistakes, then make even more. They start off by playing a more uptempo game from the D out, then if there are any missteps, right back to D to D and force it up the boards to a stationary winger.

He brought me a cup win I didn't think was coming, and am forever grateful, but the game has changed so much in 5 years. And there's a cloud of frustration around this team that they just can't skate through. I firmly believe it would be a breath of fresh air in the room. He is too tight and rigid. Nothings going to change otherwise.
 

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By the way, I'm still waiting for someone to justify Jimmy Hayes in the lineup over Tyler Randell.

I don't think anyone could justify Jimmy Hayes in the lineup over a leaking tomato can let alone an actual hockey player... Terrible trade by Sweeney. Whether someone liked or disliked Smith doesn't matter Sweeney traded a 25 goal scorer for a pile of Charlestown garbage.
 

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I do not expect chicken salad but I am tired of the same cold fish for the last 3 years. Its never the coaches fault, that is laughable because he is the captain of the ship and direction they take tactically every damm game since the embarrassing fail to the habs 3 yrs ago and the epic, I say EPIC FAIL last year. He does not have the horses is horse hockey as Colonel Potter said. Thats a cop out, do something learn a new break out play or PP, play a little more offensive like every other team do not rehash the 2011 style its over.

They replaced Kelly, Campbell, Paille with younger guys and likewise guys in Nash, Schaller, Moore, Backes, Acciari even Hayes as Caron. They resigned Kevan and did not deal McQuaid. He has exactly the kind of guys he loves. He has Bergy, Krejci, Marchand, Chara. Rising star Pastrnak and Carlo and Rask playing like Price. This is not the sabres lineup and still the Leafs are on our tail, lucky the Isles and Canes are horrible and the Panthers had injuries.

Pens made a move last year and it turned everything around and Malkin and Letang were injured most of the year, everyone was laughing at Kessel and Crosby was bad till the change. Not saying that can happen here but no way Claude can coach the soon to be influx of skilled players. Look who comes here Backes and Beleskey, do we see Connor or Vesey saying yeah I wanna go there, nope. Are we in on Trouba or any other young players radar, nope. I wonder why and wonder what is being said around the league in rooms and at meals between players. It is getting close to the time, everyone knows the Montreal template to beating us. He was out coaching in the end of last year by a few college coaches with younger horses and should have been gone then. Habs and Jersey survived after he left, we can too

Oh, Here's something for you. The last time The Bruins played Pittsburgh in the post season Boston completely trampled them. They tried to be physical, Boston completely plastered then around the rink. Pittsburgh was terrified to go into the corners with Boston. That said, hey, gotta change the style all of a sudden...
 

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I don't really think the team lacks toughness, especially relative to most of the league. I just think most of the tough guys are banged up and aren't inclined to go out looking to start something. I don't think they are letting themselves be pushed around.

Forwards need to be better, plain and simple. Defense hasn't been the abomination I expected with Chara out- I think this is the best we can hope for.

It's sad it's come to this but Schaller looked good on the PP from what I saw...idk.


The sky is falling when we are losing and we are cup contenders when we are winning. I like the way they play with a healthy Chara and the forward group playing up to their abilities. Water finds its level- ex: Bergeron isn't gonna be a .33 ppg player for the rest of the year. I think there is room for the forward group to improve whether it via Vatrano coming back or some of the Providence or college guys coming in.

I'm not gonna kick Hayes when he's down, I'm glad he threw that hit and was willing to drop the gloves at the very least. Wasn't much of a fight but it's a start. If I had my druthers he wouldn't be in the lineup but it is what it is for the time being
 

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They'd get more power plays, and with Sacco gone too, they might actually be effective...

But seriously, I like Julien, I respect him. I'm not one of those "he hates the kids," but he had a much better roster last season, and choked down the stretch, an even better roster the year before, and choked down the stretch, and even better roster the year before and choked in the 2nd round. I think his time has run its course, and his rigid system is wearing on the players. They play tight, afraid to make mistakes, then make even more. They start off by playing a more uptempo game from the D out, then if there are any missteps, right back to D to D and force it up the boards to a stationary winger.

He brought me a cup win I didn't think was coming, and am forever grateful, but the game has changed so much in 5 years. And there's a cloud of frustration around this team that they just can't skate through. I firmly believe it would be a breath of fresh air in the room. He is too tight and rigid. Nothings going to change otherwise.

Claude Julien didn't choke against the Habs, Kevin Miller, Matt Bartkowski. Torey Krug and Rask did among others. Could have used more from the first line in that series as well. We lost that series because we were without Seidenberg and McQuaid. Not to mention Plekanec slashed Chara and broke his wrist. Replacing Seidenberg and McQuaid that year with Miller and Bartkowski killed us against the Habs. He has had more players of impact removed from his team every year since that year and has often been given no replacement player of substance yet people expect him to do better as a coach (Lucic, Boychuk, Smith, Hamilton, Iginla, Ference, etc). The power play sucks because a key player, Louie Erikkson was let go and replaced with a guy who is not a significant power play producer in Backes. I don't care how Louie is doing in Vancouver he worked well in Boston on the power play and clicked with Krejci last year. He now has Cassidy and Sacco as assistants instead of Houda and Jarvis. Cassidy and Sacco have never won anything of note as coaches and Houda and Jarvis were both well respected and have Stanley Cup rings as coaches. Lets really break down the coaching situation before we call for Claude's head and offer the job to Cassidy or Sacco.

Cassidy: No championships as a Coach at any level. The few teams he has coached who have enjoyed regular season success have always choked in the early rounds of the post-season. He has never made it past the second round as the P Bruins coach and has not developed any significant prospects of note in Boston. You can blame management for its drafting but the fact remains that Cassidy has no track record of successful prospect development.

Sacco: Zero winning seasons in the AHL, one winning season in the NHL which was followed by a six game first round elimination in the playoffs and three last place conference finishes. Matt Duchene and Tyson Barrie only began to emerge following Sacco's dismissal.

Doug Jarvis: Stanley Cup Winning assistant coach in Dallas and Boston. Stanley Cup Finals coach in Boston. Coached the Hamilton Bulldogs to three consecutive winning seasons during his time there between 2003 and 2005 including a trip to the AHL Calder Cup Finals in 2003.

Doug Houda: Spent three seasons as an Assistant Coach in Rochester where the team made the playoffs two out of the three seasons he was there and made the conference finals in 2003-2004. Stanley Cup Winner and Finalist in Boston. Helped hone/develop Johnny Boychuk, Adam Mcquaid, Torey Krug, Matt Hunwick, etc.

Claude Julien: 1997 Memorial Cup Championship. 11 Playoff series victories, 1 Stanley Cup and 2 EC Championships. Has developed Milan Lucic, David Krejci, Blake Wheeler (Scored 20 plus goals in his rookie year), Reilly Smith (Scored 25 goals in his first year as a Bruin), Tyler Seguin (Lead the team in pts and appeared in the All-Star game during his second season), Brad Marchand, Johnny Boychuk, Adam McQuaid, Zach Parise, Johnny Oduya, Paul Martin, Sheldon Souray, Andrei Markov, Michael Ryder and Mike Ribeiro among others. Coached Team Canada at the WJC (they don't just let anybody have that job) and has two Olympic gold medals as an Assistant Coach for the best hockey team on earth, Team Canada. Once again they don't pick names out of a hat to coach team Canada. Jack Adams award winner. During his days in the QMJHL he ran arguably the best hockey prospect off season development camp in the Ottawa region for several years.

Seems to me that we had some good assistant coaches and fired them for the wrong guys. Also seems like firing Claude for any of the stiffs standing next to him on the bench would be a bad idea too. Sweeney has done the right thing in keeping Claude but has missed badly on his assistants... Don't believe me fine just do a google search, read and see for yourself...
 
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You guys can make all the excuses you want, the Bruins play their best hockey when they're nasty.

Agreed. We got rid of our good nasty players though. They are key players on other teams around the league. Lucic plies his trade for the Oilers who are on the rise. Boychuk became the Islanders lynch pin defense man. Dougie Hamilton has more points than any of our defense man. We also lost solid grit guys in Paille, Campbell and Thornton who were not replaced. I bet Danny Paille could come back and outscore Noel Acciari. People complained about Campbell's speed but as slow as he was he still had half a gear on Tim "sh*tty" Schaller...
 

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Agreed. We got rid of our good nasty players though. They are key players on other teams around the league. Lucic plies his trade for the Oilers who are on the rise. Boychuk became the Islanders lynch pin defense man. Dougie Hamilton has more points than any of our defense man. We also lost solid grit guys in Paille, Campbell and Thornton who were not replaced. I bet Danny Paille could come back and outscore Noel Acciari. People complained about Campbell's speed but as slow as he was he still had half a gear on Tim "sh*tty" Schaller...

Moore and Schaller are playing better than Paille and Campbell in there final year here. There is a reason both are out of jobs in the NHL. One of th biggest improvements is the 4th line
 

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Moore and Schaller are playing better than Paille and Campbell in there final year here. There is a reason both are out of jobs in the NHL. One of th biggest improvements is the 4th line

So all they have to be is better than Paille and Campbell's final year here?

I have no problem with Moore but Schaller and Hayes (Who is down on the 4th line) are terrible. Schaller should be out of a job but he played at Providence and Sweeney has a hard on for useless players from the area (see Noel Accari as well).
 

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Nice, at least they managed to score a goal.

How long does it take for the management and Clode to make some changes?:rant:

This team is as boring and uncompetitive as last year. 2 years (soon 3) without playoff hockey and still everything gets whitewashed by the whole management. Bunch of incompetent losers.
 

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Fell asleep and shots were like 8-2 Calgary. Never thought we'd win the "corsi battle". Not that it mattered. :laugh:
 

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I didn't know where else to post this and here seemed the most appropriate place.

I see Jimmy Hayes, Ryan Spooner, etc, getting a lot of blame in the threads here. Those guys are not the problem, the problem is Krejci, Bergeron, and Backes. Like it or not those are the guys who this team is built around that are not coming through when needed. Pastrnak and Marchand are doing their part and we all know by now that Spooner will play twice as well at center. Blaming Jimmy Hayes for the Bruins offensive problems is like blaming the punter for a bad pass in football.

Bergeron is clearly not right at the moment. Krejci is not gelling with his linemates and Spooner is a center like it or not.

The defense needs two top 4 guys so there is no amount of mixing and matching that is going to fix that until those players are on the team but the forward lines need a shake up. I propose this:

Marchand-Bergeron-Czarnik
Belesky-Krejci-Pastrnak
Moore-Spooner-Backes
Nash-Schaller-Hayes

When Vatrano returns he goes on the 3rd line and Moore to the 4th line and Hayes to the bench.

Honestly, can that be any worse than what we are seeing now?
 
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Pia8988

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I didn't know where else to post this and here seemed the most appropriate place.

I see Jimmy Hayes, Ryan Spooner, etc, getting a lot of blame in the threads here. Those guys are not the problem, the problem is Krejci, Bergeron, and Backes. Like it or not those are the guys who this team is built around that are not coming through when needed. Pastrnak and Marchand are doing their part and we all know by now that Spooner will play twice as well at center. Blaming Jimmy Hayes for the Bruins offensive problems is like blaming the punter for a bad pass in football.

Bergeron is clearly not right at the moment. Krejci is not gelling with his linemates and Spooner is a center like it or not.

The defense needs two top 4 guys so there is no amount of mixing and matching that is going to fix that until those players are on the team but the forward lines need a shake up. I propose this:

Marchand-Bergeron-Czarnik
Belesky-Krejci-Pastrnak
Moore-Spooner-Backes
Nash-Schaller-Hayes

When Vatrano returns he goes on the 3rd line and Moore to the 4th line.

Honestly, can that be any worse than what we are seeing now?

100% this. Hayes's thread will get the most posts because he is an easy target, but he is not even close to the biggest issue with this team.

1. Chara injury
2. Bergeron
3. Goalies not named Rask are horrendous
4.-6. Krejci, Krug, Backes (I feel these all fill around the same range of importance)
7. The PP is abysmal

Sure, Hayes would be the easiest fix, but by far the least impactful.

If |..................................................| is the overall size of the bruins problems. |.|, that's how much smaller replacing Hayes would be.

Now, this is no means a defense of Hayes or even that he should be playing at the moment. But he isn't the reason the Bruins are playing so poorly right now, it's all those big names up front making all the money not producing.
 

Fossy21

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And Marchand should've made it less blatant on the goaltender interference. He could've skated up next to him and Giordano would've still skated in to him without interference because there was just no lane for him to go, the little shove from Marchand probably sealed it (then again, it probably would've been disallowed even if Marchand didn't touch him there, because reasons). Lehterä was much more subtle with his still blatant interference on Rask.
 

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I do not expect chicken salad but I am tired of the same cold fish for the last 3 years. He is the captain of the ship and direction they take tactically every game since the embarrassing fail to the habs 3 yrs ago because it was the habs its worse. The epic fail last year down the stretch. He does not have the horses is horse hockey as Colonel Potter said. Do something learn a new break out play or PP, play a little more offensive like every other team do not rehash the 2011 style its over, they call everything now, speed is it and its not changing.

They replaced Kelly, Campbell, Paille with younger guys and likewise guys in Nash, Schaller, Moore, Backes, Acciari even Hayes as Caron. They resigned Kevan and did not deal McQuaid. He has exactly the kind of guys he loves. He has Bergy, Krejci, Marchand, Chara. Rising star Pastrnak and Carlo and Rask playing like Price. This is not the sabres lineup and still the Leafs are on our tail, lucky the Isles and Canes are horrible and the Panthers had injuries.

Pens made a move last year and it turned everything around and Malkin and Letang were injured most of the year, everyone was laughing at Kessel and Crosby was bad till the change. Not saying that can happen here but I do not see Claude coaching the soon to be influx of skilled players. Look who comes here Backes and Beleskey, do we see Connor or Vesey saying yeah I wanna go there, nope. Are we in on Trouba or any other young players radar, nope. I wonder why and wonder what is being said around the league in rooms and at meals between players.

It is getting close to the time, everyone knows the Montreal template to beating us. He was out coaching in the end of last year by a few college coaches with younger horses and should have been gone then. Habs and Jersey survived after he left, we can too. Always appreciate 2011 and a 2013 but its a game and we move on, stale message needs a upgrade its just business ask Seids and Shawn

They'd get more power plays, and with Sacco gone too, they might actually be effective...

But seriously, I like Julien, I respect him. I'm not one of those "he hates the kids," but he had a much better roster last season, and choked down the stretch, an even better roster the year before, and choked down the stretch, and even better roster the year before and choked in the 2nd round. I think his time has run its course, and his rigid system is wearing on the players. They play tight, afraid to make mistakes, then make even more. They start off by playing a more uptempo game from the D out, then if there are any missteps, right back to D to D and force it up the boards to a stationary winger.

He brought me a cup win I didn't think was coming, and am forever grateful, but the game has changed so much in 5 years. And there's a cloud of frustration around this team that they just can't skate through. I firmly believe it would be a breath of fresh air in the room. He is too tight and rigid. Nothings going to change otherwise.

:handclap::handclap::handclap::handclap::handclap:
It's time.
 
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