Speculation: Friedman: "At the deadline I heard that several Jets players asked to be traded"

[JetsNut]

Can't exonnerate the GM in so far as allowing this to fester and still keep his job with a bonafide extension to boot. Chevy better find the right "heavy" to run the ice and the locker, or this _hit-show will continue and start stinking seriously! Chevy will be the next "extended contracted fully supported and approve the owner(s) to then walk out/ quit on them due to no improvement, etc.

Sure I would say Chevy has to shoulder some of the blame here. However Maurice is the one intimately responsible on what happens in that room. Further, he created the problem and nurtured it until it was too late. If you want a good example of what a proper coach can do then look no further than the Calgary Flames. A complete turn around in attitudes and culture in a very short time.

 

[Imcanadianeh]

I imagine a lot of regulars post a lot less (myself included) because this team is a directionless mess. It's mentally exhausting coming on to this site and watching this team do nothing and see on the front page "in chevy we trust!" and get hounded by a small group of radicals about how amazing tnse is and our management.

It’s mentally exhausting coming on here and there is no discussion going on, just many posters complaining about anything and everything.

Often pulling stuff outta their ass and stating them like facts just so they have something to complain about.

Then another complainer sees the theory that was just made up and decides that’s a new one I want to complain about and keeps stating it like it’s a fact, next thing you know it’s a thread of complaining about something that has no merit but people just go along with it and eventually just accept it as truth.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Undone on Chevy's watch with Chipman's blessing.

I've never bought into the suggestions that IT, whatever it may be at the time, has been Chipman's fault. I don't see any signs of an interfering owner. Chevy is the GM and it is on him.

That is, until a 3 year extension to the guy who has built whatever it is you want to call what we have. Way too much approval under the circumstances.

If Chevy can't turn this aircraft carrier around pretty quickly, he is going to have to go. Chipman is going to have to dig into his pockets to pay him for those 3 years.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

we lost laine as well in game 1 of the play in we also stole 1 game with out them, had we had both scheif and laine we would have beat the flames that year

Maybe would, maybe would not. Considering that the series was not close, I tend to doubt it. But we will never know for certain.

Would you be clinging to the same excuses if Scheif and Laine had been hurt in the 72nd game of the season, ending our winning streak so that we finished well out of a PO spot?

We do know what actually happened though. We did not get to be among the 16 PO teams.

 

[Ducky10]

It’s mentally exhausting coming on here and there is no discussion going on, just many posters complaining about anything and everything.

Often pulling stuff outta their ass and stating them like facts just so they have something to complain about.

Then another complainer sees the theory that was just made up and decides that’s a new one I want to complain about and keeps stating it like it’s a fact, next thing you know it’s a thread of complaining about something that has no merit but people just go along with it and eventually just accept it as truth.

I assure you, nobody would be here if everyone was singing the same song. Complaining about anything and everything is a hallmark of sports discussion forums, as is complaining about complaining.
Lots of features on this board to help you avoid what you don’t like.

 

[SensibleGuy]

Maybe it's because of the team, maybe it's because of us. I noticed that Pandamona had complained about reading "shut up sawyer" like a million times and then she disappeared from here.

She was a regular? She was around for what, a month?


Sheesh, this board is starting to sound like the Jet's locker room here! Why can't we all just get along man?

 

[voyageur]

The fact that we can remain competitive without any advantage that a lot of teams have is actually pretty remarkable. It will remain to be seen if we can weather this patch and still be competitive.

We could easily fall into a Ottawa/Buffalo/Yotes funk

For a market like Winnipeg how many people who live in Winnipeg would say if they could choose 31 different destinations in North America, plus some overseas at the back part of your career, would you choose Winnipeg?

I think there's a plateau the organization reached, through timing and development that will be hard to return to. After trading for guys who didn't necessarily want to be traded to Winnipeg, I expect a correction. If some of the vets want to move elsewhere, management might have to rebuild Ottawa style with a lot of draft picks.

With Connor, Dubois, Ehlers, Morrissey and Lowry still in their prime, it can't be a total firesale, but a retool where Perfetti, Lucius, Torgersson become part of the plan by next season. If the Jets can get up to 3 firsts in this draft, that may be the way to go, a youth push to restart the engines. And fly faster.

 

[WolfHouse]

If Dillon and Schmidt were the ones who asked for a trade that's good news for the jets

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

If Dillon and Schmidt were the ones who asked for a trade that's good news for the jets

If he's being grammatically correct, several would indicate 3 or more Jets asking for trades.

 

[Ducky10]

this speaks to coaching more then anything..
me - winnipeg has a hard time attracting depth players due to market
you - toronto was able to do it!

yes a more desirable market was able to get cheap depth players...

But if the coaching staff runs it’s bottom 6 in that fashion for a number of years, doesn’t that start to indicate and organizational philosophy? Again, it comes down to how much Chevy turned over to Maurice, or did he? I’d have to think Chevy was onboard with it, otherwise he would have done something. I don’t blame any depth FA’s for looking at the Jets and thinking opportunity would be limited.

 

[gojetsgo]

But if the coaching staff runs it’s bottom 6 in that fashion for a number of years, doesn’t that start to indicate and organizational philosophy? Again, it comes down to how much Chevy turned over to Maurice, or did he? I’d have to think Chevy was onboard with it, otherwise he would have done something. I don’t blame any depth FA’s for looking at the Jets and thinking opportunity would be limited.

I don't think it's an organizational philosophy, I think it was more of a maurice thing, chevy gave him the pieces to build a top 9 centered by scheif-pld-stastny and a shut down 4th line centered by lowry but didn't try that once, instead we got a stacked top 6 a shut down 3rd line and a 4th line that hardly plays

I don't think many good free agents were looking at ves/harkins/svetch/toni/nash as people they couldn't beat out for a spot and if they didn't think they could beat those players out for spots then it's a good thing we didn't sign them

 

[surixon]

But if the coaching staff runs it’s bottom 6 in that fashion for a number of years, doesn’t that start to indicate and organizational philosophy? Again, it comes down to how much Chevy turned over to Maurice, or did he? I’d have to think Chevy was onboard with it, otherwise he would have done something. I don’t blame any depth FA’s for looking at the Jets and thinking opportunity would be limited.

I remember they went into 16-17 with the top 9 concept. I believe they had Perrault at center on line 3 with Conner on LW.

Well like most things with Maurice we got a whack of injuries and Maurice ended up going back to his default deployment when players got healthy.

He went with his default again in 17-18 and we had great success so that became the template going forward.

I doubt the org is against the new modern deployment options as they looked to be going that way at one point.

I think it will be up to whoever comes in and coaches how they want to deploy their lines.

 

[Stumbledore]

She was a regular? She was around for what, a month?


Sheesh, this board is starting to sound like the Jet's locker room here! Why can't we all just get along man?

yeah, she was a regular. On here more than a year, maybe as long as two. Bitched a bit about women's issues but had a diff sort of view that was kinda interesting and put the worse jerks in their place. Kinda miss that.

To answer youre other question, read #327 and it pretty much sums up why we don't get along in here.

 

[Ducky10]

I don't think it's an organizational philosophy, I think it was more of a maurice thing, chevy gave him the pieces to build a top 9 centered by scheif-pld-stastny and a shut down 4th line centered by lowry but didn't try that once, instead we got a stacked top 6 a shut down 3rd line and a 4th line that hardly plays

I don't think many good free agents were looking at ves/harkins/svetch/toni/nash as people they couldn't beat out for a spot and if they didn't think they could beat those players out for spots then it's a good thing we didn't sign them

It’s not a matter of being able to beat those players out, it’s being relegated to 5-6 minutes a night, regardless.
My point with it being an org thing, is if Chevy gave Maurice the pieces and thought those pieces should be deployed differently, why was Maurice allowed to do it for so long?
I’m not sure how anyone can think Chevy didn’t support how Maurice was running the teams. If he didn’t, then that’s a pretty big disconnect.

 

[Ducky10]

I remember they went into 16-17 with the top 9 concept. I believe they had Perrault at center on line 3 with Conner on LW.

Well like most things with Maurice we got a whack of injuries and Maurice ended up going back to his default deployment when players got healthy.

He went with his default again in 17-18 and we had great success so that became the template going forward.

I doubt the org is against the new modern deployment options as they looked to be going that way at one point.

I think it will be up to whoever comes in and coaches how they want to deploy their lines.

Sorry, I don’t get the excuses for Chevy on the disconnect between how Maurice deployed the team and supporting more modern deployment. If you’re not on the same page as your coach, find a new one.

 

[tbcwpg]

I imagine a lot of regulars post a lot less (myself included) because this team is a directionless mess. It's mentally exhausting coming on to this site and watching this team do nothing and see on the front page "in chevy we trust!" and get hounded by a small group of radicals about how amazing tnse is and our management.

The posters who have left are not the "sky is falling" types. The mental exhaustion from reading about how awful everyone and everything involved with this franchise is, is real. I'm not even saying that some of the posters who left are pro-TNSE, it's just that the difficulty of having reasoned discussion is heavily increased by sifting through "Sawyer sucks!" and "Chevy didn't say fired this team is doomed!" over and over.

I'd also say that if positivity has forced people to reduce the time they spend on here, or to leave entirely, that says more about those people, especially if the positive group is a "small group of radicals." If you think it's annoying to have 3 or 4 people tell you your criticisms are wrong, imagine 3x that number telling you how bad everything is. There are also some who only seem to appear when things are going badly for the team.

As for the notion above that Chevy was saved from some bad deals because of location, or that some players were available and it's some failing of management for not getting them, sure, thats valid, but if people making that point are going to willfully ignore the number of players who are actually very good and have not come here because of location, or judge this team's management on a level playing field as some major market like Toronto or New York, or some no state income tax state that's warm year round, to me that's just starting from a conclusion and picking the evidence after the fact. It's the same tired argument of "Chevy failed the draft 5 years ago because he didn't draft future superstar X in round 4!". I'm not suggesting Chevy has been a great GM, but I don't believe he's been a total failure either.

 

[gojetsgo]

It’s not a matter of being able to beat those players out, it’s being relegated to 5-6 minutes a night, regardless.
My point with it being an org thing, is if Chevy gave Maurice the pieces and thought those pieces should be deployed differently, why was Maurice allowed to do it for so long?
I’m not sure how anyone can think Chevy didn’t support how Maurice was running the teams. If he didn’t, then that’s a pretty big disconnect.

who says there wasn't a disconnect? go back to 2 trade deadlines ago where he said he wants to see heinola play only to have him sit in the pressbox for a week before sending him down when it was clear that he wasn't going to play, makes me think what murat said this week was true where chipman is very "hands on"

 

[Ducky10]

The posters who have left are not the "sky is falling" types. The mental exhaustion from reading about how awful everyone and everything involved with this franchise is, is real. I'm not even saying that some of the posters who left are pro-TNSE, it's just that the difficulty of having reasoned discussion is heavily increased by sifting through "Sawyer sucks!" and "Chevy didn't say fired this team is doomed!" over and over.

I'd also say that if positivity has forced people to reduce the time they spend on here, or to leave entirely, that says more about those people, especially if the positive group is a "small group of radicals." If you think it's annoying to have 3 or 4 people tell you your criticisms are wrong, imagine 3x that number telling you how bad everything is. There are also some who only seem to appear when things are going badly for the team.

As for the notion above that Chevy was saved from some bad deals because of location, or that some players were available and it's some failing of management for not getting them, sure, thats valid, but if people making that point are going to willfully ignore the number of players who are actually very good and have not come here because of location, or judge this team's management on a level playing field as some major market like Toronto or New York, or some no state income tax state that's warm year round, to me that's just starting from a conclusion and picking the evidence after the fact. It's the same tired argument of "Chevy failed the draft 5 years ago because he didn't draft future superstar X in round 4!". I'm not suggesting Chevy has been a great GM, but I don't believe he's been a total failure either.

And hyperbole and having words put in your
mouth gets exhausting as well. I mean seriously, it’s probably one of the biggest reasons things get the way they do around here. It’s just disrespectful.
It’s unfortunate that when people express disappointment or are critical of the team, it gets labelled as negative and portrayed as hysterical. It’s patronizing and arrogant. Reasonable discussion doesn’t always follow a single pov, although it’s often portrayed that way. I find many of the posters here who are critical of the organization, to be some of our most knowledgeable posters. Sadly, when things always get portrayed as positive or negative, it relegates even reasoned posters to the fringes.

I’ll say most of the more extreme criticism of the team is amplified by the lack of success on the ice. Many of the posters who have left are likely still around if the team is performing better, because it tones down the extremes. Forums like these are sounding boards, and right now most are sounding off with frustration. I think that’s understandable given the performance of the team.

 

[hockeyarena]

People getting all riled up about a form letter that the organization sends out each year pretty much sums up the internet.

 

[Ducky10]

who says there wasn't a disconnect? go back to 2 trade deadlines ago where he said he wants to see heinola play only to have him sit in the pressbox for a week before sending him down when it was clear that he wasn't going to play, makes me think what murat said this week was true where chipman is very "hands on"

But that’s my point? Why was Maurice kept around for so long if there was such a disconnect between he and Chevy on utilization? If you think it was Chipman, that’s fair but If that’s the case Chevy is in a no win situation and it doesn’t bode well going forward.

 

[Ducky10]

People getting all riled up about a form letter that the organization sends out each year pretty much sums up the internet.

Are people riled up though?……really? One of the biggest things that sums up the internet is reading emotion into everything.

 

[10Ducky10]

What I wouldn't do to sit around and have a few wobbly pops with Paul Maurice.

 

[gojetsgo]

But that’s my point? Why was Maurice kept around for so long if there was such a disconnect between he and Chevy on utilization? If you think it was Chipman, that’s fair but If that’s the case Chevy is in a no win situation and it doesn’t bode well going forward.

well if it was true then hopefully chipman learned his lesson with how this season went especially with how maurice just up and quit in the middle of it, and if it isn't then this will be chevy's last contract with the team

 

[surixon]

Sorry, I don’t get the excuses for Chevy on the disconnect between how Maurice deployed the team and supporting more modern deployment. If you’re not on the same page as your coach, find a new one.

I wasn't making an excuse, just staring that if the new coach wanted to run it differently he wouldn't insist on the top 6 bottom 6 deployment for the coach. But yes I agree that management and coaching needs to be in sync and not excusing Chevy for how things have been deployed.

 

[Stumbledore]

The posters who have left are not the "sky is falling" types. The mental exhaustion from reading about how awful everyone and everything involved with this franchise is, is real. I'm not even saying that some of the posters who left are pro-TNSE, it's just that the difficulty of having reasoned discussion is heavily increased by sifting through "Sawyer sucks!" and "Chevy didn't say fired this team is doomed!" over and over.

Yep. And some of the guys who left quoted the Sawyers sucks as something they were sick of before they disappeared.