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GDT: G69: Bruins @ Wild 1pm CT, 7pm Sweden, 8pm Lapa (BSN)

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Spurgeon said:
How does allowing a team to challenge whether an offending team reached the red line prior to scoring, encourage icing?

I’m talking about the offending team icing the puck before fully reaching the red line, it going uncalled, and the offending team subsequently scoring.



I’m not talking about 2 line passes.
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Icing happens if the offending team doesn't beat out the icing at the other end. Not sure where you're getting the problem in you're scenario 2 line passes are legal. Not icing by rule
 
TaLoN said:
Icing happens if the offending team doesn't beat out the icing at the other end. Not sure where you're getting the problem in you're scenario 2 line passes are legal. Not icing by rule
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Talon, don't be dense. He's talking about this scenario:
Team breaks out of their defensive end. Breakout player is confronted near the red line, and chooses to dump the puck into his offensive zone.
One of his forwards is able to retrieve the puck in the ensuing board battle, and center the puck, whereupon his linemate scores.

Now, the icing is not reviewable. So, if the linesmen let the dumpin go, even if it were dumped in from the defensive side of the red line, that is NOT reviewable.

And, thus, a goal can be scored when, by rule of a line of the ice, the play was illegal.
 
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MNNumbers said:
Team breaks out of their defensive end. Breakout player is confronted near the red line, and chooses to dump the puck into his offensive zone.
One of his forwards is able to retrieve the puck in the ensuing board battle, and center the puck, whereupon his linemate scores.
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That's not icing though, so I'm still failing to see the problem
 
MNNumbers said:
It certainly is icing if he dumps in the puck from his side of the red line, and the other teams defender gets to the puck first.
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No, it gets waived off because a) the defender could've played the puck sooner but chose not to trying to get the icing call or b) because the offensive player beat the defensive player down the ice despite the defensive player being closer to the puck.

Either way, the purpose of the icing rule is to prevent icing the puck as a tactic instead of playing defense in your own zone to begin with. Icing was not created to prevent the events of the scenario here in particular.

As I said, a review can't defeat the purpose of the rule.
 
TaLoN said:
No, it gets waived off because a) the defender could've played the puck sooner but chose not to trying to get the icing call or b) because the offensive player beat the defensive player down the ice despite the defensive player being closer to the puck.

Either way, the purpose of the icing rule is to prevent icing tree puck as a tactic instead of playing defense in your own zone to begin with. Icing was not created to prevent the events of the scenario here in particular.

As I said, a review can't defeat the purpose of the rule.
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Talon,
With all due respect, I think you are not understanding a particular playing situation here.

In your opinion, an offside should result in the clock being turned back as much as even a full minute or more, if a goal is scored following a play which is microscopically offside, correct?
 
TaLoN said:
No, it gets waived off because a) the defender could've played the puck sooner abdominal chose not to trying to get the icing call or b) because the offensive player beat the defensive player Dian the ice despite the defensive player being closer to the puck.

Either way, the purpose of the icing rule is to prevent icing tree puck as a tactic instead of playing defense in your own zone to begin with. Icing was not created to prevent the events of the scenario here in particular.

As I said, a review can't defeat the purpose of the rule.
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How does a puck being dumped in past the opposing redline prior to you reaching the centerline get waved off?
 
MNNumbers said:
Talon,
With all due respect, I think you are not understanding a particular playing situation here.

In your opinion, an offside should result in the clock being turned back as much as even a full minute or more, if a goal is scored following a play which is microscopically offside, correct?
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The clock actually does move back by rule if offside is found during review
 
Spurgeon said:
How does a puck being dumped in past the opposing redline prior to you reaching the centerline get waved off?
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Linesman discretion on if the puck could've been played by the team benefitting from the icing call, or determination on which team's player is closest to the goal line at the far end thus the now transitioning offensive player "beating it out" by hybrid icing rules.
 
TaLoN said:
Linesman discretion on if the puck could've been played by the team benefitting from the icing call, or determination on which team's player is closest to the goal line at the far end thus the now transitioning offensive player "beating it out" by hybrid icing rules.
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Are you purposefully trying to ignore the actual basis of the argument?

If a player dumps the puck in prior to reaching the redline and the linesman does not enforce it, that’s a missed call. That should be reviewable if the offending team scored off of that.
 
Not an unexpected result, but how we got there was. I think we would match up well against Boston in a playoff series, if healthy.

I think Guerin might look to re-sign one or two of the Swedes if he can in the off season.
 
57special said:
Not an unexpected result, but how we got there was. I think we would match up well against Boston in a playoff series, if healthy.

I think Guerin might look to re-sign one or two of the Swedes if he can in the off season.
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Not surprised on how it played out. It's the Bruins, the Wild are always in games vs them.
 
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