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GDT: Free Agent Friend-Z Part III - Moore please?

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SA16 said:
We should get rid of Biron. 1.3M is too much for a backup goalie who rarely needs to play given that we have Lundqvist.
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If we are careful, we can probably get by w/Talbot.
His glove hand seems fast enough, IMO.
Rest of his game needs work, but if he plays mostly vs. weaker teams, gets dedicated training up here, stays sharp doing most of the practice load, we might be able to go there. And save 1.3 vs. the minimum to start.
 
SA16 said:
We should get rid of Biron. 1.3M is too much for a backup goalie who rarely needs to play given that we have Lundqvist.
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Biron will play over 20 games this season. The value he provides to keep Lundqvist fresher for the playoffs is well worth $1.3m.
 
Tawnos said:
I wouldn't be so quick to say we're going to be trading anyone just yet. We have $16m in cap to work with for our RFAs for the rest of the summer. Hagelin and Callahan will be on LTIR at the beginning of the year, unless the team is under the Cap anyway. There isn't a worry in offer sheets here. Pyatt, Asham, Powe are just as likely to all be Rangers at camp than not, at the moment.
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Capspace for 2013/2014 (19 players signed) - $11,855,833

There is not enough $$ left for resigning all the RFAs come the start of the season
Summer cap is no problem though
You are right there
But there will be movement
Now or later
 
Janerixon said:
You are correct with a lot of your points and as you said he is not a playmaker, which is why he needs to play with someone who can create plays for line mates. Once Callahan comes back I'd like to see this for our lines
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Richards-Brassard-Callahan
Boyle-Moore-Zuccarello
Pyatt-Lindberg/Powe-Asham/Haley

That does not include Hags, but playing Boyle on the wing with Moore and Zucc gives us a 3rd line that can put up some points and I just saw we signed Pouliot which changes things!
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Zuccarello makes some sense with Boyle--Mats is more the playmaker than the goal scorer unless it's shootout time. He has the creativity thing that Boyle lacks and Boyle's size, wingspan and defensive acumen helps to cover some of Zucc's weaknesses.

Personally I think Pyatt is a waste. Big guy--not much presence or scoring and a bottom liner who isn't tough and doesn't kill penalties. I like Asham and I think he serves a purpose but his skating isn't all there. He's basically just on a straight line--does not cover enough ice. Powe--you don't score at all?--WTF! No goals--no assists. I get that he's a decent pk'er and not a bad forechecker but even Jed Ortmeyer used to score once in a while.
 
Tawnos said:
Khudobin isn't as good as Biron.
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He's a fine goalie, the difference becomes minimal in a small sample that he would play - 20 games max (plus highly increased variance due to small sample) - and the extra 500k savings could be used for a player who can impact the team in a more meaningful matter.
 
BBKers said:
Capspace for 2013/2014 (19 players signed) - $11,855,833

There is not enough $$ left for resigning all the RFAs come the start of the season
Summer cap is no problem though
You are right there
But there will be movement
Now or later
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Things completely change when the summer ends. Players will get put on LTIR, buried, two-way contracts hit for their full cap, etc. Once the three forwards get signed, the Rangers will have 15 forwards on their roster. 2 will get buried or traded for at least $1.8m in extra cap space. Or they won't, because Cally and Hagelin will be on LTIR.
 
BBKers said:
Totally agree

Care to call it anyone?

RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS 2013 (7)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos| Player|Caphit 2013| Status| Team| Drafted
1| D | McDonagh, Ryan (ELC) | $1,300,000* |Qualified| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #12 Montreal (2007)
2| F | Stepan, Derek (ELC)|$875,000 |Qualified|New York Rangers/NHL|R2 #51 NYR (2008)
3| F | Hagelin, Carl (ELC) | $875,000* | Qualified| New York Rangers/NHL |R6 #168 NYR (2007)
4| D | Falk, Justin| $825,000 | Qualified| Minnesota Wild/NHL | R4 #110 Minnesota Wild (2007)
5| F | Zuccarello, Mats| $700,000 |Qualified| New York Rangers/NHL | Undrafted
6| D | Niemi, Jyri (ELC) | $700,000*| Qualified??| Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL| R3 #72 NYI (2008)
7| F | Mashinter, Brandon |$550,000|Qualified | Connecticut Whale/AHL | Undrafted[/table]

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS 2013 (9)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos| Player| Caphit 2013| Status| Team 2014| Drafted
1| F| Clowe, Ryan | $3,625,000 | UFA 2013| New Jersey Devils/NHL| R6 #175 San Jose (2001)
2| D| Hamrlik, Roman | $3,500,000 | UFA 2013| ??| R1 #1 Washington (1992)
3 |D| Sauer, Michael | $1,250,000 | UFA 2013| ?? (Retired) |R2 #40 NYR (2005)
4| D| Eminger, Steve | $750,000 | UFA 2013| ??| R1 #12 Washington (2002)
5| D | Gilroy, Matt| $650,000 | UFA 2013| ?? | Undrafted
6| D | Collins, Sean | $600,000 | UFA 2013| ??| Undrafted
7| D | Pyett, Logan | $600,000| UFA 2013| ??| R7 #212 Detroit (2006)
8| F | Segal, Brandon| $550,000 | UFA 2013| ?? | R4 #102 Nashville (2002)
9| D| Vernace, Mike | $525,000| UFA 2013| ??| R7 #201 San Jose (2004)[/table]


PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS 2013-2014 (42)
NEW YORK RANGERS (19)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos| Player| Caphit| Status| Team| Drafted
1| F| Brassard, Derick | $3,200,000 | RFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #6 Columbus Blue Jackets (2006)
2| D | Del Zotto, M. | $2,550,000 | RFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #20 NYR (2008)
3| F | Kreider, Chris (ELC)| $1,325,000* | RFA 2014|New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #19 NYR (2009)
4| D| Moore, John (ELC)| $965,000 | RFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #21 Columbus Blue Jackets (2009)
5| G | Lundqvist, Henrik | $6,875,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R7 #208 NYR (2000)
6| F | Callahan, Ryan | $4,275,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL| R4 #127 NYR (2004)
7| D| Girardi, Dan | $3,325,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | Undrafted
8| D| Stralman, Anton| $1,700,000| UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R7 #216 Toronto (2005)
9| F| Boyle, Brian| $1,700,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #26 Los Angeles (2003)
10| F | Pyatt, Taylor | $1,550,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #8 New York Isles (1999)
11| F | Pouliot, Benoit | $1,300,000 | UFA 2014| Tampa Bay Lightening/NHL| R1 #4 Minnesota Wild (2005)
12| G |Biron, Martin | $1,300,000 |UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #16 Buffalo (1995)
13| F | Powe, Darroll | $1,066,667 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | Undrafted
14| F | Asham, Arron | $1,000,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R3 #71 Montreal (1996)
15| F | Moore, Dominic | $1,000,000 | UFA 2014| San Jose Sharks/NHL(2012) | R4 #95 NYR (2000)
16| D | Staal, Marc | $3,975,000 | UFA 2015| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #12 NYR (2005)
17| F| Dorsett, Derek | $1,633,333 | UFA 2015| New York Rangers/NHL| R7 #189 Columbus Blue Jackets (2006)
18| F | Nash, Rick (NMC) | $7,800,000 | UFA 2019| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #1 Columbus (2002)
19| F | Richards, Brad (NMC) | $6,666,667 | UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL| R3 #64 Tampa Bay (1998)[/table]

Capspace for 2013/2014 (19 players) - $11,855,833

Assigned to AHL/ECHL (23)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos| Player| Caphit| Status| Team| Drafted
20| F | Kristo, Danny (ELC)| $1,300,000* | RFA 2014| Hamilton Bulldogs/AHL| R2 #56 Montreal Canadians (2008)
21| F | Jean, Kyle (ELC)| $925,000* | RFA 2014| Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
22| F | Bourque, Ryan (ELC) | $900,000* | RFA 2014| Connecticut Whale/AHL| R3 #80 NYR (2009)
23| G | Missiaen, Jason (ELC) | $750,000* |RFA 2014 | Connecticut Whale/AHL|Undrafted
24| G | Stajcer, Scott (ELC)| $700,000* | RFA 2014| Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL|R5 #140 NYR (2009)
25| F | Wilson, Jason (ELC)| $588,333 | RFA 2014| Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL| R5 #130 NYR (2010)
26| D | Bickel, Stu| $750,000| UFA 2014| Connecticut Whale/AHL | Undrafted
27| F | Haley, Micheal| $600,000 | UFA 2014| Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
28| D | Johnson, Aaron| $600,000 | UFA 2014| Boston Bruins/NHL| R3 #85 Columbus Blue Jackets (2001)
29| D | Syrvet, Danny | $587,500 |UFA 2014 |Adirondack Phantoms/AHL| R3 #81 Edmonton Oilers (2005)
30| D | McIlrath, Dylan (ELC)| $1,295,000* | RFA 2015 | Connecticut Whale/AHL|R1 #10 NYR (2010)
31| F | Miller, J.T. (ELC)| $1,244,167* | RFA 2015 | Connecticut Whale/AHL| R1 #15 NYR (2011)
32| F | Fast(h), Jesper (ELC) | $900,000* |RFA 2015| Connecticut Whale/AHL|R6 #157 NYR (2010)
33| F | Yogan, Andrew (ELC)| $800,000* | RFA 2015 | Connecticut Whale/AHL| R4 #100 NYR (2010)
34| F | Lindberg, Oscar (ELC) | $760,000* |RFA 2015|Team Sweden| R2 #57 PHX (2010)
35| F | Hrivik, Marek (ELC)| $685,000* | RFA 2015 |Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
36| G | Talbot, Cameron | $562,600 | UFA 2015| Connecticut Whale/AHL| undrafted
37| D | Allen, Connor (ELC)| $1,775,000*| RFA 2016|UMass/NCAA|undrafted
38| D | Hughes, Tommy (ELC)| $608,333| RFA 2016|Juniors - London Knights/OHL|undrafted
39| F | Nicholls, J. (ELC)| $709,167 | RFA 2016| Juniors - Saskatoon Blades/WHL |R7 #182 Toronto Maple Leafs (2010)
40| D | Noreau, Samuel (ELC) |$685,000 |RFA 2016| Juniors - Baie-Comeau Drakkar/LHJMQ |R5 #136 NYR(2011)
41| F | St. Croix, M. (ELC)| $665,000 | RFA 2016| Juniors - Edmonton Oil Kings/WHL |R4 #106 NYR (2011)
42| F | Kantor, Michael (ELC)| $583,333| RFA 2016| Juniors - Sudbury Wolves/OHL|Undrafted
[/table]

Players still unsigned but with rights retained by NYR (there are likely a few more here I believe)
[table="head;width=2500]Pos| Player|Team| Drafted
D |Pashnin, Mikhail| HC Lokomotiv Yaroslavl/KHL |R7 #200 NYR (2009)
F |Fogarty, Steven| Notre Dame Fighting Irish/NCAA| R3 #72 NYR (2011)
D |Skjei, Brady | Minnesota Golden Gophers/NCAA |R1 #28 NYR (2012)
F |Nieves, Cristoval | Michigan Wolverines/NCAA| R2 #59 NYR (2012)
D |Andersson, Calle| Malmö /HA | R4 #119 NYR (2012)
F |Spelling, Thomas| Oskarshamn/HA | R5 #142 NYR(2012)
F |Adam Tambellini | North Dakota/NCAA |R3 #65 NYR(2013)
F |Pavel Buchnevich | Cherepovets/KHL |R3 #75 NYR(2013)
F |Anthony Duclair | Quebec/QMJHL |R3 #80 NYR(2013)
D |Ryan Graves | PEI/QMJHL |R4 #110 NYR(2013)
G|Mackenzie Skapski | Kootenay/WHL |R6 #170 NYR(2013)[/table]
* - includes bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract

2014 Draft picks
  • 1st round NYR
  • 2nd round NYR
  • 3rd round NYR
  • 4th round NYR
  • 5th round Florida (for Casey Wellman)
  • 6th round NYR
  • 7th round NYR*

  • NO 5th rounder NYR traded to San Jose for Ryan Clowe in 2013 - conditions being if he does not resign with NYR - then San Jose gets the 5th pick.
  • Eventually NO 7th rounder (conditionally traded to San Jose along with Tommy "horror-movie" Grant for Brandon Mashinter 2013 - condition being if he resigns with NYR then San Jose gets the pick). B. Mashinter has now been qualified - likely meaning this pick is going to San José
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Great job as usual with the helpful tables.
Think I remember someone saying Niemi, Jyri is buh-bye.

The dust is still clearing. By mid next week we can see who are our best trading partners for who we are willing to move, the usual suspects, MDZ/Boyle.

I see WinJets as possible as to Burmi to us. Hoping there is a middle ground we can both live with.

Chicago has too many options not to do a deal w/us either.
That requires a fresh look.

LA has assets for us; do we have D for them, now that Scuderi is buh bye?
That should be some kind of match, but not sure.

The unlikely but possible scenario is a surprise by a team like Buffalo if they make massive overpayment offer for favorite son Callahan (a no, unless it is, as I said, massive enough).
 
SA16 said:
He's a fine goalie, the difference becomes minimal in a small sample that he would play - 20 games max (plus highly increased variance due to small sample) - and the extra 500k savings could be used for a player who can impact the team in a more meaningful matter.
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Biron impacts the team in a meaningful manner
 
If Vigneault is the kind of coach that just runs with the starter no matter what then it makes some sense to look for a cheaper backup or bring up your best AHL goalie. If there are 20 some starts for the backup then keeping Biron makes the most sense. There is the variable of how the team is doing. Last year Biron hardly played because the Rangers needed to scrap for every point they could get. A coach's goaltending decisions can hinge on that.
 
eco's bones said:
If Vigneault is the kind of coach that just runs with the starter no matter what then it makes some sense to look for a cheaper backup or bring up your best AHL goalie. If there are 20 some starts for the backup then keeping Biron makes the most sense. There is the variable of how the team is doing. Last year Biron hardly played because the Rangers needed to scrap for every point they could get. A coach's goaltending decisions can hinge on that.
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I believe the shortened season played a bigger role in how little playing time Biron got than anything else. No goalie has one the Cup in years when playing more than 62 games in the regular season. Most people believe that this isn't coincidence. This year, there was no worry about that.
 
bernmeister said:
Great job as usual with the helpful tables.
Think I remember someone saying Niemi, Jyri is buh-bye.

The dust is still clearing. By mid next week we can see who are our best trading partners for who we are willing to move, the usual suspects, MDZ/Boyle.

I see WinJets as possible as to Burmi to us. Hoping there is a middle ground we can both live with.

Chicago has too many options not to do a deal w/us either.
That requires a fresh look.

LA has assets for us; do we have D for them, now that Scuderi is buh bye?
That should be some kind of match, but not sure.

The unlikely but possible scenario is a surprise by a team like Buffalo if they make massive overpayment offer for favorite son Callahan (a no, unless it is, as I said, massive enough).
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Yes, Niemi signed in Finland and then we didn't qualify him. He's gone.
 
bernmeister said:
Great job as usual with the helpful tables.
Think I remember someone saying Niemi, Jyri is buh-bye.

The dust is still clearing. By mid next week we can see who are our best trading partners for who we are willing to move, the usual suspects, MDZ/Boyle.

I see WinJets as possible as to Burmi to us. Hoping there is a middle ground we can both live with.

Chicago has too many options not to do a deal w/us either.
That requires a fresh look.

LA has assets for us; do we have D for them, now that Scuderi is buh bye?
That should be some kind of match, but not sure.

The unlikely but possible scenario is a surprise by a team like Buffalo if they make massive overpayment offer for favorite son Callahan (a no, unless it is, as I said, massive enough).
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I saw it with the beat writers regarding Niemi being a goner. But he stills remains an RFA on cap geek... Time will tell
 
I like what Sather's done so far; we have some security in case the youngin's don't do as well as we're hoping, all only 1 year, and cheap.
 
Tawnos said:
Pronger is a 35+ contract. He hits their cap the same on LTIR.
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All contracts hit the same on LTIR. 35+ has nothing to do with it.

The difference is if he were to retire. They would still be hit with the cap hit, but would be unable to replace him via LTIR.
 
personal bias in me doesn't want to see MDZ go. All this cap issue and need for trade to open up some space is nerve racking for me :laugh: I didn't mind keeping Pyatt but now, trade that ****er for future considerations! :laugh:
 
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