Post-Game Talk: GAME 10 - What was that? - Flyers 2 BRUINS 0

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Said this earlier this month before the season started....

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Well in these last 10 games the team went 4-5-1 with just 2 wins in regulation. They're tied for last in the division with a -7 goal differential. The next 10 games for the Bruins and their P% rank as of today.....

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After these 10 we'll be at the quarter mark of the season. Dallas & Carolina are tough ones, but the rest are very winnable games. This team can't go .500 these next 10, that's just unacceptable.
 

BigGoalBrad

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That 5-3 was hilarious they've even ruined Pasternak.

With weed being legal in MA im pretty sure McAvoy is loading up on bong hits and gummies before games these days he reminds me of those super talented kids I'd play with growing up that never had a care in the world and did that.
 
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A trade needs to happen at this point. Something to shake up the lines.

Or look to sell and improve for next season.
We haven't traded a core player in close to a decade it seems. Sweeney is just too cowardly I guess he must hang out with them off the ice and not want to upset their wives?

Coyle or Carlo having to pack up and move to Calgary should be enough to motivate the other players.
 

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Sometimes I feel like we forget that a GM has bigger picture elements to consider - you can't just (easily) trade core guys, especially flagship guys, because it will have explicit impact on the business - and that's how they look at this, from a business perspective vs a fan perspective.

Now, sitting idle and watching the wheels fall off will have the same impact, of course, but there are realities sometimes that are not palatable to fans - because propping up the business end weighs more, sometimes.
 

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The bottom line is the drop-off in offense from last year to this year is disturbing and a major concern.

Last season, the Bruins scored 263 goals. Good for 13th overall, 11th among playoff teams.

Pasta accounted for 47. Forwards 2 through 9 (Marchand, Coyle, Zacha, Debrusk, Frederic, Geekie, Heinen and JVR) accounted for 157. The D scored 31 and all other forwards totaled 28.

Right now, Pasta is basically on pace to match last year's production (49 goals pro-rated).

The D-corps has had an uptick thus far (on pace for 41 [+10]). All other forwards (i.e. the 4th line) has essentially doubled their production (on pace for 66) but common sense says that isn't sustainable.

The huge concern is among forwards 2 through 9 (Marchand, Coyle, Zacha, Lindholm, Frederic, Geekie, Brazeau, Poitras). Combined they are on pace for just 66 goals, nearly 90 goals less than last year. But much like the 4th line, that isn't sustainable either.

Let's assume Pasta and the D-corps maintain their pace. Forwards 2-9 sees their pace improve but that will combine with a regressed pace from all other forwards (4th line). Right now combined they are on pace for 132 goals combined (66 and 66).

Let's assume that Forwards 2-9 post around 100 goals, and the remaining forwards score 40 for a total of 140. That is still 45 less goals scored than last year from that group, over half-a-goal per game. That half-a-goal per game drop-off may not seem like much but it is MASSIVE. I'd project the Bruins to score roughly between 225-235 goals this year, which would of put them between 24th and 28th overall in the league last season.

Not to pile on Marchand, but he has just 9 goals since last years all-star break (54 games). He's a regressing 36-year old expected (by most if not all) to be your 2nd most reliable goal scorer. Let that sink in.

Then combine all of that with the fact you no longer have two legitimate No.1 goaltenders splitting time, and the coaching staff has seemingly abandoned the tight defensive structure of Bruins teams of the past two decades in a perverse attempt to mimic the Florida Panthers game plan. Your own division (and conference) seems to have gotten deeper and stronger (less easy games, tougher competition for playoff spots), and overall it's easy to see how this season is shaping up to be a complete disaster and a playoff DNQ.

We can talk about leadership, physicality, push-back, etc. etc. etc. but at the end of the day, it's a game of putting pucks past opposing goaltenders and keeping pucks out of your own net. And right now, this Bruins team is seemingly bad at both with no light at the end of the tunnel.

Firing the coaching staff and bring in a group that will instill rock solid air-tight defensive structure and try to win games 1-0, 2-1 and 3-2 looks to be the only realistic option here because there is no magic move(s) that will make this forward group one that scores consistently. The offensive talent simply isn't there and neither is the cap space to do anything about it.

If that doesn't work, then get what you can at the deadline for Marchand, Coyle, Frederic, Brazeau and Geekie and try to retool the forward group next summer. There is no rebuild coming.

If all of that seems dire, well, it is. The last time I can recall the outlook looking this dire this early in the season was 2005-2006. And we all know how that turned out. But I don't see them making a franchise altering trade like they did in 2005-06. I don't see them firing the front office at the end of the season either, regardless of the end result. It's on management to figure it out. Whether they do that in-season, or next off-season.
Outstanding job, you really hit on a lot, I am not saying I agree with everything you put out and I am sure there will be many with other opinions. Your post should be discussed, and not torn apart there is a lot there. ..........good job, but I am worried about this team.
 

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That 5-3 was hilarious they've even ruined Pasternak.

With weed being legal in MA im pretty sure McAvoy is loading up on bong hits and gummies before games these days he reminds me of those super talented kids I'd play with growing up that never had a care in the world and did that.
It's funny you say that because that's the exact thought I had as well. He does seem like he is always stoned.
 

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The issue is the system the Bruins play or are trying to play doesn't work. Montgomery's system is dependent on passing and scoring, which this roster isn't built for. When players like Geekie think they are snipers, there's a problem. They need to crash the net and play around it. The whole team should watch how the 4th line has been scoring goals this season.

PP is also horrendous. They should go with Lohrei, McAvoy, Pastrnak, Lindholm, and Marchand on the PP. Teams know how to cover the PP when it's the same one being used for the past 5 years. The lack of movement on the PP and them standing around is not going to open the seams/passing lanes and get the looks they want.

Defense needs to start pushing pace and skating the puck out of their own zone. These passes from D-zone to the offensive line aren't going to cut it in today's NHL, especially when the forwards aren't fast.
 

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You can pick on certain players (except Korpi who was great) but something feels wrong, and it is the whole team.

We are slower but still should be better than this.

Players have lost their confidence...you can see it in their slumped shoulders and frowns. IMO confidence is HUGE for the players. It was sad to see the Bs last night. They shouldn't be this bad. Timing is off.

The coach needs to get the team going. The team has more talent and smarts than to play like they did last night. A couple of the players are nursing injuries but still....it should not be this bad.

Someone needs to fix the PP.

My hope is a good game will help turn this around. I want to see the guys enjoying playing the game.

We were so spoiled with the season they had the last two years. It is sure more fun when they win.
The Lindholm, signing was supposed to be a cure for the power play. You are something needs to be done, my suggestion, Mac Avoy, has been horrible and not just on the PP, take Mc, Marchand, and E. Lindhol off the PP, go with two d-man on the PP H.Lindhom and Loheri. I also would like someone figure out why Zacha, with awesome shot he has cannot hit the freakn net, I know he is being shit on but I honestly believe he has worked both ends of the ice and is getting scoring chances, but cannot bury them, such a waste.
 

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Good post and some of your comments are fair and plausible IMHO. However I really disagree with the part above.

I think this roster is seriously flawed in its construction, and I put that on Sweeney. And I've historically been a big Sweeney supporter.

- We threw a bunch of money at Lindholm, coming off of a down year, and hoped he could turn it around. There was some risk there, but I was good with it.

- Our next best winger after Pastrnak, is 37 years old, 1yr removed from double hip surgery, and coming off 3 more off season surgeries. But we hoped he still had some gas left in the tank and could recapture some of the magic from 2yrs ago, when we already saw a drop in production last year.

- We lost 50 goals in our forward depth over the summer through free agency. But we hoped Lysell would progress into an NHL player. We hoped Frederic would improve on his numbers in a contract year. We hoped Zacha and Coyle would maintain the career years they had last year, even though they were both going to play in different roles, with different linemates.

- I'm not even going to get into the goaltending moves that we completely botched......But you can definitely use the word hope there too... All I'll say is our goaltending isn't as good as it was last year, its just more expensive.

- and then we take what remaining cap space we had, and instead of mitigating some of the risk called out above, we sign a bottom pair defenseman (going to his 6th team in 10yrs) to improve our D corps. Which was 5th in the league last year. I'm still waiting for a reasonable explanation on that one.

We relied on a lot of hope, in order for this team to be AS GOOD as last year's. That's what bad GMs on bad teams do....
 
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Outstanding job, you really hit on a lot, I am not saying I agree with everything you put out and I am sure there will be many with other opinions. Your post should be discussed, and not torn apart there is a lot there. ..........good job, but I am worried about this team.

There is plenty to debate in the 2nd half of the post no doubt. But sadly the first half about the projected goal scoring numbers the rest of the way I think is a fairly safe bet. This is a bottom-tier offensive team.
 

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Thinking about it this morning, I was curious as to why I felt like "I've seen this before" when watching the game. It hit me after a night's sleep: it was like watching Sharks vs Ducks any time over the past few seasons, or any two lower tier clubs playing each other.

What is the worst about it all is that I have never seen (that I recall, anyway) a team where so many of the players are all having a bad stretch at the same time. McAvoy, Pasta, Brad, Zacha, Coyle, Frederic, Carlo, Geekie, Poitras, Hampus, Lohrei, Elias (maybe he gets a pass as a new guy and he hasn't been godawful). That's your core plus several key supporting players.

They have more players underperforming or being flat out terrible than they do guys who are being just average to good. 4th line, Peeke, Zado, Brazeau, the goalies. Your mileage may very from player to player, but it's a weird situation.

What can they do? I have to think we will first see a roster move- a callup, or signing of Johnson, and if things don't turn around in the next two weeks or so, Monty probably heading for the sack bin, and at that point, what? A major trade of some sort?
 
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Posting standings 10 games in is akin to people posting daily polls that swing wildly over days/weeks. Standings are the last thing anyone should be concerned with. They need to make obvious changes to right the ship.

This strip Marchand of the C is straigt up agenda driven bs.

I could pick out numerous players but the one that really grings my gears is Loheri. He is an absolute mess right now. A complete liability. Not sure benching him or sending him to Providence is the right solution but they gotta figure out how to get the yips out of his game.

If people want to fire Monty, fine. Promote Sacco and keep Kelly and Leach as assistants. Maybe bring in McQuaid since I don't think you should touch the Providence couch (I don't want to butcher his name).

We have plenty of time to turn it around and I really hope as irritating as they have been, fans just stay the course.
 

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Someone had mentioned earlier here about the loss of personnel not being replaced adds up.

Not only from a pure points perspective but the area they contribute in.

Bergeron - perfection
Krejci - PP, creating offense
Hall - tremendous speed and neutral zone transition
Debrusk - tremendous speed and neutral zone transition, PK
Gryz - despite his glaring weakness, tremendous puck transition


These may not directly correlate with less goals but it all contributes to this plodding, dull system Montgomery has this version of the Bruins settled into.

Again, that is directly on coaching to me. Change the system and mimic a Florida simple style of effort and physicality. Goals may or may not result but the team will be more effective and entertaining.
 
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Outstanding job, you really hit on a lot, I am not saying I agree with everything you put out and I am sure there will be many with other opinions. Your post should be discussed, and not torn apart there is a lot there. ..........good job, but I am worried about this team.
@BruinDust always has spot on posts
 

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Posting standings 10 games in is akin to people posting daily polls that swing wildly over days/weeks. Standings are the last thing anyone should be concerned with. They need to make obvious changes to right the ship.

This strip Marchand of the C is straigt up agenda driven bs.

I could pick out numerous players but the one that really grings my gears is Loheri. He is an absolute mess right now. A complete liability. Not sure benching him or sending him to Providence is the right solution but they gotta figure out how to get the yips out of his game.

If people want to fire Monty, fine. Promote Sacco and keep Kelly and Leach as assistants. Maybe bring in McQuaid since I don't think you should touch the Providence couch (I don't want to butcher his name).

We have plenty of time to turn it around and I really hope as irritating as they have been, fans just stay the course.

To be fair, it isn't so much about the standings: it's how that has happened. They should be 6-3-1 or 7-2-1 based on how the teams they have played have looked. They could more likely be 2-7-1 based on how they've looked. Agree stripping Brad is silly and isn't going to happen, but as Captain, he needs to take the lead about playing simpler, straight ahead, put the puck on the net and go in after it type of hockey, not the finesse bullshit they always try that rarely works.
 
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The issue is the system the Bruins play or are trying to play doesn't work. Montgomery's system is dependent on passing and scoring, which this roster isn't built for. When players like Geekie think they are snipers, there's a problem. They need to crash the net and play around it. The whole team should watch how the 4th line has been scoring goals this season.

PP is also horrendous. They should go with Lohrei, McAvoy, Pastrnak, Lindholm, and Marchand on the PP. Teams know how to cover the PP when it's the same one being used for the past 5 years. The lack of movement on the PP and them standing around is not going to open the seams/passing lanes and get the looks they want.

Defense needs to start pushing pace and skating the puck out of their own zone. These passes from D-zone to the offensive line aren't going to cut it in today's NHL, especially when the forwards aren't fast.
I can't help feeling that if they can get the D going the team will follow.

I expected better from their defense.
 
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Are we really THAT much of a different team than last year? We lost Heinen and Debrusk, gained Lindholm, Zadorov and an efficient 4th line.

I think there's more a problem with the middle 6 producing next to nothing. They were pretty much all on the team last year? Coyle, Zacha, Frederic, Geekie etc.
 
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To be fair, it isn't so much about the standings: it's how that has happened. They should be 6-3-1 or 7-2-1 based on how the teams they have played have looked. They could more likely be 2-7-1 based on how they've looked. Agree stripping Brad is silly and isn't going to happen, but as Captain, he needs to take the lead about playing simpler, straight ahead, put the puck on the net and go in after it type of hockey, not the finesse bullshit they always try that rarely works.
They have 2 regulation wins and 27 goals for, both worst in the division. That's the alarming part. They needed gimmick hockey to get another two wins and a loser point.
 
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I can't help feeling the if they can get the D going the team will follow.

I expected better from their defense.

I agree they are better than they are playing and the zone exits and transitions are particularly brutal. That said, I don't know how the D getting going will help the wretched power play, the offline passes, bobbled pucks, missed nets, trying to pass through too much traffic, looking for the perfect tap in goal, not getting to the puck on the forecheck (outside the 4th line).
 

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To be fair, it isn't so much about the standings: it's how that has happened. They should be 6-3-1 or 7-2-1 based on how the teams they have played have looked. They could more likely be 2-7-1 based on how they've looked. Agree stripping Brad is silly and isn't going to happen, but as Captain, he needs to take the lead about playing simpler, straight ahead, put the puck on the net and go in after it type of hockey, not the finesse bullshit they always try that rarely works.
I am so sick of numbers right now and while I get why @Fenway posted it, I just feel like watching the standings is only going to drive people crazy especially after 10 games
 

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