TSN: Gaborik, Delisle, Parlett to CBJ for Brassard, Dorsett, Moore and 6th Round Pick

[major major]

I enjoy this article. Start off by basically parroting the same "Howson is a bumbling fool" line so popular around here (although slightly more subdued), then has to concede that "(Brassard) can be replaced internally as the club has a number of similar pivots" and "defense is the team's greatest organizational strength both on the current roster and in the prospect pool".

I don't think the article says much at all about Howson. The only thing it mentioned him being criticized for was his daring move to get Carter/Wiz in 2011, which was his most uncharacteristic set of moves.

Most histories of the Jackets written by outsiders (and this article is no exception) tend to get things wrong, so I just skip past that stuff.

 

[CBJx614]

I wonder what affect Gaborik is having on some of the younger players such as Cam, Calvert and Johansen. I mean its not that they arent used to playing against a player of his talent, but they only had a little time with Nash and im pretty sure at that point Nash was "shut off". Atkinson and Calvert both already get a lot of shots towards the net, I just wonder if being around Marion will elevate their level of play.

 

[CapnCornelius]

So the fact we have a bunch of guys like Brassard is a testament to XGMSH's team building prowess or is it that none of them are very good?
and as to the D, well I guess something has to be the greatest and since our offense is non-existent, I'm guessing D is a good candidate.


See, two ways of looking at it.

Yup.

The fact that the vast majority of Howson and Doug's #1 picks are gone says a lot as well.

Another 7 years and we could have finally had organizational depth at all positions.

 

[NotWendell]

Yup.

The fact that the vast majority of Howson and Doug's #1 picks are gone says a lot as well.

Another 7 years and we could have finally had organizational depth at all positions.

And these aren't just first rounders, these are HIGH first rounders.

 

[major major]

And these aren't just first rounders, these are HIGH first rounders.

Since we've had these conversations before, there is no need to remind you of the vast difference in quality between a HIGH 6th overall pick and a HIGH 2nd overall pick. I just looked through the 6th overall picks from the last twenty years, and Brassard is actually one of the better players of that group.

 

[Inferno]

I've seen it posted a few times that the Rangers moved Gaborik and it helped immensely with their "cap" situation (I'm paraphrasing). I'm having a tough time following that logic. In the deal, they saved $1.7MM in cap money which is the equivalent to one(1) 3rd line player or possibly an entry level contract cap hit. I must be missing something. They have 17 players signed next year and approximately $14MM in cap space ($2.8MM/player if they sign 5 guys)

I guess adding the 3 NHL players to one eliminates the need to sign more players in the off season but if they truly want to re-sign Clowe (UFA), Stepan, Hagelin, Zuccarello and McDonagh(all RFA), they're going to need every penny of that just to fit them all in next year.

The following year they have to deal with Brassard, Moore, Callahan, Lundquist, Del Zotto, Girardi and Stralman(probably let go). There are other UFA's to come off the books but if they were to re-sign the 5 players from this year that leaves them at likely $35MM for 10 players and some big talent to sign. Rangers have some work to do in the next two years. Granted they appear to have a lot of solid assets that could return some picks and players that are likely cheaper....

Just find it interesting that Gaborik appears to be the cap linchpin for some fans and I just don't see it given their roster set up.... Oh well, not for me to worry about. Trade works both ways and I'm only worried about Gabo"Brick" going forward.

We couldn't fit Clowe and Gabby unfortunately, so bringing him in was the end for Gabby...Rangers are gonna re-sign Clowe.

The cap savings is across 3 roster spots, not 1.

So if its 1.7mill saved across 1 player, add in 2 roster spots, and it's likely a total of 4 or 5 mil saved.

Compare 3 spots to 3 spots, not 1 to 3.

Bringing in the guys that we did likely spells the end of Pyatt's term in NY, and probably Asham as well. those 2 guys get about 2.5mil total. 2.5+1.7=4.2 mil savings. that's the cap flexibility we got.

 

[VandyBuck]

Interesting...looks like it was Gabby with Stafford as a backup plan.

http://kuklaskorner.com/tso/comments/two-sabres-trade-offers-that-were-rejected

 

[DJA]

Interesting...looks like it was Gabby with Stafford as a backup plan.

http://kuklaskorner.com/tso/comments/two-sabres-trade-offers-that-were-rejected

Praise jeebus we didn't give up a first for Stafford. Yikes.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Interesting...looks like it was Gabby with Stafford as a backup plan.

http://kuklaskorner.com/tso/comments/two-sabres-trade-offers-that-were-rejected

27 years old, career high of 52 points, and has finished above 20 goals in a season once in his career.

What could have possibly gone wrong?

 

[blahblah]

27 years old, career high of 52 points, and has finished above 20 goals in a season once in his career.

What could have possibly gone wrong?

Indeed. It would have been like getting back a more productive Brassard but in the form of a natural winger. He would have fit in nicely with the strategy that Howson started.

I do like how you cut that off at over 20 goals, since he scored 20 goals twice in his career. They generally say "20 goal scorer, not 21 goal scorer. I think what you were looking to say is that "He's been a 20 goal scorer 3 of the last 4 seasons.".

I would be surprised if we were willing to come off a 1st, unless the rest of the return made it more tolerable.

He's more of the same actually, so not sure why we would have been that interested in him at much of a cost.

 

[Xoggz22]

We couldn't fit Clowe and Gabby unfortunately, so bringing him in was the end for Gabby...Rangers are gonna re-sign Clowe.

The cap savings is across 3 roster spots, not 1.

So if its 1.7mill saved across 1 player, add in 2 roster spots, and it's likely a total of 4 or 5 mil saved.

Compare 3 spots to 3 spots, not 1 to 3.

Bringing in the guys that we did likely spells the end of Pyatt's term in NY, and probably Asham as well. those 2 guys get about 2.5mil total. 2.5+1.7=4.2 mil savings. that's the cap flexibility we got.

Yes, I see that and agree. I still think the Rangers are in for trouble the next 2 years given most of their up and coming core will need to be re-signed. Signing Clowe will be their next mistake. He'll command $5MM for 4-5 years min with a Cap coming down by 10% next year. I think the Gaborik deal was a good one but the implications won't really be known until after next year when players need to be signed from this trade.

 

[NotWendell]

Since we've had these conversations before, there is no need to remind you of the vast difference in quality between a HIGH 6th overall pick and a HIGH 2nd overall pick. I just looked through the 6th overall picks from the last twenty years, and Brassard is actually one of the better players of that group.

I think that's fair. By the same logic, a 6th overall should have a higher degree of success than a 20th overall.

 

[blahblah]

Signing Clowe will be their next mistake. He'll command $5MM for 4-5 years min with a Cap coming down by 10% next year.

I just about choked when I read that. We'll see, but I thinking more around the 4 area. If someone wants to give this guy 20-25 million in FA, the Rangers need to let them.

Ultimately you pay more for goal scoring. Clowe isn't a goal scorer and he plays wing. They are easier to find.

 

[NotWendell]

Praise jeebus we didn't give up a first for Stafford. Yikes.

Would you have been on board with besting Minny's offer for Pominville?

 

[blahblah]

Would you have been on board with besting Minny's offer for Pominville?

I can't speak for DJA, but I wouldn't have been.

 

[Nordique]

Would you have been on board with besting Minny's offer for Pominville?

I like the move we made more than any of the apparent alternatives. I'll qualify that by saying I'll really miss Dorsett, Brassard too though not as much, and Moore's potential is notable, but I believe Gaborik is a difference maker and the near future got alot brighter imo.

 

[Crede777]

I like the move we made more than any of the apparent alternatives. I'll qualify that by saying I'll really miss Dorsett, Brassard too though not as much, and Moore's potential is notable, but I believe Gaborik is a difference maker and the near future got alot brighter imo.

While his speed looks fine, his shot troubles me. Instead of a nice, crisp snap shot for his wrister he's pushing the puck. He isn't getting that turnover of the stick when he shoots. Instead he kind of shuffleboards the puck to the net. That greatly hinders accuracy.

Hopefully they can figure out if anything is wrong with Gaborik's health and, if so, fix it.

 

[db2011]

While his speed looks fine, his shot troubles me. Instead of a nice, crisp snap shot for his wrister he's pushing the puck. He isn't getting that turnover of the stick when he shoots. Instead he kind of shuffleboards the puck to the net. That greatly hinders accuracy.

Hopefully they can figure out if anything is wrong with Gaborik's health and, if so, fix it.

Well, he had rotator cuff surgery and then played a compressed schedule. I'm hoping an offseason will do him well.

 

[EspenK]

And these aren't just first rounders, these are HIGH first rounders.

Since we've had these conversations before, there is no need to remind you of the vast difference in quality between a HIGH 6th overall pick and a HIGH 2nd overall pick. I just looked through the 6th overall picks from the last twenty years, and Brassard is actually one of the better players of that group.

I think that's fair. By the same logic, a 6th overall should have a higher degree of success than a 20th overall.

I think a lot of this has to do with the BPA theory which to me is a bunch of mularkey. A team should be drafting the player they think is the best and who can help them the most. Case in point, scouts wanted Kopitar who I believe was rated 4-6 spots behind Brule but MacLean had his Hockey News and it said Brule was better. So Brule became a bust at 6 and Kopitar is doing quite nicely from the 11th spot. Hopefully we wind up with the 11th pick this year.

 

[ca5150]

After last night, I want Dorse back, Euros float in the tight checking, hard hitting games and are invisible most of the time in the playoffs. See Huselious and Vyborny amongst 100's of other examples...He is a 7.5 million floater who cherry picks for the break away and skates half speed back in his own zone. That's my impression of him so far. I would rather have Dorse hit everything in site, challenge the other team, chirp the other team and get under their skin and most importantly, standing up for his teammates and keeping the other team from running around like St. Louis and Minn just did to us. That's far more impactful than 25 goals, which is my guess for how many goals Gaborik will score next season!

 

[NotWendell]

After last night, I want Dorse back, Euros float in the tight checking, hard hitting games and are invisible most of the time in the playoffs. See Huselious and Vyborny amongst 100's of other examples...He is a 7.5 million floater who cherry picks for the break away and skates half speed back in his own zone. That's my impression of him so far. I would rather have Dorse hit everything in site, challenge the other team, chirp the other team and get under their skin and most importantly, standing up for his teammates and keeping the other team from running around like St. Louis and Minn just did to us. That's far more impactful than 25 goals, which is my guess for how many goals Gaborik will score next season!

You can have both. Boone Jenner will most likely make the club next season.

 

[ConoR187]

After last night, I want Dorse back, Euros float in the tight checking, hard hitting games and are invisible most of the time in the playoffs. See Huselious and Vyborny amongst 100's of other examples...He is a 7.5 million floater who cherry picks for the break away and skates half speed back in his own zone. That's my impression of him so far. I would rather have Dorse hit everything in site, challenge the other team, chirp the other team and get under their skin and most importantly, standing up for his teammates and keeping the other team from running around like St. Louis and Minn just did to us. That's far more impactful than 25 goals, which is my guess for how many goals Gaborik will score next season!

dont agree about having dorse over him, but that is my observation also

 

[ca5150]

You can have both. Boone Jenner will most likely make the club next season.

While I am really looking forward to Boone, I'm not sure he's going to be the fighter Dorse is, but I sure hope so! We desperately need that in our lineup, the best games we have had over the last 5 years have been games where we had a couple dustups

 

[CBJx614]

While I am really looking forward to Boone, I'm not sure he's going to be the fighter Dorse is, but I sure hope so! We desperately need that in our lineup, the best games we have had over the last 5 years have been games where we had a couple dustups

While he wont fight, he'll hit everything in sight. Fight for every inch on the ice, in every battle. This kid gives is 110% every shift.

 

[NotWendell]

While I am really looking forward to Boone, I'm not sure he's going to be the fighter Dorse is, but I sure hope so! We desperately need that in our lineup, the best games we have had over the last 5 years have been games where we had a couple dustups

We have Jared Boll as the fighter (who has been MUCH more effective this year BTW). How many fighters do we need on the roster?