Confirmed with Link: Gaborik (with 50% Retained) to Kings for Frattin, 2nd, and conditional 3rd
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Crede777
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A 2nd and maybe a 3rd is not nothing.
Ok the Dispatch was wrong (and they just updated it). That's better, but still not great.
You're rolling the dice at a critical point in perhaps the most pivotol season in franchise history for a 2nd round pick and Matt Frattin? Not worth, in my opinion. Just keep things status quo if you can't get a move that makes us better immediately. That's not to say he's a major part of the success, but if we saw Comeau leaving for a 5th or something I'd be saying the same thing. This trade doesn't help us right now and as such it's a bad move.
Also freed up some cap space for another move. I'm going to give it another hour before I decide if this was a good move or not.
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This is a good post and gets to the crux of the matter. I disagree and would have taken the 20+ games of Gaborik, but whatever.
Maybe to you, but not to me. It is all about a process. Our organization continues to build toward being a very good team. We won't be there until players like Johansen are in their prime (or at least closer to it).
ca5150
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and only had 3 shots on goal...a "world class sniper" should have 4-5 shots a game minimum
Fair enough. Not everyone is going to agree. It is just how mad people are and some of the reasons they are giving.
To each their own. I've followed this team for 13 years and have seen ZERO playoff wins. There is no moral victories for me anymore, its playoffs or bust.
This is what I don't get. How are we rolling the dice when we are basically just going back to the team we have been for almost the entire year?
And you've said this 15,000 times. And I'll give you the same response everyone has given you, you can't always build towards next year. I think this may actually be the first trade deadline we've ever been in playoff position for (I remember in 09 we caught fire in late march). So naturally, we give a good piece away for mostly picks.
Kekalainen apparently didn't get the memo we don't totally suck anymore.
Return seems fine. His injury situation and cap hit helped contribute to what appears to be a lesser return.
Let's see if we flip that cap space into something else.
I think there's some people overreacting. We're still 45 minutes away from the deadline. Wait until then before you go nuts.
We are not a better team than we were an hour ago. Then again we've got a good record without him in the lineup the last two seasons. Other teams around us have, potentially, improved. To this point, we're relying on what is in the room.
Let's see if we flip that cap space into something else.
I think there's some people overreacting. We're still 45 minutes away from the deadline. Wait until then before you go nuts.
We are not a better team than we were an hour ago. Then again we've got a good record without him in the lineup the last two seasons. Other teams around us have, potentially, improved. To this point, we're relying on what is in the room.
CBJSlash
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I was hoping for a first, but whatever.
At least this sends a message as an organization... If you don't bring it in a way that helps the team win, then it doesn't matter what your name is -- you could be moved. Regardless if you want to be here or not.
I doubt Frattin sees the ice over Tropp or Comeau. Boll will be back soon and they think Skille should be playing. This is clearly the most confusing piece of this deal.
At least this sends a message as an organization... If you don't bring it in a way that helps the team win, then it doesn't matter what your name is -- you could be moved. Regardless if you want to be here or not.
I doubt Frattin sees the ice over Tropp or Comeau. Boll will be back soon and they think Skille should be playing. This is clearly the most confusing piece of this deal.
Because that team has been struggling just to keep its head above water. The point in trading the asset is to get better, we didnt get better
We could have gotten a crappy conditional pick just for dealing his negotiating rights in the summer. I see no way to paint this as a positive unless we get Vanek in 20 minutes. Bring back Howson.
The Blues somehow managed to improve drastically (even though they were already elite) as soon as JD and Jarmo left. All the success the Jackets have had is due to Scott Howson's "bricks" not the current front offices. Here's the scorecard so far.
Howson
Todd Richards, Ryan Johansen, Ryan Murray, Jack Johnson, James "sleeper Norris candidate" Wisniewski, Brandon Dubinsky, Artem Ansimov, Sergei Bobrovsky, Cam Atkinson, Nick Foligno, Nikita Nikita, Fedor
Tyutin, Boone Jenner
JD/Jarmo
Blake Comeau, Jack Skille, Matt Frattin, Corey Tropp, an awful Jared Boll contract extension, Illari Melart, Curtis McElhinney, Jody Shelley between the glass, 1 year of Marian Gaborik, exiling the classiest vet the team had in Vinny Prospal, NICK SHULTZ, and a massive UFA deal for a thus far underwhelming Nathan Horton.
For all the talk of the brick by brick approach, aside from hopefully Wennberg, JD and Jarmo haven't brought a single useful brick to the foundation unless they are trying to build a children's treehouse out of NHL fourth line grinders.
The Blues somehow managed to improve drastically (even though they were already elite) as soon as JD and Jarmo left. All the success the Jackets have had is due to Scott Howson's "bricks" not the current front offices. Here's the scorecard so far.
Howson
Todd Richards, Ryan Johansen, Ryan Murray, Jack Johnson, James "sleeper Norris candidate" Wisniewski, Brandon Dubinsky, Artem Ansimov, Sergei Bobrovsky, Cam Atkinson, Nick Foligno, Nikita Nikita, Fedor
Tyutin, Boone JennerJD/Jarmo
Blake Comeau, Jack Skille, Matt Frattin, Corey Tropp, an awful Jared Boll contract extension, Illari Melart, Curtis McElhinney, Jody Shelley between the glass, 1 year of Marian Gaborik, exiling the classiest vet the team had in Vinny Prospal, NICK SHULTZ, and a massive UFA deal for a thus far underwhelming Nathan Horton.
For all the talk of the brick by brick approach, aside from hopefully Wennberg, JD and Jarmo haven't brought a single useful brick to the foundation unless they are trying to build a children's treehouse out of NHL fourth line grinders.
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And exactly how long has Jarmo had to equal what Howson did?We could have gotten a crappy conditional pick just for dealing his negotiating rights in the summer. I see no way to paint this as a positive unless we get Vanek in 20 minutes. Bring back Howson.
The Blues somehow managed to improve drastically (even though they were already elite) as soon as JD and Jarmo left. All the success the Jackets have had is due to Scott Howson's "bricks" not the current front offices. Here's the scorecard so far.
Howson
Todd Richards, Ryan Johansen, Ryan Murray, Jack Johnson, James "sleeper Norris candidate" Wisniewski, Brandon Dubinsky, Artem Ansimov, Sergei Bobrovsky, Cam Atkinson, Nick Foligno, Nikita Nikita, Fedor
JD/Jarmo
Blake Comeau, Jack Skille, Matt Frattin, Corey Tropp, an awful Jared Boll contract extension, Illari Melart, Curtis McElhinney, Jody Shelley between the glass, 1 year of Marian Gaborik, exiling the classiest vet the team had in Vinny Prospal, and a massive UFA deal for a thus far underwhelming Nathan Horton.
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No offense but that depends on you definition of suck. Does anybody really think that in a 7 game series we have a chance against the pens, bruins, or any of the top teams in the westm The goal isn't to make the playoffs, it's to win cups and as much as we want to be the team isn't there yet.
This is ridiculous. Of course the goal for the CBJ for this season is to make the playoffs. After a season or two of making the playoffs and perhaps winning a playoff game or (dare I say it?) a playoff series the CBJ can start talking about winning the Stanley Cup as the goal.
A playoff series against the bruins or pens would be huge for the development and experience of guys like Jenner Murray, and Johansen
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