Free Agents and Trade Thread - Offseason Part II

[Dreakmur]

If Lebrun is right and Petro's ask could be 7 million, I would even go up to 8.5, you absolutely need to do it.

Could clear 8.5 by moving Kapanen, Johnsson, and Kerfoot..... I think you do that if it means we sign Pietrangelo.

There's loads of UFAs for the 3rd and 4th lines, and with the cap crunch, they'll be cheap.

 

[Stephen]

Here is Leafs actual situation (post Kapanen trade) under contract for next year.

Total Cap committed 2020-21 = $73,708,533 (16 players)
Total Cap upper limit 2020-21 = $81,500,000
Free Cap Space Available = $7,791,467 ( for 7 players to 23 man roster)

Breakdown

Forwards
Matthews, Auston ........ $11,634,000
Tavares, John .................. $11,000,000
Marner, Mitchell ............ $10,893,000
Nylander, William .........$6,962,366
Kerfoot, Alexander .......$3,500,000
Johnsson, Andreas ......$3,400,000
Hyman, Zach ..................$2,250,000
Engvall, Pierre ................$1,250,000

Total 8 forwards & $50,889,366 cap

Defense
Rielly, Morgan .............. $5,000,000
Muzzin, Jake ..................$5,625,000
Holl, Justin ......................$2,000,000
Sandin, Rasmus ..........$894,167
Rosén, Calle ...................$750,000
Marincin, Martin ..........$700,000

Total 6 Dmen & $14,969,167 cap

Goalies
Andersen, Frederik ........$5,000,000
Campbell, Jack ................$1,650,000

Total 2 Goalies & $6,650,000 cap
+
Retained Salary
Kessel, Phil ......................$1,200,000

All pending RFAs or UFAs from last season are not included unless re-signed.

Delete Kerfoot, Johnsson, maybe Engvall and Andersen and things get very interesting.

 

[Dreakmur]

Delete Kerfoot, Johnsson, maybe Engvall and Andersen and things get very interesting.

Kerfoot to Detroit for their second round pick and Luke Glendening at 50% retained (900k)

Andreas Johnsson and our 4th round pick to Arizona for Lawson Crouse.

Ilya Mikheyev for 1.75 x 2
Travis Dermott for 1.25 x 1

That leaves 9.75 million to fill the following holes....

1st pair RD
4th line LW
4th line RW

Let's say you sign two of Zengus Girgensons, Tyler Pitlick, and Wayne Simmnds or 750,000 each.

That leaves 8.25 left for Pietrengelo


Zach Hyman - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
Lawson Crouse - John Tavares - William Nylander
Nick Robertson - Pierre Engvall - Ilya Mikheyev
Zemgus Girgensons - Luke Glendening - Wayne Simmonds

Morgan Rielly - Alex Pietrangelo
Jake Muzzin - Justin Holl
Mikko Lehtonen - Travis Dermott

Frederik Andersen
Jack Campbell

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Delete Kerfoot, Johnsson, maybe Engvall and Andersen and things get very interesting.

I think its best to run a CapFriendly exercise to get to the truth. Its harder than it looks. You can subtract, but you have to replace the subtracted players with something.

I gave it a whirl per #550. I put in Pietrangelo, traded AJ/Kap/Kerfoot for picks, and even with a 3rd & 4th line of bargain basement guys, I was still over. But, no need to trust me, give it a whirl and see what happens.

 

[LeafChief]

Kerfoot to Detroit for their second round pick and Luke Glendening at 50% retained (900k)

Andreas Johnsson and our 4th round pick to Arizona for Lawson Crouse.

Ilya Mikheyev for 1.75 x 2
Travis Dermott for 1.25 x 1

That leaves 9.75 million to fill the following holes....

1st pair RD
4th line LW
4th line RW

Let's say you sign two of Zengus Girgensons, Tyler Pitlick, and Wayne Simmnds or 750,000 each.

That leaves 8.25 left for Pietrengelo


Zach Hyman - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
Lawson Crouse - John Tavares - William Nylander
Nick Robertson - Pierre Engvall - Ilya Mikheyev
Zemgus Girgensons - Luke Glendening - Wayne Simmonds

Morgan Rielly - Alex Pietrangelo
Jake Muzzin - Justin Holl
Mikko Lehtonen - Travis Dermott

Frederik Andersen
Jack Campbell

Not bad. Only concerning part is the centre depth if one of the top two get hurt. Gives the team an actual fourth line. Glendening and Girgensons kill penalties too, I imagine?

 

[Mess]

Delete Kerfoot, Johnsson, maybe Engvall and Andersen and things get very interesting.

If you delete Kerfoot, Johnsson and Engval then you would have created enough cap space ($3.5 +$3.4+ $1.2 mil = $8.1 mil) to sign Pietrangelo, however then Leafs have only 5 forwards for next year Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander and Hyman under contract.

Who are the 8 other forwards you're hoping to fill out the roster with (7 starters and 1 spare) and are certainly making things interesting?

 

[Brobust]

Kerfoot to Detroit for their second round pick and Luke Glendening at 50% retained (900k)

Andreas Johnsson and our 4th round pick to Arizona for Lawson Crouse.

Ilya Mikheyev for 1.75 x 2
Travis Dermott for 1.25 x 1

That leaves 9.75 million to fill the following holes....

1st pair RD
4th line LW
4th line RW

Let's say you sign two of Zengus Girgensons, Tyler Pitlick, and Wayne Simmnds or 750,000 each.

That leaves 8.25 left for Pietrengelo


Zach Hyman - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
Lawson Crouse - John Tavares - William Nylander
Nick Robertson - Pierre Engvall - Ilya Mikheyev
Zemgus Girgensons - Luke Glendening - Wayne Simmonds

Morgan Rielly - Alex Pietrangelo
Jake Muzzin - Justin Holl
Mikko Lehtonen - Travis Dermott

Frederik Andersen
Jack Campbell

Sticking Crouse in the top 6 is a bad idea.

 

[Dreakmur]

Not bad. Only concerning part is the centre depth if one of the top two get hurt. Gives the team an actual fourth line. Glendening and Girgensons kill penalties too, I imagine?

If Tavares or Mattews get hurt, we're in trouble anyway. That's when you go for the Nylander at centre experiment.

Glendening has been Detroit's #1 PKer for 6 straight seasons. He's also an elite face-off man, rolling at about 55% in the last 5 seasons.

Girgensons has been Buffalo's #1 PKer for the last 2 seasons. I'm not sue he would be in Toronto's top two units, since Glendening, Hyman, Mikheyev, and Engvall would be a head of him,

 

[supermann_98]

If Pietrangelo can come in between 7-7.5 you absolutely bite on that

That would be incredible value. Move cash elsewhere to make it work. If some team is willing to move a 1st for Kappy maybe some other team has always had a secret crush over Johnsson and if you throw in a guy like Korshkov or something (even Dermott) you can get another 1st or legit top 4 RHD

 

[Dreakmur]

Sticking Crouse in the top 6 is a bad idea.

I think he does very well with Tavares an Nylander. He scored 15 goals last year, and not one of them was on the PP.

If he doesn't fit, swap him and Mikheyev.

 

[Morgs]

I know everyone is obsessed with the potential of getting Pietrangelo (obviously it'd be fantastic if we can somehow swing it), but what about OEL if it doesn't work out/costs too much?

A) Arizona wants to get rid of money.
B) OEL was elite (both offensively and defensively) as recently as 2017-18.
C) He's been struggling (for his standards) under the heavy defense-first system that ruins offense/transition.
D) We may be able to get Arizona to retain slightly- as well as knowing his cost (to make it fit). We don't know what Pietrangelo would cost on the open market.
E) His bloated contract, Chayka leaving, and rumours of him being potentially available could make the cost manageable.

 

[supermann_98]

So Dean Blundell is reporting that Leafs and Blues working on a deal for Parayko. Mango, Lilly and #15 OA for Colton. Not sure if Blues would be sending anything else?

Take it for what it's worth.....

That would make us instantly better (Parayko for Mango) but I admit I still had some hopes for Lilly. That #15th, as nice as it is, doesn't do jack squat for this team for at least 2 years

 

[BertCorbeau]

Could a 27 year old John Gibson be available? Anaheim seems to be in the early phases of a rebuild, so why waste his prime years? Could we use some of the Kapanen return and a kicker to acquire our next franchise goalie?

While the Ducks are looking to cut salary and rebuild, I can't see them moving Gibson.

A top 5 goalie in the league at a good cap hit for the next 8 years can backbone their rebuild quite easily.

I'd love to get him but I can't see Anaheim moving him.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I know everyone is obsessed with the potential of getting Pietrangelo (obviously it'd be fantastic if we can somehow swing it), but what about OEL if it doesn't work out/costs too much?

A) Arizona wants to get rid of money.
B) OEL was elite (both offensively and defensively) as recently as 2017-18.
C) He's been struggling (for his standards) under the heavy defense-first system that ruins offense/transition.
D) We may be able to get Arizona to retain slightly- as well as knowing his cost (to make it fit). We don't know what Pietrangelo would cost on the open market.
E) His bloated contract, Chayka leaving, and rumours of him being potentially available could make the cost manageable.

OEL would be an interesting target .. with Chayka gone, the Coyotes looking to cut salary, and being at a closer to the cap

Bonus points if you can get Crouse.

But something around OEL and Nylander might make some sense. But that loads up the Leafs' left side, and doesn't address the right side.

 

[Kiwi]

I know everyone is obsessed with the potential of getting Pietrangelo (obviously it'd be fantastic if we can somehow swing it), but what about OEL if it doesn't work out/costs too much?

A) Arizona wants to get rid of money.
B) OEL was elite (both offensively and defensively) as recently as 2017-18.
C) He's been struggling (for his standards) under the heavy defense-first system that ruins offense/transition.
D) We may be able to get Arizona to retain slightly- as well as knowing his cost (to make it fit). We don't know what Pietrangelo would cost on the open market.
E) His bloated contract, Chayka leaving, and rumours of him being potentially available could make the cost manageable.

My question would be can he play on the right with Rielly or will Rielly need to go to the right? what's he worth asset wise? Fitting his cap hit won't be easy either so we need to either send money back or dump money somewhere else, ideas on that

That's a tough needle to thread

 

[Martin Skoula]

My question would be can he play on the right with Rielly or will Rielly need to go to the right? what's he worth asset wise? Fitting his cap hit won't be easy either so we need to either send money back or dump money somewhere else, ideas on that

That's a tough needle to thread

He'd also get torn apart for his defense like Barrie did.

 

[Gallagbi]

Sticking Crouse in the top 6 is a bad idea.

You have some options with Mik and Simmonds on the roster. Possibly Robertson too.

I actually really like what's left on that roster all things considered. Likely too optimistic to happen.

Fast is a guy I think we'll pursue. He can play on your third line, kill penalties and skates well. Cost may rule him out, but I won't be surprised if Dubas goes after him

 

[Menzinger]

Can someone please explain to me the appeal of trading Andersen? I can understand the 1 year left on the deal, so it's time to decide on which way to go with him.

But why is it more often people seem to be wanting to get rid of him versus re-signing him for another 4 years?

I see three potential reasons

1) to save a bit of capspace and allow the team to use a tandem setup

2) folks worry about his ability to play well in must win games

3) it seems unlikely the team will want to resign him once he's Ufa especially if he wants a raise

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Kerfoot to Detroit for their second round pick and Luke Glendening at 50% retained (900k)

Andreas Johnsson and our 4th round pick to Arizona for Lawson Crouse.

Ilya Mikheyev for 1.75 x 2
Travis Dermott for 1.25 x 1

That leaves 9.75 million to fill the following holes....

1st pair RD
4th line LW
4th line RW

Let's say you sign two of Zengus Girgensons, Tyler Pitlick, and Wayne Simmnds or 750,000 each.

That leaves 8.25 left for Pietrengelo


Zach Hyman - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
Lawson Crouse - John Tavares - William Nylander
Nick Robertson - Pierre Engvall - Ilya Mikheyev
Zemgus Girgensons - Luke Glendening - Wayne Simmonds

Morgan Rielly - Alex Pietrangelo
Jake Muzzin - Justin Holl
Mikko Lehtonen - Travis Dermott

Frederik Andersen
Jack Campbell

Is Phil Kessel's $1.2 m in there?

 

[Morgs]

OEL would be an interesting target .. with Chayka gone, the Coyotes looking to cut salary, and being at a closer to the cap

Bonus points if you can get Crouse.

But something around OEL and Nylander might make some sense. But that loads up the Leafs' left side, and doesn't address the right side.

My question would be can he play on the right with Rielly or will Rielly need to go to the right? what's he worth asset wise? Fitting his cap hit won't be easy either so we need to either send money back or dump money somewhere else, ideas on that

That's a tough needle to thread

I don't think it would cost Nylander- especially because Nylander doesn't fit Tocchet's system.

But yes, OEL plays the right side. He's better on the left and it might force Rielly to the right, but it's adding a former elite defenseman to a system that would suit exactly how he should play.

 

[Menzinger]

Crouse would be an interesting pick up.

Cash strapped Arizona seems like it will be shedding salary in the coivd Era too

 

[Dreakmur]

Is Phil Kessel's $1.2 m in there?

Yes it is.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Sticking Crouse in the top 6 is a bad idea.

For now. Crouse is a bit of a wildcard. He could take that step forward like Tom Wilson has done, or just sputter as a bottom 6 player likely ending up as a 4th line grinder.

If they can sneak him away for cheap I think it's worth the game since he has control right now.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I don't think it would cost Nylander- especially because Nylander doesn't fit Tocchet's system.

But yes, OEL plays the right side. He's better on the left and it might force Rielly to the right, but it's adding a former elite defenseman to a system that would suit exactly how he should play.

Arizona could be ripe for a picking though under a new GM and ownership meddling in wanting to win now. Maybe they want to go more offensive minded.

Who knows.

 

[Kiwi]

I don't think it would cost Nylander- especially because Nylander doesn't fit Tocchet's system.

But yes, OEL plays the right side. He's better on the left and it might force Rielly to the right, but it's adding a former elite defenseman to a system that would suit exactly how he should play.

I've got no problem with the player or how he plays I'm just wondering how he's going to fit cap wise and who's switching to the right