Is this a shot at the Canucks saying they'll be bad for years to come or is there something legitimate here? I'm genuinely curious why you'd think that.
G Thatcher Demko (2014, 36th, VAN)
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Is this a shot at the Canucks saying they'll be bad for years to come or is there something legitimate here? I'm genuinely curious why you'd think that.
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SmellOfVictory
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JVR - Stamkos - Okposo
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Komarov - Kadri - Bozak
Campbell - Goligoski
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Ward
Leafs 2016-2017/2017-2018 amirite?
I don't know if your being sarcastic or not, but there is no way Toronto has Bozak on the wing of Kadri. Bozak is top ten in faceoff percentage this year.
No. You forget that the 2017-18 Leafs trade for the rental Tavares of the rebuilding 2017-18 Islanders.
Hansen
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True, but it's become more common as of late. Kevin Hayes bailed on the Hawks and went to the Rangers 2 years ago, last year Mike Reilly bailed on CBJ and went to his home state of Minnesota, and this year there are rumblings of Jimmy Vesey exploring in the free agent market as the Nashville system seems to be somewhat clogged up front. I think it is definitely in Demko's best interest to sign with Vancouver, but it wouldn't boggle my mind if he passed on them
Thats scary man o man makes us paranoid now cause we have Jim Meat and Potatoes Head Benning running and ruining this team so i cant imagine hes gonna convince Demko to sign here. Kinda depressing he can jump ship after this year
lawrence
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oooooooh i'm so scared.
I guess I will see, you and Signed in the Boeser thread in a couple years also spewing the same bull crap of how he "might" bail on the team that drafted him? hfboards.com continue by all means, say discouraging things about a Canuck player regardless of how good or bad they are.
ok boys, whois next for more fabricated b.s about Demko?
To all the people worried and speculating he won't sign: When was the last time a Collage goalie didn't sign with the team that drafted him. It is more common for skaters to this because they actually have a reasonable chance to make the team to get a bigger contract faster then any goalie can. Most goalies need at least 2 in the AHL or some other professional league before being able to jump into the NHL . It just doesn't make sense for them to sign somewhere else and get accustomed to a whole new goalie coach and team just to play in the AHL for the next 2 years unless there was a serious log jam/they want to go a specific place. There will be no one that will offer him a one way deal/NHL job and that one less year will hardly matter if your still in the AHL.
Add that to fact the Canucks have turned to goalie factory, have one of the better goalie coaches and have no big piece standing in his way
Add that to fact the Canucks have turned to goalie factory, have one of the better goalie coaches and have no big piece standing in his way
the better he plays the more likely he wont sign with the Canucks according to hfboards. same goes for Boeser right?
My thinking is Demko will be better off with an up and coming team. Not one who INSISTS on using a 15 year rebuild model of slow death by mediocrity until forced to confront it.
Being a Canuck fan at heart I want nothing more for him to stay here but I dont expect the Canucks to be honest to goodness contenders for 8 years or more.
lawrence
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look at all the fear mongering garbage in this thread.
we're scared crapless right now.
according to hfboards.com rules when dealing with a Canuck prospect with some success? you bet.
WTG
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I never hear see anything in your posts that would lead me to believe you are in fact a canucks fan. All I see is posts that say "I am a canucks fan" when I never ever see you around in the HFVan. Which is fine, you do not need to post in HFVan to be considered a Vancouver fan. It's just the fact that you are constantly saying negative things about anything canucks related.
In the trade section you talk about how canucks fans overrate their assets.
In the prospect section you talk about how awful Virtanen is and how Demko isn't going to sign with the canucks.
Now, adding that all up how the hell can you be a "fan" of something when you basically only really say negative things about something. Plus the fact that you supposedly cheer for 3 different teams. This is really making me doubt that "in your heart you are a canucks fan". It really just seems to me that you are a Tampa fan first then canucks are your B team.
Which is fine, but don't go around claiming that you are a canucks fan and that gives you an excuse to **** all over the organization.
Signed has a point, why not take your pick of teams instead of playing with a team that refuses to do what it takes to put together a contending team. If I were him I would absolutely ask Benning for what direction he is going with the organization. If the answer is not a satisfactory one then it is probably better to look for an organization that is more willing to get away from mediocrity than one that embraces it.
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This is such an exagguration. Obviously, the Canucks don't have this great plethora of young players, but they do have pieces. And besides, there'll be even more pieces when Demko cracks the team, which could be a while from now. It's not like he's going to be walking into a team with an empty prospect pool with no talent whatsoever.
Great is an over statement.
With that said, I don't see why he wouldn't stick with the Canucks. First they WILL give him the max under the ELC because Miller and Markstrom are entering their final years next season.
Demko then has to start in the AHL and make himself a big fish there by out playing his counterparts and earning a job as a back-up to start. That's a HUGE feat to carry out.
Also, in College you play less and in his case, he has had the luck of playing behind a fantastic team.
I grew up in West Vancouver. I have been through 3 separate 'cycles' of Canuck cores.
Every core builds, contends, then falls apart. The Canucks tend to bend over for their fans and try to ice a competitive product every year instead of just rip it apart and draft high to get a legitimate contender later.
This delays the rebuild and stretches out the frustration of us as fans.
This 'core' we have now is Henrik and Daniel. They exist courtesy of high tanking by the canucks in 99 and trading Trevor Linden. This netted us the assets to get both twins. Linden of course was because we super tanked to get the 2nd overall pick in 88.
The Canucks have 9th overall Horvat, 6th overall Ehlers, and then the low 1sts in Gaunce, Mc Cann and Shinkaruk. They are fresh out of 20 year old 1st and 2nd overall picks.
Canucks have yet to hit rock bottom yet. They are getting worse before they get any better. Demko is almost 20. At 22 or 23 hes going to walk into a stripped down rebuilding team. He will be 28 by time the Canucks new core is ready to contend.
If the Canucks had stripped the team down in 2014 and drafted Nylander/ Ehlers then drafted McDavid or Eichel or Strome or whatnot and then a high draft pick this year, then hell yeah, Demko would be a perfect fit in the future.
Too bad we picked Virtanen, and insisted on trying to make the playoffs to nowhere and end up with useless middling picks yet again. Just like we did during the 80s .
And yes, if someone came to me in the 80s and told me that the Canucks are mired in mediocrity with no high end talent I would have told the 'old man' he didnt know what he was talking about because we got Tony Tanti and Petri Skriko and we will be contenders within 2 years.
/end rant.
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sounds like hfboards.com is trying to do wahtever it takes to discourage Canucks fans at some capacity. I guess eventually those same guys will make their way to the Boeser thread and say the exact same thing.
You guys might as well say the same thing in the Kyle Connor and Colin White threads. those guys can also become UFA's after 4 years. oh right.. they don't play for Vancouver, it's funny how I see a bunch of users that don't even follow the Vancouver Canucks.
The VAncovuer Canucks have a 100% success rate at signing their college drafted or prospects that went through the college rout. I am not including the ones we didn't make a contract offer for. R.J Umberger is one the exception who the Canucks failed to sign, (Because Brian Burke Low balled him, offering him 600K.
players that reject a contract offer from the the teams that drafted them represent an extremely small percentage. The only players to do that in the past 10 years, was Blake Wheeler, Justin Shultz and Mike Reiley 3 out of how many college players that do sign with their team?
I guess we can also say that about Zack Werenski. his team sucks ass too. He should bail on his team in 3 years or so.
Nalyd Psycho
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The Sedin picks were a result of going out and signing an established star to one of the largest deals in history at that point. It was a contender move that blew up in our face. The Linden pick was because we traded young talent to get an "established" first line center and it backfired horribly. Although really, it was because of terrible prospect development. They drafted 4 NHL players from 82-84, all of them had all of their success after being traded away from Vancouver. From 85-87 we kept our picks, not counting Larianov for obvious reasons (He developed in Russian, he also had more success away from Vancouver.) we drafted four NHLers, Jim Sandlak, Robert Kron, Ronnie Stern and Garry Valk.
There are many way to build a team, high draft picks are not as good as 3rd rounders if you do not properly develop your prospects. For every Sedin or Linden, there are two Dan Woodleys, Bryan Allens, Jason Herters, Alex Stojanovs or Jim Sandlaks.
There are hundreds of posters on this forum. I do not represent "hfboards.com". You seem intent on suppressing discussion in this forum. If you do not like my or anyone's opinion, you can use the ignore list. Otherwise get over it, if you hate it here, you can always go elsewhere.
Also you left out the names of two guys who also refused to sign with their teams in Kevin Hayes and Zach Hyman.
Where would Demko go? Toronto? Lol. They are further away from winning than Columbus or the oilers.
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