TSN: Gaborik, Delisle, Parlett to CBJ for Brassard, Dorsett, Moore and 6th Round Pick

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EspenK

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To be honest, I don't think Clowe, Brassard, and Moore have seen this much open ice all season in the West.

and therein lies the difference between conferences. It is like OSU (prior to Urban renewal) going to the SEC.
 

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Losing Dorsett is tough to swallow, Losing Moore hurts a bit less (I think the worst of it is because he still has good potential). But when you look at this deal for the stretch run this season, with Dorse out and Moore looked to be pinched out of the lineup, it was basically Brass and and a 6th rounder for Gaborik.

I have mixed feelings on this deal most of all. Brassard did seem to be an odd man out here and for the crap that he's been rumored to have been involved in the last few seasons (being a ringleader of the "quitting" on coaches movement), I have very little problem with him being moved. How long do you think before he tries to do this under Torterella?

I will say that if Gaborik comes in energized and plays hard the rest of this season, and gives us 25-30 goals next season (He's potted more on Wild teams that were arguably less talented upfront), I don't see how this isn't a win.


Welcome back, Steven Deslisle, I guess.

The biggest win this day was because no first rounders were sacrificed.
 
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Quotes from SNYBlog....

Gaborik interview:
Surprised?: “I was surprised. I heard rumors here and there but didn’t try to focus on it. I can’t control what the team is doing. It’s a new challenge and I am looking forward to it.
Did you hesitate waiving the no-trade?: “I had some time to think about it, I talked to John Davidson and I decided that it’s a new challenge. I enjoyed my time in NY, but when someone wants you and someone tries to trade you, it’s good that someone actually wants you on the team. It seems like they are going to have a good team down the road and I look forward to it.â€
What has gone wrong? “I don’t know. It’s just that we weren’t playing consistent enough. We had a great team on paper, but we couldn’t execute on the ice. The power play hasn’t been great. It’s a few factors there.â€

Gaborik tweet:
"Wanted to thank Rangers,my teammates and great fans in NY for almost 4years in NYC. Had an awesome time.. New challenge ahead of me in CBJ!"

Tortella presser:
Tortorella said that the trade gives the team some depth and, “it allows us to put our kids where they should be and have them develop the proper way and not in this mess.†Apparently they were Brulaying some kids.


"SI Pierre McGuire noted that one of Glen Sather’s closest friends in hockey is former Columbus GM Scott Howson. He said that he wouldn’t be surprised if Sather called Howson and asked about the players the Rangers got today."
 

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The biggest win this day was because no first rounders were sacrificed.
Definately the most important thing and still added major scoring threat plus released some salary. Lost some depth in the process but added some too. Hopefully these trades just doesn't mess up the team chemistry.
 

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I actually believe - and hope - this trade was good for both teams. Columbus lacked top end talent and the Rangers lacked depth.

I think you already know by now what kind of player you get in Gaborik. His positives are:
* He still has speed, although not as much explosiveness as seen before he hit 30. When he gets his legs going is when he's at his best. It's when he starts thinking and hesitates he becomes so invisible.
* He has a respectable snap shot, no player scores multiple 40 goal seasons if he didn't. It has lost a notch after his shoulder injury, but it's not exactly a flubber either. Give him an off-season of conditioning and he should be fine.

The problems with Gaborik is, he's not much of a game changer if he doesn't score, which makes him streaky. He can easily become invisible if he doesn't have teammates who can give him the puck in good areas. He's not good at deking and will almost never beat his guy one-on-one. When he's on, he's ON and can single handedly win games. When he's off, he needs support from his teammates more than ever. But even then, the name on his back brings defensive attention and opens up some ice. This is very important.

If he could be allowed to cherry pick a little bit, I think he would be alot more effective than he ever was in New York, he's at his best on the rush. I haven't watched much CBJ hockey, so I can only say, if you have an effective breakout, Gaborik will be effective.

Brassard coming to New York was probably a good fit for him. He's used to a defensive minded, forechecking kind of hockey. He was brought in to add scoring depth and stir things up on the PP, not to fill a top 6 role. So NYR will be absolutely fine with Brassard not playing as a top 2 center (Stepan and Richards will take care of that). Our entire bottom 6 has been an offensive black hole the entire season, so Brassard can basically not make things worse, only bring in more positives to the team. In one game he basically triumphed what our entire 4th line has produced in 30 games. :laugh:

As a smooth player such as Brassard who can fill a role, I would love coming into a situation like that. If he plays well, Torts is a coach who always rewards good play with more minutes.

The situation is the same for Moore. It'll be hard for him to make things worse. NYR has struggled to fill the #6 spot for a long time now, failing with Hamrlik, Gilroy, Bickel, etc. He's big, mobile and is a decent passer, he's welcomed with opened arms to fill a hole and doesn't have to feel uncomfortable in a bigger role than he can handle.

Dorsett is also a player the Rangers lacked. We lost guys like Brandon Prust. Now Dorsett can step in and is even better than Prust. I can understand you will sincerely miss a guy like that, they bring so much to a team. Our bottom 6 looks much better with guys like Brassard and Dorsett playing.

It'll be weird playing you guys next season in the same conference, but you're an eastern team more than a western, so it's only logical. So many ex-Rangers and ex-Columbus players on our respective teams, it'll be special playing you guys.
 
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Looking forward to seeing how Gabby does for you guys tonight. Really wish him well, I hate the fact that he was Tortorella's scapegoat in NY.
 

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Definately the most important thing and still added major scoring threat plus released some salary. Lost some depth in the process but added some too. Hopefully these trades just doesn't mess up the team chemistry.

The Leighton and Comeau moves shouldn't. The Gaborik move has the potential to, but it sounds like he's all in, we will need that attitude from him.
 

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I actually believe - and hope - this trade was good for both teams. Columbus lacked top end talent and the Rangers lacked depth.

I think you already know by now what kind of player you get in Gaborik. His positives are:
* He still has speed, although not as much explosiveness as seen before he hit 30. When he gets his legs going is when he's at his best. It's when he starts thinking and hesitates he becomes so invisible.
* He has a respectable snap shot, no player scores multiple 40 goal seasons if he didn't. It has lost a notch after his shoulder injury, but it's not exactly a flubber either. Give him an off-season of conditioning and he should be fine.

The problems with Gaborik is, he's not much of a game changer if he doesn't score, which makes him streaky. He can easily become invisible if he doesn't have teammates who can give him the puck in good areas. He's not good at deking and will almost never beat his guy one-on-one. When he's on, he's ON and can single handedly win games. When he's off, he needs support from his teammates more than ever. But even then, the name on his back brings defensive attention and opens up some ice. This is very important.

If he could be allowed to cherry pick a little bit, I think he would be alot more effective than he ever was in New York, he's at his best on the rush. I haven't watched much CBJ hockey, so I can only say, if you have an effective breakout, Gaborik will be effective.

Brassard coming to New York was probably a good fit for him. He's used to a defensive minded, forechecking kind of hockey. He was brought in to add scoring depth and stir things up on the PP, not to fill a top 6 role. So NYR will be absolutely fine with Brassard not playing as a top 2 center (Stepan and Richards will take care of that). Our entire bottom 6 has been an offensive black hole the entire season, so Brassard can basically not make things worse, only bring in more positives to the team. As a sneaky player such as Brassard who can fill a role, I would love coming into a situation like that.

The situation is the same for Moore. It'll be hard for him to make things worse. NYR has struggled to fill the #6 spot for a long time now, failing with Hamrlik, Gilroy, Bickel, etc. He's big, mobile and is a decent passer, he's welcomed with opened arms to fill a hole and doesn't have to feel uncomfortable in a bigger role than he can handle.

Dorsett is also a player the Rangers lacked. We lost guys like Brandon Prust. Now Dorsett can step in and is even better than Prust. I can understand you will sincerely miss a guy like that, they bring so much to a team.

It'll be weird playing you guys next season in the same conference, but you're an eastern team more than a western, so it's only logical. So many ex-Rangers and ex-Columbus players on our respective teams, it'll be special playing you guys.

Very nice summary of the trade. I think it does help both teams.

I really got a kick out of watching Brass last night. He isn't going to get 4 points a game very often, but it was fun to watch. I think he does go into a situation where he fits in nicely.

For us Jackets fans, for me at least, the biggest winners were us, the fans. We were shown that our new management is willing to make bold moves to help the team, and were shown that they will do it in a smart way. They made moves to try and help us win now, while maintaining the core, and maintaining the future. We lost one prospect, that most will agree was redundant, and kept all three of our first round draft picks.

Quite frankly, imho, JD, and JK pulled off a huge coup. Other than the Pens, and maybe St. Louis, I thought they did the best job this season at the deadline.
 

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It's tough (IMO) to imagine the CBJ winning this deal long term.
Gabby is signed for one year. If he leaves (and again we'll have to wait 12-13 months to see what happens) we gave up quite a bit with a d-man like Moore. Also even though Dorsett is very replaceable on the ice, he was the leader of the younger (maybe not the younger guys anymore, I still think of them back in playoff year) players and will be interesting to see what happens without him in the room. Maybe nothing, but can't discount that. Brassard likely needed a change of scenery (like Mason). I still don't forgive him for being one of the first to quit on Hitch, but he did have talent.
I'm making an assumption but I don't think we make the playoffs this year even with the trade. Hope I'm wrong (and if they do learn to win on the road then it's worth it). Us giving up Brassard and Moore helps the Rangers this year and may help them secure a playoff spot (hurts us with lottery).
So if it takes away chances for a lottery pick, and turns into a 1 year rental for Gabby then I think we'll look back and be disappointed on what we gave up (mainly Moore but maybe Brassard too).
I'm ready to give Gabby every opportunity - great offensive skill, but I worry about how adding a player like him does to the chemistry. He's not going to play D very consistently, and if others see him cherry picking then it's tought to keep that defensive first thinking going. Throw in the loss of Dorsett's leadership and we'll have to watch the younger guys to see if any of them decide to play Gabby's way, instead of the CBJ way.
 

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It's tough (IMO) to imagine the CBJ winning this deal long term.
Gabby is signed for one year. If he leaves (and again we'll have to wait 12-13 months to see what happens) we gave up quite a bit with a d-man like Moore.

You're right theres some risk. But according to Kekäläinen's talks, theres obviousely a solid chance that he stays in Jackets after next year. But ofcourse without deal the risk is there.

How ever if these trades can economicly help you guys. Someone said that hockey fans already buy maxium amount of tickets, and gabby wont do any change because he isn't corsby or something like that. Personally I would disagree, Im big hockey fan but I dont buy that much tickets, I def. would if KalPa bought some good player (in relation on the level of the league).

Also if these changes can lift you up to playoffs, or even get you play more games in there that you would've without, it makes money for the team. Isn't one NHL game doing average 0,5 - 1M USD market exhange from ticket sales for the teams, depending are they sold out teams or not? Playoff games might have higher ticket prices and more intrest, and getting to them would benefit the team at least million or couple or more. Of course its always hard to compare how you do and how you would've done without, but I think gabby will boost team like jackets and can help you to get into playoffs already this year. It would help marketing the team in the future too and Gaborik alone doesn't hurt doing that. Hes that kind of player and product who can alone be worth of millions.
 
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The only thing I will miss from Moore is the potential. He was still a first rounder. But he was squeezed out by guys with similar talents (Top Notch Skating: Erixon and Murray next season) and by guys that charged in to try and supplant him: Prout and to a lesser extent, Goloubef.

We have a glut of defenseman, a few are likely to be moved still too.

Dorsett hurts, he's been a guy you can never say "took the night off", emotionally. But his example helped serve as the beacon for culture change. Good Luck in NY, Dorse.

A lot of us said at the beginning of the season, even before Jarmo was hired and Howson canned that Brass and Mase didn't seem like the type of players you move forward with as intergal parts of a winning team.

Everyone who's saying that Scott Howson doesn't make this deal, I agree (Howson had a fixation on Brass becoming something he never will here, it went on far too long and Moore was a recent first round pick of his and I think he'd be gunshy about trading Dorse, especially to a divisional rival next season). This was an extremely bold move here, perhaps one of the boldest moves in this organizations history.
 

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If Gaborik is on his game, you'll love him...his stats are weak this year, but he has been playing well the last few games. Been snakebitten. I think he could have a huge bounceback season next year, and even heat up down the stretch with the trade. He works best when his teammates create space for him, and Columbus is a hard working team that creates space, much like the 11-12 Rangers. He had great success with Prospal in 2009-2010 as well.

What are your guy's opinion on Brassard? Interested in what kind of player he is, all I know is that he's skilled, decently productive C, and the Rangers need center depth. I know all about Dorsett, happy about getting him.

Long term I think you'll be happiest with Moore from this trade. Brassard had a great night in his debut but I don't see that as the norm. I'm a big fan of his (I have an O'Brassard game worn Jersey from St. Patrick's day a few years back if you're interested.:naughty:). Brass typically struggles in the faceoff circle and isn't physical. I don't think he necessarily avoids contact but he doesn't really engage. Improved on the forecheck but ideally not the first man in. Has amazing vision and an outstanding shot (if he used it more he would be talked about as a high end 2C maybe low end 1C in my opinion.) His shot would create hesitation in the defense which would open up the game even more. Defensively he's average at best and can disappear.

I see Brass as an above average PP guy with potential to be a 60 pt player. He'll need to shoot the puck to get there though. Expect 45-50 pts depending on where he'll sit in the lineup. You'll find yourself saying after a 5 game stretch "he should be our top line center" and then after a 10 game stretch "huh, I totally forgot about Brassard. It would be nice to get him going as he has a ton of skill".

Dorsett will thrill you with his energy and piss you off with his penalties. Skill is better than you might realize but he should never be higher than a 3rd line guy in your lineup. Moore is a smooth skater that just needs some time for the game to come together. I think he's the biggest get.

All in all, I think the CBJ could afford to move all the pieces they did and they didn't have a player of Gaborik's skill on the roster or in the system. This should work out well for both teams. I think Columbus will work hard to get Gaborik signed to an extension after the season (granted we need to see what the results and attitude/team fit are like). With the cap coming down the Rangers may continue to be in trouble if they intend to keep all three players long term. Brass's contract is not friendly heading into RFA...
 

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I have some concerns about this trade. Gaborik is slumping and getting older, and he is only signed for 1 more year. I do like the idea if getting a scoring winger for the team. My hesitation is the trading of John Moore.

Time will tell. If Gaborik resigns with the team than maybe it works out.
 

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Sorry everyone but I didn't have the time to read the entire thread. A couple of points I wanted to make on this trade that in the little I did read weren't brought up....

1) This trade actually lowered the impact on the salary cap to the CBJ next year (coupled with Mason being off the books). Between Mason, Brass, Dorse and Moore the CBJ will actually lower their cap position next year and ultimately their cash out of pocket. I realize Mason was gone anyway but this trade is a net sum gain with regards to salary and cap result.

2) Brassard will need to be signed next year as well. He'll be coming off a salary of $3.7MM (not cap hit) and if he does play well may not sign "on the cheap" which can still create issues for the Rangers as they have several young players that need signed.

3) Columbus had the depth at every position they traded from and did not have a single player like Gaborik on the team OR in the system. Trading from strength to improve a weakness.

4) I liked all three players that were moved but the defensive depth is very good, we have a team full of 2/3 tweeners and Dorse was a 3/4 guy with a ton of heart and grit. I think that opens up the potential to have a guy like Boone Jenner on the squad next year. Brass's skill will be missed - I think he was very good on the PP this year - but he wasn't going to play above Anisimov or Johansen at this point. Both appear to be capable of doing the things that Brass did. Add in that we have Dubinsky, Letestu and MacKenzie to handle center duties, our faceoff percentages will go up meaning more possession.

5) Gaborik simply needs to be the 30 goal scorer he has for years. I'll take 40 next year but 30 would dramatically improve this offense. We now have a player who is truly a 1st line RW and will help with matchups for our other players.

There is a level of sadness seeing players we liked/appreciated/had hopes for, moved but we got back something we needed. A potential game breaker who is still at a reasonable age to expect 30+ goals for another 3-5 years. He'll need to be signed but this is a benefit to both teams.

Bonus) Oh yeah, did I mention we have 3 firsts still in the upcoming draft. :D
 

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A couple of thoughts on the trade. I haven't read through all of the posts yet, so these may have already been talked about.

1 - I think Brassard will do good with the Rangers. At least at first.

2 - I don't think Moore saw the game well enough for GMJK. He can really skate, we all know that, but he doesn't seem to produce like he should with his abilities. I still expect him to be a good D for the Rangers.

3 - I have never really liked Dorsett. He takes bad penalties and this year it seemed to me that he wasn't playing smart at all.

4 - This is something I heard on TSN (I think) about Gaborik not having his usual numbers this year. Because of his surgery he wasn't able to do anything during the lockout, so he was behind other players. They said he has started skating the way he used to the last few games. Hopefully that is the case.
 

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Sorry everyone but I didn't have the time to read the entire thread. A couple of points I wanted to make on this trade that in the little I did read weren't brought up....

1) This trade actually lowered the impact on the salary cap to the CBJ next year (coupled with Mason being off the books). Between Mason, Brass, Dorse and Moore the CBJ will actually lower their cap position next year and ultimately their cash out of pocket. I realize Mason was gone anyway but this trade is a net sum gain with regards to salary and cap result.

2) Brassard will need to be signed next year as well. He'll be coming off a salary of $3.7MM (not cap hit) and if he does play well may not sign "on the cheap" which can still create issues for the Rangers as they have several young players that need signed.

3) Columbus had the depth at every position they traded from and did not have a single player like Gaborik on the team OR in the system. Trading from strength to improve a weakness.

4) I liked all three players that were moved but the defensive depth is very good, we have a team full of 2/3 tweeners and Dorse was a 3/4 guy with a ton of heart and grit. I think that opens up the potential to have a guy like Boone Jenner on the squad next year. Brass's skill will be missed - I think he was very good on the PP this year - but he wasn't going to play above Anisimov or Johansen at this point. Both appear to be capable of doing the things that Brass did. Add in that we have Dubinsky, Letestu and MacKenzie to handle center duties, our faceoff percentages will go up meaning more possession.

5) Gaborik simply needs to be the 30 goal scorer he has for years. I'll take 40 next year but 30 would dramatically improve this offense. We now have a player who is truly a 1st line RW and will help with matchups for our other players.

Bonus) Oh yeah, did I mention we have 3 firsts still in the upcoming draft. :D

Good post.
 

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This trade may turn out to be a real hockey trade that helps both teams. However, I really think the Jackets turn out winners in the long run because of their two big deals with the Rangers. I think the biggest thing this trade has done is change the culture of the dressing room and the perception of this town to other players in the league. I really think you're going to see JD and JK draw players to this town that we never thought possible.

Second, GMJK was able to improve this team by being able to acquire Gaborik, fill in holes left from the trade and was still able to keep all three first round picks. He has given himself some options for the offseason, while still giving this roster a chance to make the postseason.

I'm curious now to see what become of the three first rounders. Currently all three are between 10 and 25. I think there is a chance they could use 2 of those picks to move up and possibly get into the top five. The point is that GMJK has that option now. After the trade deadline this team looks more like a legit NHL roster than 24 hours ago.

At the beginning of the season, I was nearly regretting buying season tickets, now I'm glad that I renewed to see the continued renewal of this franchise. I'm actually excited about this team for the first time since the playoff season. I want to hear Nationwide as loud as it was during that season. This city deserves that kind of excitement and the fans will let the players know their appreciation. McConnell, you knocked one out of the park hiring JK and JD. You now have a respectable NHL franchise that will only get better from here.
 

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An offensively starved team reliant on goaltending, makes a deal for a sniper at the trade deadline, makes the playoffs as the 8th seed and goes on to win it all. That was the LA Kings last year.

We are an offensively starved team reliant on goaltending who just made a deadline deal for a sniper. What's next?

Now I'm not saying that we're going to win it all, but the Kings proved last year that if you make it in anything can happen and with the way that Bobrovsky has played who knows.

These next 2 games are HUGE. Nashville and St Louis are teams that we are in direct competition with. The playoffs begin tonight boys. Soak it up.
 
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