GDT: Game 20: LA Kings @ Anaheim Ducks 5 PM

[theMajor]

I think amadio will replace carter and most likely only 2-3 years out

2-3 years? ya'll are crazy

 

[The Butcher]

Sutter won't play that style.

Did you check out that 2012 playoff run?

Offence can be turned on at the right moments.

You and the lottery thing. I just don't get it.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The Pens D was sheltered by their up ice pressure. In the finals every time they touched the puck the Pens were exploding up the ice and forcing the Sharks to choose between giving up breaks or backing off. Sutter won't play that style. Sutter needs a solid D he will lean on. What works for the Pens won't work for the Kings.

I'd love to know what you think is wrong with it at this point.

"they're young' doesn't seem like a great answer given all the handwringing around here about getting younger.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

2-3 years? ya'll are crazy

whats so crazy about that ? full year this year*(ahl) next year gets a cup(nhl) of coffee 3rd year full time

 

[HookKing]

The only problem the Kings will have regarding Carter is how much his next contract will cost.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Did you check out that 2012 playoff run?

Trolfoli doesn't mean up-ice pressure in the relentless forechecking sense, he's talking about how the Pens d didn't have to make perfect passes, they just flung area passes out of the zone and created footraces any time they could

i.e. there's more pressure on the Kings' d to make those passes

 

[Trolfoli]

I'd love to know what you think is wrong with it at this point.

Muzzin/Martinez give me no faith. I don't know what's wrong with it, but I don't like it. Could be Martinez is the one moving the puck out of the zone and he's on his back hand.

Forbort.... nothing wrong there other then being young, well in NHL experience anyways. It's asking a lot to put him on the first pair for a playoff run in the next year or 2.

Doughty's fine.

3rd pair isn't all that important, between Gravel/Gilbert/Greene AHL Kings should be able to piece something together.

Pretty much the second pair. To a lesser extent it would be nice for Doughty to not have to carry someone on the top pair so he could turn up his game. Forbort seems to be picking things up quickly.

Edit: Probably being too hard on Muzzin/Martinez. They're hanging in there... but not dominating. Need to fix it.

 

[Trolfoli]

Trolfoli doesn't mean up-ice pressure in the relentless forechecking sense, he's talking about how the Pens d didn't have to make perfect passes, they just flung area passes out of the zone and created footraces any time they could

i.e. there's more pressure on the Kings' d to make those passes

I'm not always good with the words...

 

[Holden Caulfield]

I think amadio will replace carter and most likely only 2-3 years out

Amadio might replace Dowd in 2-3 years, you are dreaming if you think he is replacing Carter. Kempe might be able to though.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

The only problem the Kings will have regarding Carter is how much his next contract will cost.

Carter's next contract won't be bad. He'll be 37 by then. He might not even want to play anymore by then.

 

[damacles1156]

Amadio might replace Dowd in 2-3 years, you are dreaming if you think he is replacing Carter. Kempe might be able to though.

Kempe can skate like Carter, but he will never have the scoring touch.

Kempe is looking more like all around producer(20G 20A type), he simply hasn't shown a goal scorers shot, or mentality.

Kempe has 29 Goals in 99 AHL games, not exactly stellar.

 

[HookKing]

Carter's next contract won't be bad. He'll be 37 by then. He might not even want to play anymore by then.

You missed the point. Carter will be fine for the rest of his current contract. He will actually be younger than Joe Thornton is now. Does Joe look like he's ready to pack it in? How about Hossa? Jeez people. Your career is not over at 30.

 

[lordjedediah]

You missed the point. Carter will be fine for the rest of his current contract. He will actually be younger than Joe Thornton is now. Does Joe look like he's ready to pack it in? How about Hossa? Jeez people. Your career is not over at 30.

30 isn't 37 and if a 37 year old wants a big contract you let them walk.

 

[kings11]

Kempe can skate like Carter, but he will never have the scoring touch.

Kempe is looking more like all around producer(20G 20A type), he simply hasn't shown a goal scorers shot, or mentality.

Kempe has 29 Goals in 99 AHL games, not exactly stellar.

Adrian Kempe has a lot of Adam Deadmarsh the more I watch his highlights and the very few Ontario games I've been able to watch....
Michael Amadio, I always thought had some Mike Richards in his game but we will have a better idea if his potential by seasons end.

 

[johnjm22]

I was hoping they'd make the lottery because despite playing well recently they still don't have a defense for a deep playoff run. Sucks.

I'm not convinced they can't make a run this year.

I'm not saying I think they will, I just don't think it's too far fetched either.

If they get healthy, and build some momentum at the right time, they'll be a tough team to out in a series considering most of the Western Conference is pretty weak. The emergence of Dowd/Forbort, and the play of Seto/Brown makes this team deeper than previously thought.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'm not convinced they can't make a run this year.

I'm not saying I think they will, I just don't think it's too far fetched either.

If they get healthy, and build some momentum at the right time, they'll be a tough team to out in a series considering most of the Western Conference is pretty weak. The emergence of Dowd/Forbort, and the play of Seto/Brown makes this team deeper than previously thought.

Absolutely. We may not be the team like we were in 2013 and 2014 (and allegedly 2015), but we won when we didn't expect it, too--this team may not be a favorite, but they're certainly a pain in the ass and a hard out.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Kempe can skate like Carter, but he will never have the scoring touch.

Kempe is looking more like all around producer(20G 20A type), he simply hasn't shown a goal scorers shot, or mentality.

Kempe has 29 Goals in 99 AHL games, not exactly stellar.

He was also the youngest (or damn close) player in the legue last year. He has shown good scoring. Doubt he reaches prime 40 goal Carter but current 30g, 50-60 point Carter? Absolutly has that potential. Has a wicked wrist shot and good hands. Underrated hockey IQ. Still needs some refining no doubt but coming along. Hes pretty underrated around here, IMO.

Its not a dig on Amadio to say he has 3rd line potential. Hes a hard worker and a smart player. Hes come a loooong ways from his draft year. But the skill for top 6 is just not there.

 

[driller1]

I'm not convinced they can't make a run this year.

I'm not saying I think they will, I just don't think it's too far fetched either.

If they get healthy, and build some momentum at the right time, they'll be a tough team to out in a series considering most of the Western Conference is pretty weak. The emergence of Dowd/Forbort, and the play of Seto/Brown makes this team deeper than previously thought.

Absolutely. We may not be the team like we were in 2013 and 2014 (and allegedly 2015), but we won when we didn't expect it, too--this team may not be a favorite, but they're certainly a pain in the ass and a hard out.

I think it will all rest on the defense. We've upgraded significantly from last year. Also need to keep in mind AMart was hurt in the playoffs. Slotting AMart back into the #3, we move McNabb to #4. That means we're better from #3 to #6 in D-men, at least in ability to skate and move the puck. I would argue the improvement is significant, as Scuderi, Schenn, Greene are ill equipped to play at the tempo required in the playoffs.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Amadio might replace Dowd in 2-3 years, you are dreaming if you think he is replacing Carter. Kempe might be able to though.

Amadio has way higher ceiling than kempe imo a 50 goal 98 point jr season show me he has better upside than Kempe. He need to put in his time in the ahl of course but I'm willing to say he's got more skill then dowd and kempe. He is a top 6 center without a doubt in my mind in the future. Kempe is going to end up as a wing in the nhl I don't see him playing center

 

[HookKing]

30 isn't 37 and if a 37 year old wants a big contract you let them walk.

Which is what my point was.

 

[PJ Kings Hockey]

Amadio has way higher ceiling than kempe imo a 50 goal 98 point jr season show me he has better upside than Kempe. He need to put in his time in the ahl of course but I'm willing to say he's got more skill then dowd and kempe. He is a top 6 center without a doubt in my mind in the future. Kempe is going to end up as a wing in the nhl I don't see him playing center

Kempe has the highest ceiling of our forward prospects. I would be one of the happiest if he could find it within himself to take his game to another level. Amadio projects to be a bottom 6 center but he surprised everyone last season by doing just that, taking his game to another level. Question is, who is more likely to reach his ceiling?

 

[damacles1156]

You missed the point. Carter will be fine for the rest of his current contract. He will actually be younger than Joe Thornton is now. Does Joe look like he's ready to pack it in? How about Hossa? Jeez people. Your career is not over at 30.

I would argue, most hockey players careers are over between 30-35, some sooner.

You are talking about the select few in Jumbo Joe/Hossa ETC.

How many Jagr's are in the league ? One.

Carter's game depends on his skating speed/hands, how long he keeps those is what will determine how long he stays in the league.

I think Carter will be fine around 34-35, but after that, I wouldn't bet on 20+ goal seasons from Carter.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Kempe has the highest ceiling of our forward prospects. I would be one of the happiest if he could find it within himself to take his game to another level. Amadio projects to be a bottom 6 center but he surprised everyone last season by doing just that, taking his game to another level. Question is, who is more likely to reach his ceiling?

i disagree How does amadio who is playing top 6 mins in the ahl project with the best numbers from jrs a kings player has had in years project to bottom 6 Sorry i don't see it. Yes i think it will take a year or two but if he does what he did in jrs he will be a top 6 in the ahl which will get him a shot at top 6 nhl providing he puts up the same numbers he's capable of. Kempe has top 6 talent but Amadio will put up better numbers when all's said and done imo

 

[damacles1156]

Kempe has the highest ceiling of our forward prospects. I would be one of the happiest if he could find it within himself to take his game to another level. Amadio projects to be a bottom 6 center but he surprised everyone last season by doing just that, taking his game to another level. Question is, who is more likely to reach his ceiling?

Kempe has that raw talent, good skill.

But he lacks consistent play, and desire to use those tools. He reminds me of Frolov. Kempe takes over one shift, then has three shifts where you didn't even know he hit the ice, Frustrating !

This is a big season for Kempe in the AHL, he needs to show he can be productive against AHL defenders, on a consistent basis. Kempe is coming up on 100 AHL games, it's time to show what type of player he want's to be. Also maybe we all need to accept that Kempe may need an additional year in the AHL, if he can't develop consistent play this year.

Cause it only gets harder in the NHL.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

i disagree How does amadio who is playing top 6 mins in the ahl project with the best numbers from jrs a kings player has had in years project to bottom 6 Sorry i don't see it. Yes i think it will take a year or two but if he does what he did in jrs he will be a top 6 in the ahl which will get him a shot at top 6 nhl providing he puts up the same numbers he's capable of. Kempe has top 6 talent but Amadio will put up better numbers when all's said and done imo

Numbers aren't everything. Show me a guy who destroys juniors, and I'll show you Corey Locke.

I'm higher on Amadio than most but it's not because of his numbers. It's because of his smarts, ability to be a nuisance, and unstoppable work ethic. I know he's only going to get better. But I'm not sure whether he becomes Nic Dowd or Nick Shore. I'm not sure he has the creativity or shot to be a top-sixer, but I've always felt good about him being a responsible 3C.

Now what he DID do in juniors was get better and better every year, and that's what was amazing. He has yet to do that at the pro level.