GDT: Free Agent Friend-Z Part III - Moore please?

[Frolic and DeTorts]

Just spitballin here.

Would you guys rather have Zuccarello or Brunner as a top 6 forward?

If you could get both at a pretty similar price, I think I'd go with Brunner. Right handed shot (Vigneault talked about having RH shots for the PP) and from what I saw in the playoffs for the Wings, looks like a pretty good PP QB with a cannon of a shot.

Thoughts?

I like Brunner...but Zucc.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Zuccarello would cost half the money and I'd rather have him over Brunner even not considering money.

Zuccarello is small, but has the capacity to create and make plays on his own. Brunner had the benefit of playing with Datsyuk or Zetterberg almost all season. We may be able to catch lightning in a bottle with Brunner, but that's still a risk. I go with the guy who's played here on and off for 2 years and developed some chemistry with some players here.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Brunner is a fantastic finisher. Great shot, good hands.

He does not have nearly the passing skill, vision, and creativity that Zuccarello has, though. He creates plays. Brunner finishes them.

One could argue the Rangers need a finisher more sore than a creator, but personally, I'll stick with Zuccs.

 

[Green Blob*]

Answer is Zucc

 

[mcsauer2738]

So what is our projected lineup next year?

Hags-Stepan-Nash
Zucc-Richards-Cally
Kreider-Brassard-JT Miller
Pouliot-Moore-Dorsett/Pyatt/Asham/Powe/Haley ??

McD-Girardi
Staal- Stralman
Del Z- Moore

Honestly I have no idea haha.

 

[Green Blob*]

So what is our projected lineup next year?

Hags-Stepan-Nash
Zucc-Richards-Cally
Kreider-Brassard-JT Miller
Pouliot-Moore-Dorsett/Pyatt/Asham/Powe/Haley ??

McD-Girardi
Staal- Stralman
Del Z- Moore

Honestly I have no idea haha.

Miller AHL, Pouliot 3rd liner.

 

[Burlington Bomb 26]

Just spitballin here.

Would you guys rather have Zuccarello or Brunner as a top 6 forward?

If you could get both at a pretty similar price, I think I'd go with Brunner. Right handed shot (Vigneault talked about having RH shots for the PP) and from what I saw in the playoffs for the Wings, looks like a pretty good PP QB with a cannon of a shot.

Thoughts?

Hmm...

It's funny because they would actually be a pretty great duo.

 

[slipknottin]

So what is our projected lineup next year?

Hags-Stepan-Nash
Zucc-Richards-Cally
Kreider-Brassard-JT Miller
Pouliot-Moore-Dorsett/Pyatt/Asham/Powe/Haley ??

McD-Girardi
Staal- Stralman
Del Z- Moore

Honestly I have no idea haha.

No Cally or Hags for at least a month to start the season

 

[darko]

@aaronward_nhl: Derek Roy agrees to terms with St Louis Blues 1year/4 M total #TSN

Great deal for Blues. Cant believe no one offered Roy more than a year.

 

[Janerixon]

Stepan is a bona fide #1 center? Before you go annointing him as a #1 center,(when in reality he is more like a borderline #2 center), can we let him play an 82 game schedule and hope he produces the way he did in an abbreviated season last year?

You can't possibly expect Stepan to line up against the Crosby's, Giroux's, Stamkos and Tavares of the league(all "bona fide" #1's) on a night in and night out basis!

You should rethink your statement about Stepan.

Since when do we play our top line against 1st lines? Do you even watch the Rangers or just post nonsense? We employ what is called a checking line, usually it consisted of the 3rd line with Brian Boyle at center and an array of wingers since Torts changed his lines every period and he would try to match up McDonagh and Girardi on defense. It is called a match up, very rarely did our #1 line go against other teams top lines especially at home.

I can recall so many games this season where Hagelin-Stepan-Nash were up against the Crosby, Giroux, Stamkos, etc...

You should just THINK about the purpose of a #1 center as it usually does not entail going up against top lines, that's what a checking line is for.

 

[Janerixon]

But we got the best center depth in the league! Stepan, Brassard, Richards, Boyle, Moore, Powe, Miller, Lindberg duh!

Another great post from Clowe Knows Best! You should really work on your reading comprehension because if you think that is what I said you clearly cannot read.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Another great post from Clowe Knows Best! You should really work on your reading comprehension because if you think that is what I said you clearly cannot read.

Buddy, if you can't detect sarcasm I don't know what to tell ya. I'm just trying to put it out there that this board over hypes and overrates its own players. Sorry, I don't drink the kool aid

 

[Kershaw]

Buddy, if you can't detect sarcasm I don't know what to tell ya. I'm just trying to put it out there that this board over hypes and overrates its own players. Sorry, I don't drink the kool aid

I see Stepan as a building block, ideally a high-end 2C on a legit contender. The others I'm not completely sold on. Center depth is the most important facet in building a team besides the goalie IMO. Right now I feel the Rangers are average to above average.

 

[RangerBoy]

Larry Brooks is speculating about Zuccarello

The Rangers may not have space for him. Cap wise and roster size.

Then there would be Zuccarello, for sure, if the Blueshirts have space for him under the cap. Which they did until they signed Pouliot, who is bigger and a better skater than the Norwegian, though not nearly as creative or handy, but may not have now.

But Zuccarello’s fit is iffy now. And the winger, whose late-season addition to the lineup played an important role in the Rangers’ drive to a playoff spot, could face (and clear) waivers once Callahan and Hagelin become fit for duty. This would clearly be unpalatable for him at age 26.

So Zuccarello could make the choice himself to sign up for certainty in Europe rather than return to the uncertainly presented by the Rangers in the wake of the signing of Pouliot.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/zucc_may_take_wing_rTORg1A4z7PvzLZdG4AoMM/1

None of these guys know what the Rangers are planning. Outside of Sather,Gorton,Schoenfeld,Clark and AV,the rest of us are in the dark including the media.

Can the Rangers trade Zuccarello? He is 2 years away from group III. The Rangers get compensation in return and he gets a chance to play in the NHL.

Brett Cyrgalis of the Post received the email from Ben Hankinson

It is believed McDonagh is looking for a deal between four and six years at around $5 million per, which is just about the maximum of what the Rangers would be able to pay in their current state of salary-cap restriction. If a team with money to spend and the cap space to spare decided to throw McDonagh a longer offer of more value, it could force the Rangers into either matching — thereby crippling their remaining space under the cap — or allowing him to leave with the compensation of draft picks commensurate with the monetary value of the new club’s offer.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rang...xpIOtm0BoN?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Rangers

The New York Post guys can't stop writing about offer sheets. Rupert Murdoch treats the Post union like **** and these guys can't stop talking about offer sheets.

Brooks wrote $4.5M-$5M for McDonagh. Shattenkirk got $17M for 4 years. $4.25M. 6 years and $27M for McDonagh. $4.5M. McDonagh is 3 years away from group III.

So many teams have so much money spent. There will be more crazy movement of players in trades. The teams which have money need it to re-sign their own players. The team which have room have already spent up to their budget. Then there are teams which have room and are willing to spend.

The Blues are up against it

With Roy’s signing, the Blues have a payroll of $56.4 million, which leaves them approximately $8 million under the NHL salary cap ($64.3 million). The club still has restricted free agents Alex Pietrangelo, Chris Stewart and Jake Allen to sign.

Teams can exceed the ceiling by 10 percent in the summer but must be below it by the start of the season.

“I think we’re going to be able to get everyone under the umbrella,†Armstrong said, “and if need be, we have very valuable pieces — if we have to move players, that’s not going to be an issue finding a home for them.â€

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hock...cle_8955bc1a-4ef9-5423-93fe-49e84ab88ae6.html

The Blues can shed Perron($3,812,500) for futures to free up space.

The Rangers aren't in position to add significant dollars. Maybe if they had amnestied Richards like they should have done,the Rangers could have been in position to add a quality player in a trade. Big mistake.

The Red Wings have a million forwards signed too. They want to re-sign Cleary.

 

[RangerBoy]

Brunner wants $3M-$3.5M. Where the Rangers finding that money? People keep bringing up all of these players but the Rangers don't have the money to sign them.

 

[I Eat Crow]

McDonagh will sign soon. Lock him up long term. 6 years, 24-27 million sounds about right. He'll get more than Staal but not by much.

Stepan is next. Sather may have no choice but to give Stepan a 2 year bridge contract. Re-assess his value in two years once the team gets past Summer 2014 when they have a lot of key free agents to bring back. 2 years, 6-7.5 million.

Ditto for Hagelin, he'll sign for less. 2 or 3 years at 4-6million, depending on contract length.

That leaves the Rangers 1-1.5 million to re-sign Zuccarello. It will be tight, but it's definitely doable. This is all going under the assumption that they go to war with what they have now. I'm in the camp that this team still will make a trade for another forward.

 

[Ola]

There is no reason to expect Zucc to play before he hits the ice. Nothin is ever certain with him.

It's a pity for no other reason than that we ever will get to know what could have been. That type of player needs somewhat of a comfortable environment etc to play with small marginals and learn his teammates. Whether its for cap reasons, lack of trust from the coach, injuries, Zucc is playing a little here and a little there. Always with the knife on his throat.

He has done a decent job. I do think he was a little weak to be honest late last season. But it had been a long and bumpy season for him as always.

One thing I definitely don't like is a player getting moved to make room for someone believed to be able to do the job, but not yet proven. If Kreider is ready, let him beat out the Norwegian midget.

 

[Ola]

I eat crow- Yeah, I am not hundred on the point of giving Stepan a long term deal around 5m. What is he going to be, a 9m player per in 3 years? I think it's perfectly possible that he is a 5m player still in 2 years.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I think Zuc will be back because he has skill and it seems like him and AV would get along with Zuc's passing abilities.

That being said, if he's not in the plan then it's time to call up Winnipeg and try and do the Byfuglien deal. If Chevyldayoff wants to get rid of Buff, kick the tires on that one. How does it work financially? Byfuglien has three years at 5.2 remaining. Zucc, Boyle, Asham and a third should get it done and that will only add like $750K of salary, and fill huge needs.

 

[cd211]

just pay the man hahah.. mcdonagh should easily get 4.5-5m top 10 in norris voting back to back years.. guy is number 1 dman on 90% of the teams in the league.. just wait till he gets pp time... he'll be a steal at that rate..

 

[NYR Viper]

I think Zuc will be back because he has skill and it seems like him and AV would get along with Zuc's passing abilities.

That being said, if he's not in the plan then it's time to call up Winnipeg and try and do the Byfuglien deal. If Chevyldayoff wants to get rid of Buff, kick the tires on that one. How does it work financially? Byfuglien has three years at 5.2 remaining. Zucc, Boyle, Asham and a third should get it done and that will only add like $750K of salary, and fill huge needs.

Why? So he can blow up eating all the time in NY? No thanks.

 

[Frolic and DeTorts]

I think Zuc will be back because he has skill and it seems like him and AV would get along with Zuc's passing abilities.

That being said, if he's not in the plan then it's time to call up Winnipeg and try and do the Byfuglien deal. If Chevyldayoff wants to get rid of Buff, kick the tires on that one. How does it work financially? Byfuglien has three years at 5.2 remaining. Zucc, Boyle, Asham and a third should get it done and that will only add like $750K of salary, and fill huge needs.

That won't get you Byfuglien.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Why? So he can blow up eating all the time in NY? No thanks.

His shot on the PP is lethal and he has size. He doesn't have to play D here but could play wing. That alone helps with the size issue and will help the PP. Plus he's tough.

Yes, he does have weight problems but that's something you trust Reg Grant with. A three year commitment especially with Pyatt coming off the books after this season, and Moore and Poulliot only have one year commitments isn't a terrible deal.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I think Zuc will be back because he has skill and it seems like him and AV would get along with Zuc's passing abilities.

That being said, if he's not in the plan then it's time to call up Winnipeg and try and do the Byfuglien deal. If Chevyldayoff wants to get rid of Buff, kick the bottom tires on that one. How does it work financially? Byfuglien has three years at 5.2 remaining. Zucc, Boyle, Asham and a third should get it done and that will only add like $750K of salary, and fill huge needs.

Try Del Zotto + Zucc

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Larry Brooks is speculating about Zuccarello

The Rangers may not have space for him. Cap wise and roster size.





http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/zucc_may_take_wing_rTORg1A4z7PvzLZdG4AoMM/1

None of these guys know what the Rangers are planning. Outside of Sather,Gorton,Schoenfeld,Clark and AV,the rest of us are in the dark including the media.

Can the Rangers trade Zuccarello? He is 2 years away from group III. The Rangers get compensation in return and he gets a chance to play in the NHL.

Brett Cyrgalis of the Post received the email from Ben Hankinson



http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rang...xpIOtm0BoN?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Rangers

The New York Post guys can't stop writing about offer sheets. Rupert Murdoch treats the Post union like **** and these guys can't stop talking about offer sheets.

Brooks wrote $4.5M-$5M for McDonagh. Shattenkirk got $17M for 4 years. $4.25M. 6 years and $27M for McDonagh. $4.5M. McDonagh is 3 years away from group III.

So many teams have so much money spent. There will be more crazy movement of players in trades. The teams which have money need it to re-sign their own players. The team which have room have already spent up to their budget. Then there are teams which have room and are willing to spend.

The Blues are up against it



http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hock...cle_8955bc1a-4ef9-5423-93fe-49e84ab88ae6.html

The Blues can shed Perron($3,812,500) for futures to free up space.

The Rangers aren't in position to add significant dollars. Maybe if they had amnestied Richards like they should have done,the Rangers could have been in position to add a quality player in a trade. Big mistake.

The Red Wings have a million forwards signed too. They want to re-sign Cleary.

Because it sells that's why they keep mentioning an offer sheet. No one is going to offer sure a big time market team like the Rangers, or any big market team