Free Agents and Trade Thread - Offseason Part II

[Mess]

I feel like adding Pietrangelo could really dramatically elevate the Leafs. All of sudden Rielly is the weaker D pair on the first line, Muzzin and Holl are the second option, and the 3rd pairing could be Sandin or Dermott and a Bogosian. Feels like it could be like when the Jays added David Price in 2015 and everything clicked into place defensively.

How can the Leafs afford him without major salary going out?

 

[LeafParade]

If Anderson is on his way out and only owed 1 million in real dollars. Wouldn't the Sabres be interested?

 

[Ziggdiezan]

I have a feeling they might talk themselves into trading Parayko. Lose Petro for nothing vs lose Parayko for an actual return + keep Petro.

Ya im sure they are actively seeing what parayko could return as letting an asset like that walk for free is really rough. Especially your captain

 

[Faltorvo]

I haven't gauged value or signed anyone. This roster outline, which has Kerfoot, Johnsson, and Engvall all hypothetically traded for futures, is all existing contracts.

It has $13,266,467 in cap room left. As I said, it requires;

- Pietrangelo signed
- Mikheyev re-signed
- 4 other forwards on the roster.

oh i see what you did,,you added guys that cap friendly does not have on the big club right now

bara/brook/lehto/roberts are in the ahl cap right now

 

[Gabriel426]

How can the Leafs afford him without major salary going out?

People kept playing with CapFriendly.
Honestly, Pietra coming means one if not both of Willie and Marner need to be traded. It will bring more balance to the Leafs.
In a way, by trading away Marner and Willie, Leafs are using that cap to sign AP plus a solid Dman and another winger.

 

[biotk]

If Anderson is on his way out and only owed 1 million in real dollars. Wouldn't the Sabres be interested?

That has been my top guess. The Sabres really need to make the playoffs this year to keep Eichel happy. Freddie would give them a goalie who can play 60+ games at around a 0.918 save percentage even behind a weak defense.

 

[kb]

Perhaps. But who do you think we could get, at say, 4M or less?

Someone like Talbot, Crawford, Khodobin, or Griess. A soft trade for Mrazek perhaps?

Having said that, I would look hard at Thatcher Demko if Markstrom is going to re-sign in Vancouver. They have DiPietro waiting in the wings, and they can only protect one of Markstrom or Demko. That would save $4 million against the cap for next season.

 

[Faltorvo]

I do agree that there is a need to fill the bottom 6 with more gritter grinders who can actually still play hockey. It is crucial in the playoffs when teams tighten up and the whistles are put away.

However, Boston (and Tampa) have plenty of guys making decent money in their bottom 6 (Coyle will make 5.25 million next season, Gourde makes 5.25 million for example). A lot of them make like around 1.5 million vs the 800k toronto will have to pay players in their bottom 6/bottom pairing if they have 4 forwards and 1 defender making 60% of the cap.

I also agree that signing guys on 1 year UFA deals due to the circumstances is a good idea and will help the team in the short term. I just don't see a team spending 60% of their cap on 4 fowards and 1D having much success.

maybe you should go look,,,,,,, Coyle is in Bostons top 6

bostons bottom 6 are kase/ritche/kuraly/wagner/nordstrom/bjork a, smorgasbord of "who"s?????

Tbay Gourde is playing top 6,,,,their bottom 6 are goodrow/coleman/maroon/johnson/paquette/stephens again,,a bunch of "whos"???

 

[SeaOfBlue]

oh i see what you did,,you added guys that cap friendly does not have on the big club right now

bara/brook/lehto/roberts are in the ahl cap right now

Capfriendly also has guys like Rosen and Sandin counting on the cap though.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

maybe you should go look,,,,,,, Coyle is in Bostons top 6

bostons bottom 6 are kase/ritche/kuraly/wagner/nordstrom/bjork a, smorgasbord of "who"s?????

Tbay Gourde is playing top 6,,,,their bottom 6 are goodrow/coleman/maroon/johnson/paquette/stephens again,,a bunch of "whos"???

Coyle/Gourde have often played 3C for them in the past but I haven't been able to watch the recent series so that could be the case now but maybe not the future/past. Definitely a lot of hard working vets making ~1.5 million vs the league min the leafs would have to pay their bottom 6 if they signed Petro without moving any of the big 4 out. That's not going into defensive depth either.

 

[LeafParade]

Someone like Talbot, Crawford, Khodobin, or Griess. A soft trade for Mrazek perhaps?

Having said that, I would look hard at Thatcher Demko if Markstrom is going to re-sign in Vancouver. They have DiPietro waiting in the wings, and they can only protect one of Markstrom or Demko. That would save $4 million against the cap for next season.

Demko seems like an obvious target.
I assume Mrazek would also be available.

Demko would free up almost 4 M in cap space for a year. Then he is an RFA.

 

[kb]

I have a feeling they might talk themselves into trading Parayko. Lose Petro for nothing vs lose Parayko for an actual return + keep Petro.

I was thinking about that too. Leafs could do a futures package now for him if they move out Johnsson or Andersen.

This will get many upset, but I would offer #15 overall plus Sandin as the base. That frees up almost $5 million for the Blues, getting them much closer to what they need to resign AP, while not really hurting the Leafs in the short term.

Rielly - Parayko
Muzzin - Holl
Dermott - Liljegren/low cost UFA
Lehtonen

 

[Faltorvo]

Coyle/Gourde have often played 3C for them in the past but I haven't been able to watch the recent series so that could be the case now but maybe not the future/past. Definitely a lot of hard working vets making ~1.5 million vs the league min the leafs would have to pay their bottom 6 if they signed Petro without moving any of the big 4 out. That's not going into defensive depth either.

900k/1m is the new 1.5m in a flat cap world

dubass needs to find/add grit heart regardless

find guys hungry and willing to bleed to stay in the NHL

 

[Mess]

People kept playing with CapFriendly.
Honestly, Pietra coming means one if not both of Willie and Marner need to be traded. It will bring more balance to the Leafs.
In a way, by trading away Marner and Willie, Leafs are using that cap to sign AP plus a solid Dman and another winger.

Leafs have so little cap space at the moment that simply re-signing Dermott and Mikheyev to small raises and promoting Robertson, Lehtonen and Barabanov as well as Rodigues taking a 1/2 pay cut puts the Leafs at 23 players and uses up most of that $7.8 current space.

 

[Cor]

oh i see what you did,,you added guys that cap friendly does not have on the big club right now

bara/brook/lehto/roberts are in the ahl cap right now

Also took Rosen off, so he and Brooks are a wash. Barabanov, Lehtonen and Robertson (or equal priced equivalents) would need to be on the roster.

Unless we want to voluntarily play with just 9 forwards, it will be tough XD

 

[Stephen]

How can the Leafs afford him without major salary going out?

The deletion of Ceci, Barrie and Kapanen already represents a $10.45 million cap savings, with more potential changes to come, so you could see the Leafs reallocating a lot of that forward money into Pietrangelo, DeMelo/Bogosian/Gudas something and a few forwards to replace Kap, Johnsson and Kerfoot.

 

[Stephen]

Leafs have so little cap space at the moment that simply re-signing Dermott and Mikheyev to small raises and promoting Robertson, Lehtonen and Barabanov as well as Rodigues taking a 1/2 pay cut puts the Leafs at 23 players and uses up most of that $7.8 current space.

Or we give Mikheyev a small raise, trade Dermott for a young forward making less money than Kapanen, walk away from Rodrigues completely and continue to sell off Kerfoot and Johnsson and see what the UFA market looks like.

 

[Stephen]

If Anderson is on his way out and only owed 1 million in real dollars. Wouldn't the Sabres be interested?

Any number of teams could be interested.

 

[kb]

The deletion of Ceci, Barrie and Kapanen already represents a $10.45 million cap savings, with more potential changes to come, so you could see the Leafs reallocating a lot of that forward money into Pietrangelo, DeMelo/Bogosian/Gudas something and a few forwards to replace Kap, Johnsson and Kerfoot.

And have committed about $4.4 million of that to next years contract obligations. Without taking into account Dermott or Mickheyev's new deals.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

If Anderson is on his way out and only owed 1 million in real dollars. Wouldn't the Sabres be interested?

That is where I can see him going. Carolina is the other one out East.

 

[Mess]

The deletion of Ceci, Barrie and Kapanen already represents a $10.45 million cap savings, with more potential changes to come, so you could see the Leafs reallocating a lot of that forward money into Pietrangelo, DeMelo/Bogosian/Gudas something and a few forwards to replace Kap, Johnsson and Kerfoot.

Ceci and Barrie are not counting as their contracts end that $10. 45 mil your counting is lost with Horton and Clarkson's LTIR contract expiring also.

Leafs after the Kapanen trade have only $7.8 mil cap space [Toronto Maple Leafs - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps] for next year with only 16 players under contract and need 6 players to fill out the 23 max roster. $7.8 mil cap space / 6 remaining roster players = $1.3 mil average.

Players becoming UFAs Barrie, Ceci, Spezza, Clifford are already removed from that calculation from those above totals, and the free cap space also doesn't include Dermott, Mikheyev, Gauthier, Malgin and Rodigues all pending RFA without contracts either of which some will be re-signed and cut into that free cap.

If you want Robertson $850k, or Lehtonen $925k or Barabanov $925k on the roster then that cuts into that $7.8 mil also.

 

[Canada4Gold]

The deletion of Ceci, Barrie and Kapanen already represents a $10.45 million cap savings, with more potential changes to come, so you could see the Leafs reallocating a lot of that forward money into Pietrangelo, DeMelo/Bogosian/Gudas something and a few forwards to replace Kap, Johnsson and Kerfoot.

A lot of that 10.45 million is being used in raises to guys on the team. Muzzin will be paid 1.625 million more, Holl is getting 1.325 million more. Engvall is getting 300k more, Campbell is getting 975k more. Dermott and Mikheyev are both due raises which will probably be at least 1.5 million more combined. That's already 5.7 used up. Then there's at least 2.1 million(if league minimum) for the 3 replacement players whether that's new guys or guys who would have been on the Marlies they're being added to the cap. We were pretty close to being capped out before trading Kapanen just by the raises. That gives us a little bit of breathing room, but it's still not very much.

 

[Carltons Cup]

So Dean Blundell is reporting that Leafs and Blues working on a deal for Parayko. Mango, Lilly and #15 OA for Colton. Not sure if Blues would be sending anything else?

Take it for what it's worth.....

 

[Fogelhund]

So Dean Blundell is reporting that Leafs and Blues working on a deal for Parayko. Mango, Lilly and #15 OA for Colton. Not sure if Blues would be sending anything else?

Take it for what it's worth.....

I'd hate to lose Lilly, but man, that would be a steal of a trade.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

So Dean Blundell is reporting that Leafs and Blues working on a deal for Parayko. Mango, Lilly and #15 OA for Colton. Not sure if Blues would be sending anything else?

Take it for what it's worth.....

He's broken nothing before so... I doubt it.