Free Agents and Trade Thread - Offseason Part II

[Ziggdiezan]

Let's say Petro signs for 9 million. That would mean the leafs have 49.5 million tied up in 4 fowards and 1 defender. That is 60% of the cap tied up in 5 players and will stay that way for the next few years..... I honestly do not understand how people think you could build a successful team with that makeup. The depth would be non-existent on both defense and forwards.

With a flat cap for the next few seasons we would forsure see Rielly, Anderson, Hyman etc all walk and likely guys like Sandin/Lily will be hard to fit in with Muzzin tied up for the next 4 seasons too.

Just doesn't make sense to me at all to add another high salary player without moving a high salary player out. I would much rather sign/trade for 2 RDs that make a combined 9 million than sign 1 RD for 9 million, regardless how good they are.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

If it's a $7 million AAV for Pietrangelo, I think you just bite the bullet and make it happen.

It would also average the Tavares/Pietrangelo UFA buys down to $9 million per, which brings up the level of quality on the roster but at similar dollars paid as Tampa's Stamkos/Hedman pairing.

If it is 7 million you 100% sign him and see what value you can get for Nylander. Subbing in Petro+assets for Nylander at even cap hits seems like a no brainer

 

[Cor]

If 8.5M is a realistic number for Pietrangelo, I think that increases are chances a lot.

 

[Faltorvo]

Approved.

Rielly-Pietrangelo
Muzzin-Holl
Lehtonen or Sandin or Dermott-Gudas
Bogosian

naw,,,, i have no use for holl

0 grit,,,barely uses his size

we will have Sand/lill in time that already fills our 0 grit quota

riel/derm have a bit of grit but kinda mid sized

need 3 more D with size/grit attitude and skill level to fill their slot

 

[Faltorvo]

Approved.

Rielly-Pietrangelo
Muzzin-Holl
Lehtonen or Sandin or Dermott-Gudas
Bogosian

 

[The Podium]

If it's a $7 million AAV for Pietrangelo, I think you just bite the bullet and make it happen.

It would also average the Tavares/Pietrangelo UFA buys down to $9 million per, which brings up the level of quality on the roster but at similar dollars paid as Tampa's Stamkos/Hedman pairing.

If Pietrangelo can come in between 7-7.5 you absolutely bite on that

 

[Tony Romo]

I think it'll be more 8-9. But interesting that Lebrun thinks it could be as low as 7.

Maybe we actually get a discount this time???

 

[Faltorvo]

Let's say Petro signs for 9 million. That would mean the leafs have 49.5 million tied up in 4 fowards and 1 defender. That is 60% of the cap tied up in 5 players and will stay that way for the next few years..... I honestly do not understand how people think you could build a successful team with that makeup. The depth would be non-existent on both defense and forwards.

With a flat cap for the next few seasons we would forsure see Rielly, Anderson, Hyman etc all walk and likely guys like Sandin/Lily will be hard to fit in with Muzzin tied up for the next 4 seasons too.

Just doesn't make sense to me at all to add another high salary player without moving a high salary player out. I would much rather sign/trade for 2 RDs that make a combined 9 million than sign 1 RD for 9 million, regardless how good they are.

what effn depth???

i keep reading this GARBAGE over and over again

go look at bostons bottom 6 or Tbays

they don't produce points,,,but they grind/hit/hurt/tussle/hussle

in a flat cap, you look for guys dying to save their careers , willing to eat glass to earn a nhl check.
fill it with league min/1.2m players

 

[LeafChief]

If Pietrangelo's AAV starts wit a 7 you do it. Figure out the rest later. We have internal options to replace Johnsson and we'll have to do some bargain bin hunting to replace Kerfoot. We also obtain futures for Kerfoot and Kapanen in the process.

The Kapanen trade shows us that we should at the least be able to get 2nd rounders + for each of them. Maybe more.

 

[Cor]

Messing around on capfriendly, even at 8.5M, it's tough to do

 

[LeafChief]

Where did Lebrun say he expects Pietrangelo to get between 7-8 AAV? Was it on TV or in an article?

 

[Martin Skoula]

what effn depth???

i keep reading this GARBAGE over and over again

go look at bostons bottom 6 or Tbays

they don't produce points,,,but they grind/hit/hurt/tussle/hussle

in a flat cap, you look for guys dying to save their careers , willing to eat glass to earn a nhl check.
fill it with league min/1.2m players

More importantly have your system keep turning up Cirelli/Cernak/Paquette types for free.

 

[Faltorvo]

Messing around on capfriendly, even at 8.5M, it's tough to do

and who did you not trade out?

 

[Cor]

Messing around on capfriendly, even at 8.5M, it's tough to do

To clarify,

Even if we dealt Kerfoot, Johnsson and Engvall away in trades for picks/prospects, and then assumed roster spots for Robertson, Lehtonen and Barabanov, as well as Marincin (700K) being our only spare D, and Brooks (725K) being our spare F, due to them being the cheapest options and below the 750K minimum;

We would have 13.266M to;
- Sign Pietrangelo
- Re-Sign Mikheyev
- Fill out 4 more forward spots.

I don't see how that happens with Pietrangelo at 8.5 or even 8M, without finding a cheaper starter as well

 

[Ziggdiezan]

what effn depth???

i keep reading this GARBAGE over and over again

go look at bostons bottom 6 or Tbays

they don't produce points,,,but they grind/hit/hurt/tussle/hussle

in a flat cap, you look for guys dying to save their careers , willing to eat glass to earn a nhl check.
fill it with league min/1.2m players

I do agree that there is a need to fill the bottom 6 with more gritter grinders who can actually still play hockey. It is crucial in the playoffs when teams tighten up and the whistles are put away.

However, Boston (and Tampa) have plenty of guys making decent money in their bottom 6 (Coyle will make 5.25 million next season, Gourde makes 5.25 million for example). A lot of them make like around 1.5 million vs the 800k toronto will have to pay players in their bottom 6/bottom pairing if they have 4 forwards and 1 defender making 60% of the cap.

I also agree that signing guys on 1 year UFA deals due to the circumstances is a good idea and will help the team in the short term. I just don't see a team spending 60% of their cap on 4 fowards and 1D having much success.

 

[Pinkcat]

Messing around on capfriendly, even at 8.5M, it's tough to do

 

[Doublerum1975]

ya i do know he is not a AHL player

that's what i posted there

I’m sorry I misread what you said I thought you were insulting me but it was other leaf fans you were talking about

 

[ToneDog]

i think it would take 8.5m per minimum

Compared to Doughty and Eriksson, 8.5 would be a bargain. It will come down to how much he wants to come home if the Blues allow him to walk. Remember they extended Faulk for big bucks with a full NTC. It might take an act of God to move that contract and probably why they may have to pass on Petro.

 

[Faltorvo]

To clarify,

Even if we dealt Kerfoot, Johnsson and Engvall away in trades for picks/prospects, and then assumed roster spots for Robertson, Lehtonen and Barabanov, as well as Marincin (700K) being our only spare D, and Brooks (725K) being our spare F, due to them being the cheapest options and below the 750K minimum;

We would have 13.266M to;
- Sign Pietrangelo
- Re-Sign Mikheyev
- Fill out 4 more forward spots.

I don't see how that happens with Pietrangelo at 8.5 or even 8M, without finding a cheaper starter as well

what exactly do you think career 8 goal 23 point Mik is worth??

7.8m + 6.9m(kerf/johns) = 14.7m cap space + 700k(drop rosen to ahl)= 15.4m cap space

 

[kb]

We can't afford Pietrangelo. People need to get this out of their minds. If we sign him then we have league min players filling out our bottom six forwards and bottom three defensemen. We'd have no money to pay Hyman next year or give Rielly a raise in two seasons. We don't need another high-priced player who either doesn't or only just barely earns his contract -- we need to find cheaper guys that we can get the most out of.

I'd also like to see us try and bring Leivo back. He'd be a solid and cheap option for the third line and allow us to move Johnsson.

Thats.....an idea. But it actually moves the needle in the worn direction.

 

[kb]

Compared to Doughty and Eriksson, 8.5 would be a bargain. It will come down to how much he wants to come home if the Blues allow him to walk. Remember they extended Fault for big bucks with a full NTC. It might take an act of God to move that contract and probably why they may have to pass on Petro.

They are in tight. $79.5 million committed for next year with Pietrangelo and Dunn to sign. In this flat cap world, they can kiss AP goodbye.

 

[kb]

To clarify,

Even if we dealt Kerfoot, Johnsson and Engvall away in trades for picks/prospects, and then assumed roster spots for Robertson, Lehtonen and Barabanov, as well as Marincin (700K) being our only spare D, and Brooks (725K) being our spare F, due to them being the cheapest options and below the 750K minimum;

We would have 13.266M to;
- Sign Pietrangelo
- Re-Sign Mikheyev
- Fill out 4 more forward spots.

I don't see how that happens with Pietrangelo at 8.5 or even 8M, without finding a cheaper starter as well

If you get AP, you move Andersen, and sign a low cost vet and run a tandem. There are options in UFA.

 

[Cor]

what exactly do you think career 8 goal 23 point Mik is worth??

7.8m + 6.9m(kerf/johns) = 14.7m cap space + 700k(drop rosen to ahl)= 15.4m cap space

I haven't gauged value or signed anyone. This roster outline, which has Kerfoot, Johnsson, and Engvall all hypothetically traded for futures, is all existing contracts.

It has $13,266,467 in cap room left. As I said, it requires;

- Pietrangelo signed
- Mikheyev re-signed
- 4 other forwards on the roster.

 

[Brobust]

They are in tight. $79.5 million committed for next year with Pietrangelo and Dunn to sign. In this flat cap world, they can kiss AP goodbye.

I have a feeling they might talk themselves into trading Parayko. Lose Petro for nothing vs lose Parayko for an actual return + keep Petro.

 

[Cor]

If you get AP, you move Andersen, and sign a low cost vet and run a tandem. There are options in UFA.

Perhaps. But who do you think we could get, at say, 4M or less?