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So he seems.. kinda of overrated based on this prospect tournament. He is getting lit up every time he plays. He can't stop anything right now against Toronto
G Sebastian Cossa (2021, 15th, DET)
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Pavels Dog
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He was frequently talked about as a franchise goalie for Detroit and in the convo for the top goalie prospect in the game
Pavels Dog
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When?
And would you agree that Bednar is one of the best prospects in the world based on this game?
You have to just go to the first few pages of this to see the word 'franchise' being thrown around....
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This has nothing to do with a random, meaningless prospect game vs Toronto but I actually think that Jan Bednar is a top goalie prospect. Sadly missed a lot of time last season which was quite the setback but I'm certainly way more excited about Bednar than about Cossa. Which of course means absolutely nothing because even if my talent evaluation would be right, it takes way more than talent if you wanna be an NHL goalie. The deciding factor is between the ears.
Therefore, way too early to write Cossa off and he wouldn't be the first underwhelming junior goalie to have a decent NHL career. Having said that, I didn't like the pick and I still don't like the prospect very much.
TheBeastCoast
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What do you mean when? When your team took him 15th overall, that is when.
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I mean where you are drafted kind of sticks with you lol you draft a goalie at 15OA the expectations naturally are going to be extremely high. Trying to revise history like that isn’t the case is just silly. You picked a dud at 15 most likely. It isn’t the end of the world it happens.
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Especially when you take him over a goalie that was regarded as being better at the time and still looks better
Kingpin794
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Personally, I'm perfectly fine with his development so far. I don't expect goalies to really realize their potential until at least like 23/24. Honestly I'm glad he was down in Toledo last year because GR was a trash heap.
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He was drafted fairly high and ahead of another highly touted goalie prospect who played quite well in the AHL last year. Cossa was clearly highly regarded and was seen as a top goalie prospect given that he was drafted high. Still early on in his career especially as a goalie, but not sure why you seem to be offended that people think he isn't trending well.
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He's dropped every year in NHL goalie prospect rankings. Guys picked way later are ahead of him now.
Overrated relative to where he was picked? For sure. Cossa hasn't lived up to the 15th overall. There are a lot of Wings fans that keep saying, "just wait and see!" but the problem is there haven't been the flashes of brilliance yet to show he's going to be a big game goalie. Just a big goalie.
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Many aren't. I was cautiously optimistic about Cossa when we drafted him and stated I wanted Wallstedt over him. Each season my optimism in Cossa has diminished more and it's to the point now where if he isn't at least above average in GR I'm about ready to write him off.
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Dallas always owns the Red Wings lol
Eric Cole for Hintz, Janmark, and Backman stands out as well.
Kingpin794
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Why is that the expectation for a 21 year old goalie in his second pro season?
My expectations are something like 40 some games played, 0.910 sv%, 2.75 GAA. That would be a good season.
OgeeOgelthorpe
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I want to refute this but I can't.
God damnit.
And that WOULD be an above average season in the AHL.
If he's a 0.905 or worse and 50% win percent or worse that would be bad in my estimation.
Kingpin794
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With the way hes going this is a prospect you should pick in the later rounds, not at 15 when there are (theoretically) better options at other positions they needed and could have filled. No way in hell he should’ve been picked ahead of Wallstedt when he was still sitting there for the taking by the Red Wings.
I still think Cossa could develop into a starting goalie for Detroit but not for the next few years. He was being pegged into that Wallstedt-Askarov pool of prospect goalies and its quite clear now he’s nowhere near close to those guys atm. He’s going to be a guy in net whose going to need development time and that’s perfectly fine for goalies, they inevitably need the time.
I still think Cossa could develop into a starting goalie for Detroit but not for the next few years. He was being pegged into that Wallstedt-Askarov pool of prospect goalies and its quite clear now he’s nowhere near close to those guys atm. He’s going to be a guy in net whose going to need development time and that’s perfectly fine for goalies, they inevitably need the time.
Because any goalie prospect that has any NHL starter potential is pretty much always an above average AHL goalie by their 2nd pro season and could even handle their own at the NHL level.
Dustin Wolf: AHL 55 GP 2.09 GAA 0.932 SV% / NHL 1 GP 1.00 GAA 0.958 SV%
Arturs Silovs: AHL 44 GP 2.44 GAA 0.909 SV% / NHL 5 GP 2.75 GAA 0.908 SV%
Jesper Wallstedt has been an above average AHL goalie in his 1st pro season at 20.
Yaroslav Askarov has been an above average AHL goalie in his 1st pro season at 21.
Lucas Dostal was an elite AHL goalie with NHL games in his 1st pro season at 21.
Pyotr Kochetkov was an elite AHL goalie with NHL games in his 1st pro season at 22.
I don't believe there is a single goalie in the AHL last season that has played their 1st or 2nd pro season at 18-22 that is considered to have NHL starter potential outside of these 6 guys.
There is only a single starting goalie in the NHL today that wasnt an above average AHLer or better at 21 years old. That is Stuart Skinner. Even the worst starting goalie that qualifies under these parameters was an above average AHL goalie (Mrazek)
1/20ish NHL starters have overcome being average or worse in their 21 year old season in the AHL. That odds of Cossa doubling the success rate is slim to none if he doesnt bounce back this year.
Depending on what you mean by like 40 games, if Cossa plays 40 games and posts a 2.75 GAA and a 0.910 SV% in the AHL this year, that would be elite AHL numbers. Last season, only 14 goalies had a GAA of 2.75 or below and a sv% of 0.910 or above. Add in 40+ GP and theres only 5 goalies that meet that requirement. Drop it to 35+GP and theres only 9 goalies to have accomplished that.
So you expect Cossa to post top 5-10 goalie statistics in the AHL yet think the poster wanting above average is too much?
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The poster just embarassed themselves. They call you out on wanting above average numbers from Cossa in the AHL, then goes on to say they expect stats that only the elite top 5-10 goalies post in the AHL.
Kingpin794
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Last year among guys who played at least 30 games, 0.910 would have been good for 15th. 2.75 would be good for 17th. So pretty well the middle. Not top 5-10.
