HOH Top 60 Goaltenders of All Time (2024 Edition) - Voting Results

[jigglysquishy]

Carey Price slotting behind Vasilevskiy and Luongo is a bit ridiculous to me. At no point in their careers would gms/coaches have picked either/or above Price. Especially Luongo.

That's not the question being asked though.

Price's last full season came at age 32. Luongo played almost 50% more games than him. Longevity absolutely plays a role in this project.

 

[Yozhik v tumane]

Carey Price slotting behind Vasilevskiy and Luongo is a bit ridiculous to me. At no point in their careers would gms/coaches have picked either/or above Price. Especially Luongo.

Not saying you’re wrong about Price being the best of the bunch, but you might want to rephrase this. Luongo is 8 years older and Vasilevskiy 7 years younger than Price, both were/are all-star netminders and of course there were multiple points where you would have picked them above Price.

 

[MXD]

Again, if it was a thing of skill, Price would've ranked higher. But for a reason or another, what he achieved didn't quite meet the skill.

I still think the panel has been excessively deferential to Vasilevskiy by the way.

 

[bobholly39]

Not saying you’re wrong about Price being the best of the bunch, but you might want to rephrase this. Luongo is 8 years older and Vasilevskiy 7 years younger than Price, both were/are all-star netminders and of course there were multiple points where you would have picked them above Price.

Obviously I meant, in their primes head to head, GMs/Coaches would pick Price at similar age.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Vasilevskiy didn't make a ballot there? Woof...

I guess the Broda case that I asked for several times must have been distributed privately haha - 8 top 3 ballots there. More than everyone except Vasy and Price, narrowly. And now, I guess we'll never get to hear it because he's been inducted.

Benedict leading the way in 1st place ballots this round after being almost at the very bottom last round is quite a turn of events for him...

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Vasilevskiy didn't make a ballot there? Woof...

I guess the Broda case that I asked for several times must have been distributed privately haha - 8 top 3 ballots there. More than everyone except Vasy and Price, narrowly. And now, I guess we'll never get to hear it because he's been inducted.

Benedict leading the way in 1st place ballots this round after being almost at the very bottom last round is quite a turn of events for him...

Quite odd for the guy coming in first to have such divergent voting.

Five candidates got first & last place votes.

Voters probably didn't want to distance Benedict too far from Vezina.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Voters probably didn't want to distance Benedict too far from Vezina.

Perhaps. But it was expressly stated what a gap there was between them in the discussion I believe. I feel like a gap in pre-forward pass goalies carries a little bit more weight than some other gaps, but I'm also often nominated as the, uh, dunce of the week...so...

It's easy to compound problems in a situation like this.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Perhaps. But it was expressly stated what a gap there was between them in the discussion I believe. I feel like a gap in pre-forward pass goalies carries a little bit more weight than some other gaps, but I'm also often nominated as the, uh, dunce of the week...so...

It's easy to compound problems in a situation like this.

It may have been stated but these are a couple of goalies no one has seen play, who played at a time when the game was completely different. Often lumped together as the best of that era.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

Vote 5
18/19 voters

Goalie	1st	2nd	3rd	4th	5th	6th	7th	8th	9th	10th	NR	Total
Connor Hellebuyck	5	4	3	1		1	1	1			2	129
Hugh Lehman	1	4	4	2	1	2	1	2			1	118
Jiri Holecek	5	1		3	2	1	1	3		1	1	111
Roy Worters	1	5	3			4	1	1	2	1		111
Tiny Thompson	1	1	3	5	2	2	1		1	2		108
Billy Smith	1	1	2	4	3	2	1	1	3			104
Tony Esposito	2		2	1	5	1	3	1		1	2	94
Harry Lumley	1	1			3	2	1	2	2	5	1	66
George Hainsworth		1	1	2	1		2	2	2	3	4	58
Grant Fuhr	1				1	2	1	2	3	1	7	43
Hap Holmes							4	2	2	2	8	28
Gump Worsley						1	1	1	3	2	10	20

Top six get in.

Hellebuyck and Lehman go in on the first try. Smith the first 80s goalie to get in, right before we had a few more to the hopper in vote 6.

Holecek over Worters on the tiebreak, he was ahead on more ballots.

There's a big break in the aggregate list right up next, and the guys before the break are tightly packed together. So, with a larger group going through this week, we're gonna add them all in, which puts us up to 14 names. It's a lot, but we should be steady around that number for a few weeks going forward.

 

[rmartin65]

Smith the first 80s goalie to get in, right before we had a few more to the hopper in vote 6.

Smith is not the first 80s goalie to go in- the myth of the anti-80s discrimination needs to end. Both 1 (Hasek, 1980-2011) and 2 (Roy, 1985-2003) on our list played substantial time in the 1980s, as did number 7 (Tretiak, 1968-1984).

 

[jigglysquishy]

Fuhr at 1 and Hellebucyk NR do not match discussion at all

 

[bobholly39]

Vote 5
18/19 voters

Goalie	1st	2nd	3rd	4th	5th	6th	7th	8th	9th	10th	NR	Total
Connor Hellebuyck	5	4	3	1		1	1	1			2	129
Hugh Lehman	1	4	4	2	1	2	1	2			1	118
Jiri Holecek	5	1		3	2	1	1	3		1	1	111
Roy Worters	1	5	3			4	1	1	2	1		111
Tiny Thompson	1	1	3	5	2	2	1		1	2		108
Billy Smith	1	1	2	4	3	2	1	1	3			104
Tony Esposito	2		2	1	5	1	3	1		1	2	94
Harry Lumley	1	1			3	2	1	2	2	5	1	66
George Hainsworth		1	1	2	1		2	2	2	3	4	58
Grant Fuhr	1				1	2	1	2	3	1	7	43
Hap Holmes							4	2	2	2	8	28
Gump Worsley						1	1	1	3	2	10	20

Hellebuyck and Lehman go in on the first try. Smith the first 80s goalie to get in, right before we had a few more to the hopper in vote 6.

Holecek over Worters on the tiebreak, he was ahead on more ballots.

There's a big break in the aggregate list right up next, and the guys before the break are tightly packed together. So, with a larger group going through this week, we're gonna add them all in, which puts us up to 14 names. It's a lot, but we should be steady around that number for a few weeks going forward.

I literally had to read the post 5x to understand whose going in lol. You should really put a simplified "the top 6 go in this round" for us people who haven't had our coffee yet.

18/19 votes - I think that's the first round we haven't had all 19 voters? Still great voting participation overall, which is good.

Nothing too surprising with the results.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

I literally had to read the post 5x to understand whose going in lol. You should really put a simplified "the top 6 go in this round" for us people who haven't had our coffee yet.

Ah, my bad, I figured the italics made it clear. I will fix that.

Smith is not the first 80s goalie to go in- the myth of the anti-80s discrimination needs to end. Both 1 (Hasek, 1980-2011) and 2 (Roy, 1985-2003) on our list played substantial time in the 1980s, as did number 7 (Tretiak, 1968-1984).

I meant that he's the first goalie where the bulk of his resume came in the 80s.

 

[MXD]

I would've suggested admitting only 4 players, since we were already over the 5-player per round on average, but 16 goalies at this is probably too much, and Billy Smith was closer to the 4th place than to 7th.