GDT: Free Agent Friend-Z Part III - Moore please?

[silverfish]

Since Byfuglien's trade value is at an all-time low now because of his weight, would anyone take the chance of trading Boyle+Asham for Big Buff?

I'd like to keep Boyle but Buff would solve the big shot from the point issue and doesn't have to play D, could move back to wing.

Just throwing random crap on a wall.

I actually like Boyle.

That $5.2m cap hit makes this scenario a big no go.

"We hope." We do, but should we be making moves based simply on hope, when we don't have to? The summer cap is in play, I doubt Boyle's contract will be the difference in us signing or not signing some top six player that we really want. Why do we need to move him now? Why not wait until later in the off season/training camp to pull the trigger on that? I don't see moving him as essential right now.

I agree. I just see, with the moves we're making, management is preparing to get rid of Boyle. They brought in a bottom 6 center and winger in Moore and Pouliot respectively. Space for Boyle is becoming thin. And, he has value on the trade market unlike guys like Asham and Powe who can clear waivers without getting bites from other teams. I'm not saying moving Boyle is essential, but I think it's in the works.

 

[EpicDing]

Since Byfuglien's trade value is at an all-time low now because of his weight, would anyone take the chance of trading Boyle+Asham for Big Buff?

I'd like to keep Boyle but Buff would solve the big shot from the point issue and doesn't have to play D, could move back to wing.

Just throwing random crap on a wall.

I actually like Boyle.

I would do that in a second. Especially if we can throw in a dman to get Burmi too. With Buff we'd have 9 (counting Johnson, McIlrath) NHL defensemen under contract.

We'd need to dump cap too.

I think his weight problems are blown out of proportion. He can still play.

 

[Kershaw]

Since Byfuglien's trade value is at an all-time low now because of his weight, would anyone take the chance of trading Boyle+Asham for Big Buff?

I'd like to keep Boyle but Buff would solve the big shot from the point issue and doesn't have to play D, could move back to wing.

Just throwing random crap on a wall.

I actually like Boyle.

Buff weighed in at 340? before beginning of last season and still put up elite numbers. No way the Jets do that trade.

 

[Made Dan]

Wonder where Jagr winds up. Was hoping we'd sign him but that's probably out the window with Pouliot coming here.

 

[nyr2k2]

They need more than 4 capable centers. Especially for the defensive line, need to have two guys who can take draws.

And what if Richards struggles again? We are forced to use Moore on the 3rd line, and forced to use an unknown on the 4th

Exactly. Depth means having players that can fill in for other players. If a center injures himself, who is our fourth center? Powe is gone. Is it Miller? Do they like him at center? Is he ready? He wasn't last year. Is Lindberg ready?

If the team moves Boyle and then follows it up with a move to upgrade the roster, fine. I'm not saying we must hold on to Boyle. But if we move Boyle just to move Boyle? That would be counterproductive.

 

[Made Dan]

Really don't wanna move Boyle. The depth is nice to have now, don't want to dismantle it already. If its for a clear upgrade, sure. But not for futures, unless its just too good to pass up.

 

[silverfish]

Wonder where Jagr winds up. Was hoping we'd sign him but that's probably out the window with Pouliot coming here.

Would absolutely positively love to add Jagr to this squad. He just doesn't fit. He'll probably command ~$4 mil. Plus down the right side the Rangers are pretty set. Nash>Cally>Zuccs>Dorsett. If AV has plans to move Nash back to LW though, I'd love to add Jagr. Third line minutes and PP time. 12 mins a game. He can handle that still, and look good doing it. Despite pretty poor production in the playoffs, if you were really watching his shifts like I was, I came away impressed. He was really creating out there, his wrist-shot is still an absolute laser beam.

Maybe my glasses are rose-colored when it comes to Jagr, but seeing him back on the ice for the Rangers at MSG would be amazing.

 

[nyr2k2]

All I'm saying is that you only move Boyle if you've got a sure-thing upgrade in mind. You don't move him if it's a "Maybe we'll find something better later on" situation. Good teams hold onto their depth.

 

[Janerixon]

Moore wasn't injured and incapable of working out. He has all summer, training camp, and pre-season play to get into game shape.

Fact still remains, moving Boyle will free cap space to sign players who play above him. He is expendable at this point.

Boyle has more value than most posters here give him credit for because of his versatility. There are 3 players his team we can move (not including Asham and Powe) to open up a little bit of cap space:
Del Zotto
Boyle
Pyatt

I rank them in order of cap hit and value, Del Zotto is unlikely to be traded unless we get back a great return. That takes us to whipping boy #1 on these boards and another overpaid 4th liner.

Back to the argument at hand, everyone here is acting as if it is a foregone conclusions Moore will be centering the 4th line, I fully expect Richards to be moved to the wing as neither he, Stepan, or brassard are 3rd line centers AND Hags and Cally are injured to start the season. That means we need a #3 and #4 center, which leaves us with Boyle, Moore, and Lindberg competing for those spots. Now if Moore and Lindberg beat out Boyle and there is a good deal on the table, I could see him being moved, but Moore has been out of action for a year and Lindberg is a rookie, Boyle can play wing and may thrive on a 3rd line with say Moore and Pouliot for example. Plus injuries can happen, if Moore or Lindberg gets hurt and Richards is actually productive at the wing are we going to move him to 3rd line center... this is where having Brian Boyle is quite useful.

The real question is who does AV and Sather prefer more, Boyle or Pyatt? The writing is on the wall someone will be moved, it is just a matter of who gets the best return and who they feel has the most to offer the team, Boyle clearly offers more than Pyatt and Boyle makes a whopping cap hit that is higher than Pyatt by 150,000.

 

[Frolic and DeTorts]

I agree there's absolutely no reason to trade Boyle right now, especially with Hags and Cally out to start the season. We can move Powe and Asham's contracts somehow and clear $2M. We don't need to clear $1.7 just to clear it. It better be for a reason.

 

[Vitto79]

I agree there's absolutely no reason to trade Boyle right now, especially with Hags and Cally out to start the season. We can move Powe and Asham's contracts somehow and clear $2M. We don't need to clear $1.7 just to clear it. It better be for a reason.

so whats so hard about understanding they could deal and asset in Boyle for I don't know anther asset?

They wont just move him out for cap space it would be for a player or a package deal for a few players

 

[BBKers]

Could have gone with this:

• Compliance buyout of Brad Richards
• Signed Vincent Lecavalier at $4,5M caphit (same as he got)
• Traded Boyle + MDZ for Big Buff + a better prospect plus a Winnipeg 2nd rounder next year
• Traded Miller + Fast + 1st rounder for Bobby Ryan
• Traded Pyatt for AHL body signed below $925k
• Traded Powe/Asham for scraps or lower picks. Otherwise waived again after camp

FORWARDS
Bobby Ryan ($5.100m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($1.800m) / Derek Stepan ($3.300m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Mats Zuccarello ($1.250m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.300m) / Dominic Moore ($1.000m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Micheal Haley ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.000m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
John Moore ($0.965m) / Dustin Byfuglien ($5.200m)
Justin Falk ($0.866m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
OTHER
Buyout: Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,552,083; BONUSES: $762,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $510,417

But it was not to be
Also - was probably a bit too optimistic with the RFAs
Just saying though

 

[NJRangers35]

I have a feeling that Boyle and Del Zotto will be packaged for Edler and Mashinter/Haley will fight for the last wing spot.

 

[Janerixon]

so whats so hard about understanding they could deal and asset in Boyle for I don't know anther asset?

They wont just move him out for cap space it would be for a player or a package deal for a few players

What is this asset we are getting for Boyle? And does this asset play wing and center, can they kill penalties, are they good at faceoffs and ready to play with the NY rangers, not the Whale? This team finally has depth and everyone wants to trade it just to make a move, the Rangers basically blew up the team last year and it showed. Let this team stick together and on top of that I am not dying to get rid of one of the few players on our team who hits and will fight, granted he isn't beating anyone up, but he will fight for teammates.

If a deal is too good to be true than yes see ya later Boyle, but we need depth. I prefer we don't trade Pyatt and keep him to start the season, but if McDonagh gets 4.25, Stepan gets 3.5, Hags gets 1.25, Zucc 1.5, and Falk 866 then someone has to go to fit them all under the cap. Guys like Pyatt, Boyle, and Del Zotto will have more trade value at the deadline.

 

[SA16]

What is this asset we are getting for Boyle? And does this asset play wing and center, can they kill penalties, are they good at faceoffs and ready to play with the NY rangers, not the Whale? This team finally has depth and everyone wants to trade it just to make a move, the Rangers basically blew up the team last year and it showed. Let this team stick together and on top of that I am not dying to get rid of one of the few players on our team who hits and will fight, granted he isn't beating anyone up, but he will fight for teammates.

If a deal is too good to be true than yes see ya later Boyle, but we need depth. I prefer we don't trade Pyatt and keep him to start the season, but if McDonagh gets 4.25, Stepan gets 3.5, Hags gets 1.25, Zucc 1.5, and Falk 866 then someone has to go to fit them all under the cap. Guys like Pyatt, Boyle, and Del Zotto will have more trade value at the deadline.

Players have more trade value in the offseason than at the deadline

 

[slipknottin]

What is this asset we are getting for Boyle? And does this asset play wing and center, can they kill penalties, are they good at faceoffs and ready to play with the NY rangers, not the Whale? This team finally has depth and everyone wants to trade it just to make a move, the Rangers basically blew up the team last year and it showed. Let this team stick together and on top of that I am not dying to get rid of one of the few players on our team who hits and will fight, granted he isn't beating anyone up, but he will fight for teammates.

If a deal is too good to be true than yes see ya later Boyle, but we need depth. I prefer we don't trade Pyatt and keep him to start the season, but if McDonagh gets 4.25, Stepan gets 3.5, Hags gets 1.25, Zucc 1.5, and Falk 866 then someone has to go to fit them all under the cap. Guys like Pyatt, Boyle, and Del Zotto will have more trade value at the deadline.

They have roughly 13 mil in cap room, so they would all fit.

 

[Raspewtin]

I have a feeling that Boyle and Del Zotto will be packaged for Edler and Mashinter/Haley will fight for the last wing spot.

Edler has a NTC.

 

[Synergy27]

Could have gone with this:

• Compliance buyout of Brad Richards
• Signed Vincent Lecavalier at $4,5M caphit (same as he got)
• Traded Boyle + MDZ for Big Buff + a better prospect plus a Winnipeg 2nd rounder next year
• Traded Miller + Fast + 1st rounder for Bobby Ryan
• Traded Pyatt for AHL body signed below $925k
• Traded Powe/Asham for scraps or lower picks. Otherwise waived again after camp

FORWARDS
Bobby Ryan ($5.100m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($1.800m) / Derek Stepan ($3.300m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Mats Zuccarello ($1.250m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.300m) / Dominic Moore ($1.000m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Micheal Haley ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.000m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
John Moore ($0.965m) / Dustin Byfuglien ($5.200m)
Justin Falk ($0.866m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
OTHER
Buyout: Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,552,083; BONUSES: $762,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $510,417

But it was not to be
Also - was probably a bit too optimistic with the RFAs
Just saying though

Yeah, major roster turnover generally works like a charm. That team looks nice on paper but, yeah, paper. We're Ranger fans.

 

[JaeTM]

Miller/Fast/1st wouldn't have gotten us Ryan anyways.

And not a chance in hell Buff gets traded for Boyle and Asham.

 

[Championship*]

Edler has a NTC.

So did Gaborik

 

[slipknottin]

Bigger issue I see with that proposed offseason is that all the center depth is completely gone. If Lindberg isn't ready for the NHL they are in big trouble

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

What is this asset we are getting for Boyle? And does this asset play wing and center, can they kill penalties, are they good at faceoffs and ready to play with the NY rangers, not the Whale? This team finally has depth and everyone wants to trade it just to make a move, the Rangers basically blew up the team last year and it showed. Let this team stick together and on top of that I am not dying to get rid of one of the few players on our team who hits and will fight, granted he isn't beating anyone up, but he will fight for teammates.

If a deal is too good to be true than yes see ya later Boyle, but we need depth. I prefer we don't trade Pyatt and keep him to start the season, but if McDonagh gets 4.25, Stepan gets 3.5, Hags gets 1.25, Zucc 1.5, and Falk 866 then someone has to go to fit them all under the cap. Guys like Pyatt, Boyle, and Del Zotto will have more trade value at the deadline.

Cally and hags being out really screws our trade scenarios. We gotta keep Boyle unless he's packaged with MDZ in a good package. Moore may wind up playing 3 line wing until everyone gets healthy. Boyles an excellent 4th liner, overpaid a tad but hate to let him go and run into depth issues again.

 

[KingWantsCup]

Edler has a NTC.

Just speculation but I think he'd waive it to not block shots all year and to play for a coach whom he knows well.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Yeah, major roster turnover generally works like a charm. That team looks nice on paper but, yeah, paper. We're Ranger fans.

Yes, looks nice but doesnt allow us enough cap for cally/hags call ups early season or in general for seasonal trades and deadline where i'll assume we'll be buyers. Keep living the fantasy GM dream

 

[nyr2k2]

Players have more trade value in the offseason than at the deadline

Just like Rick Nash, right?

There's no rule on when a guy is more valuable. It all depends on the circumstances. More guys available in the offseason, and sometimes you get desperate teams at the deadline. You can't say a guy will be more valuable either way. Not with any certainty.