GDT: Free Agent Friend-Z Part III - Moore please?

[HatTrick Swayze]

i think Rangers are hoping that Oscar Lindberg makes the team because he would have made Boyle expendable..

If he proves that, great. Then move Boyle. But when you go into camp hoping you can run into issues...see Chris Kreider.

You're making Boyle sound better than he is. Boyle has had 1 good year in his 4 years as a Ranger.

He also had 2/3 good playoff runs. Much higher average than a lot of other players on the roster...

Seems like a classic "grass is always greener" scenario. Guess we should all be familiar with those though at this point. Can't wait for AV to instantly make this a top-10 offense just by carrying the puck across the blue line more.

Well before his year off he had 7 NHL seasons of pretty consistent hockey. I doubt that one year off is going to completely throw him, just as long as he is in shape and ready to go.

What did one half-off year do to Brad Richards, a much more talented player, at a younger age?

 

[silverfish]

If he proves that, great. Then move Boyle. But when you go into camp hoping you can run into issues...see Chris Kreider.



He also had 2/3 good playoff runs. Much higher average than a lot of other players on the roster...

Seems like a classic "grass is always greener" scenario. Guess we should all be familiar with those though at this point. Can't wait for AV to instantly make this a top-10 offense just by carrying the puck across the blue line more.



What did one half-off year do to Brad Richards, a much more talented player, at a younger age?

The thing about Boyle is that he is this teams Gregory Campbell, but a little less tough. He needs to be a fourth liner. He needs to be a PKer. He can't be anywhere near the ice on the PP. He can't be anywhere near the ice when we're down a goal late in the third.

One of the Rangers' biggest undoings in these past two playoff runs have been other teams depth/fourth lines. Boyle is our guy who can do that to other teams, but he needs to be doing it ON THE FOURTH LINE. Put him with Moore and Dorsett on the fourth line. That's a good fourth line that will be very hard for other teams to play against.

Goaltending, D, and depth win championships.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The thing about Boyle is that he is this teams Gregory Campbell, but a little less tough. He needs to be a fourth liner. He needs to be a PKer. He can't be anywhere near the ice on the PP. He can't be anywhere near the ice when we're down a goal late in the third.

One of the Rangers' biggest undoings in these past two playoff runs have been other teams depth/fourth lines. Boyle is our guy who can do that to other teams, but he needs to be doing it ON THE FOURTH LINE. Put him with Moore and Dorsett on the fourth line. That's a good fourth line that will be very hard for other teams to play against.

Goaltending, D, and depth win championships.

Don't disagree with this at all.

 

[OverTheCap]

If he proves that, great. Then move Boyle. But when you go into camp hoping you can run into issues...see Chris Kreider.

Totally agree. If the kids beat him out and Moore proves that he is the same player he was before he took time off, fine, Boyle becomes expendable. But let's see if that happens instead of assuming it will. Many assumptions were made about last year's team, not only about Kreider, but also that our depth would be sufficient, and we saw how that turned out.

And speaking of Kreider, I see that many people are already penciling him in as top line LW for next year. Let him prove (there's that word again) that he is capable of handling 2nd or even 3rd line duties before giving him that responsibility.

 

[Chief]

If we trade for Edler wouldn't that mean a LHD would be on the way out - Staal?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Totally agree. If the kids beat him out and Moore proves that he is the same player he was before he took time off, fine, Boyle becomes expendable. But let's see if that happens instead of assuming it will. Many assumptions were made about last year's team, not only about Kreider, but also that our depth would be sufficient, and we saw how that turned out.

And speaking of Kreider, I see that many people are already penciling him in as top line LW for next year. Let him prove (there's that word again) that he is capable of handling 2nd or even 3rd line duties before giving him that responsibility.

Totally agree I would love it if he proves that but right now our best line is Hags-steps-nash

 

[nyr2k2]

Boyle would probably be looked at more favorably if we had a third line that could actually produce, therefore enabling him to be properly utilized as a fourth line center/face-off guy/PK specialist.

Boyle is what he is. We all get frustrated because he can't score to save his life and isn't as "physical" as his frame suggests he could be. He has some undeniable assets though, in that he's terrific on the PK, defensively responsible, good on face-offs, and can work a cycle on the forecheck. If we could actually put him in a position where he's expected to do those things and only those things, people wouldn't look at him so negatively. When you expect guys to do more than they're realistically capable of, then everyone looks bad.

 

[Tawnos]

Boyle would probably be looked at more favorably if we had a third line that could actually produce, therefore enabling him to be properly utilized as a fourth line center/face-off guy/PK specialist.

Boyle is what he is. We all get frustrated because he can't score to save his life and isn't as "physical" as his frame suggests he could be. He has some undeniable assets though, in that he's terrific on the PK, defensively responsible, good on face-offs, and can work a cycle on the forecheck. If we could actually put him in a position where he's expected to do those things and only those things, people wouldn't look at him so negatively. When you expect guys to do more than they're realistically capable of, then everyone looks bad.

Great post. I would just add that Boyle has been one of the leaders on the team for a few years now. Last off the ice after Rangers victories. He's got intangibles that make him very valuable. Not to say other players can't step up in that regard, but we've got someone who already has.

Expect him to be what his is and he's fine.

 

[Jabroni]

Boyle would probably be looked at more favorably if we had a third line that could actually produce, therefore enabling him to be properly utilized as a fourth line center/face-off guy/PK specialist.

Boyle is what he is. We all get frustrated because he can't score to save his life and isn't as "physical" as his frame suggests he could be. He has some undeniable assets though, in that he's terrific on the PK, defensively responsible, good on face-offs, and can work a cycle on the forecheck. If we could actually put him in a position where he's expected to do those things and only those things, people wouldn't look at him so negatively. When you expect guys to do more than they're realistically capable of, then everyone looks bad.

Absolutely agree. Boyle gets heat from too many posters here. Here is solid... for a 4th line role. When he plays extended minutes in a 3rd line role, he'll be playing out of position.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Don't trade Boyle unless we need the cap space, we finally have a competent bottom six

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Why are people calling pouilot small? He's 6'3 200lbs

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

http://snyrangersblog.com/rangers/read-where-things-stand-right-now-with-the-cap/

Adam Rotter: The team has already made it known, by placing them on waivers, that they are willing to part with Darroll Powe and Aaron Asham. That would save around $2 million in cap space and there is also the chance that Brian Boyle could be moved, which would free up another $1.7 million. These are the kinds of situations that Jeff Gorton and his staff prepare for during the organizational meetings in California.

Boyle lost his spot to Moore. Moore will be taking majority of the defensive zone faceoffs under Vigneault. Boyle's value is in the middle, he won't be in the middle. He's overpaid as a mediocre 4th line LW with no speed and no offense.

Gorton has his hands all over these moves. Increase in talent and depth. Only a matter of time before he takes over.

 

[nyr2k2]

I think it's a mistake to assume Moore can replace Boyle, without actually witnessing firsthand the kind of shape that Moore is in. I'm expecting him to return to form similar to what he was like pre-tragedy, but to make moves accordingly is kinda counting your chickens before they've hatched.

 

[silverfish]

I think it's a mistake to assume Moore can replace Boyle, without actually witnessing firsthand the kind of shape that Moore is in. I'm expecting him to return to form similar to what he was like pre-tragedy, but to make moves accordingly is kinda counting your chickens before they've hatched.

I'm not sure I agree with this. Despite my praise for Boyle in certain situations in my last post in this thread, I still believe he's not that great. I still believe he can be moved. Send him to Montreal to reunite him with Prust.

What the Rangers have are players who can replace Boyle and bring what he brings for a cheaper price. They have that in Moore (we hope). They have that in Lindberg (we hope). They have that in Miller (but it's preposterous to waste him on fourth line minutes as a 20 year old).

Players like Boyle are a dime a dozen. Every team has one. That player who is just solid at what he is. A fourth liner who ups his game in the playoffs.

The Rangers finally have depth. We have an overloaded bottom-6 at the moment. Someone needs to be moved. Grab a draft pick, clear cap space. We have important guys to sign coming up, and the Rangers need all the room they can manage.

Boyle can be that guy. And while this post is dedicated to Boyle because that's the topic at hand. There are other players in the same boat. Pyatt, Powe, Asham, and Boyle. At most, one of them will be with the Rangers come opening night. I wouldn't be surprised if all four are gone.

 

[Kershaw]

Only in Rangerland does the signing of a player who has not dressed for an NHL game in over a year make Boyle expendable. Yea, that doesn't Have the potential to backfire.

Yeah, you'd think the team would've learned from letting go of the depth from bottom 6 last season.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

I think it's a mistake to assume Moore can replace Boyle, without actually witnessing firsthand the kind of shape that Moore is in. I'm expecting him to return to form similar to what he was like pre-tragedy, but to make moves accordingly is kinda counting your chickens before they've hatched.

Moore wasn't injured and incapable of working out. He has all summer, training camp, and pre-season play to get into game shape.

Fact still remains, moving Boyle will free cap space to sign players who play above him. He is expendable at this point.

 

[nyr2k2]

I'm not sure I agree with this. Despite my praise for Boyle in certain situations in my last post in this thread, I still believe he's not that great. I still believe he can be moved. Send him to Montreal to reunite him with Prust.

What the Rangers have are players who can replace Boyle and bring what he brings for a cheaper price. They have that in Moore (we hope). They have that in Lindberg (we hope). They have that in Miller (but it's preposterous to waste him on fourth line minutes as a 20 year old).

Players like Boyle are a dime a dozen. Every team has one. That player who is just solid at what he is. A fourth liner who ups his game in the playoffs.

The Rangers finally have depth. We have an overloaded bottom-6 at the moment. Someone needs to be moved. Grab a draft pick, clear cap space. We have important guys to sign coming up, and the Rangers need all the room they can manage.

Boyle can be that guy. And while this post is dedicated to Boyle because that's the topic at hand. There are other players in the same boat. Pyatt, Powe, Asham, and Boyle. At most, one of them will be with the Rangers come opening night. I wouldn't be surprised if all four are gone.

"We hope." We do, but should we be making moves based simply on hope, when we don't have to? The summer cap is in play, I doubt Boyle's contract will be the difference in us signing or not signing some top six player that we really want. Why do we need to move him now? Why not wait until later in the off season/training camp to pull the trigger on that? I don't see moving him as essential right now.

Moore wasn't injured and incapable of working out. He has all summer, training camp, and pre-season play to get into game shape.

Fact still remains, moving Boyle will free cap space to sign players who play above him. He is expendable at this point.

I understand he wasn't injured. Regardless, he was still out of hockey for a year. You don't know what he looks like. What if he played last season and started to slow down? We don't have that reference. What if it takes him a half season to get fully back up to game speed? There's no training regimen that can replicate actual NHL shifts.

Who are we unable to sign that we would be able to sign this summer if we moved Boyle? Actual cap space is tight with or without him. Summer cap space is available with or without him. How is his contract an impediment? Maybe we can move him. I don't understand why we need to do it now. Unless there's some fantastic, imminent move that can't be consummated without dealing him (who?), it seems like we'd be moving him just for the sake of making a trade.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Moore wasn't injured and incapable of working out. He has all summer, training camp, and pre-season play to get into game shape.

Fact still remains, moving Boyle will free cap space to sign players who play above him. He is expendable at this point.

11m + almost 2m if we trade or move both Asham and powe to the minors. 13M should be more than enough without having to move Boyle when now we have a good 4th line unless a prospect dazzles in camp or something

 

[slipknottin]

Moore wasn't injured and incapable of working out. He has all summer, training camp, and pre-season play to get into game shape.

Fact still remains, moving Boyle will free cap space to sign players who play above him. He is expendable at this point.

I have never heard such moaning over 1.7 mil.

Boyle makes exactly 1.7 times what Moore makes, so moving Boyle at best would free up room to sign 1.7 players. Seeing how I doubt a .7 of a player helps, it's not exactly unloading a huge contract

 

[Maineice11]

I'm not sure I agree with this. Despite my praise for Boyle in certain situations in my last post in this thread, I still believe he's not that great. I still believe he can be moved. Send him to Montreal to reunite him with Prust.

What the Rangers have are players who can replace Boyle and bring what he brings for a cheaper price. They have that in Moore (we hope). They have that in Lindberg (we hope). They have that in Miller (but it's preposterous to waste him on fourth line minutes as a 20 year old).

Players like Boyle are a dime a dozen. Every team has one. That player who is just solid at what he is. A fourth liner who ups his game in the playoffs.

The Rangers finally have depth. We have an overloaded bottom-6 at the moment. Someone needs to be moved. Grab a draft pick, clear cap space. We have important guys to sign coming up, and the Rangers need all the room they can manage.

Boyle can be that guy. And while this post is dedicated to Boyle because that's the topic at hand. There are other players in the same boat. Pyatt, Powe, Asham, and Boyle. At most, one of them will be with the Rangers come opening night. I wouldn't be surprised if all four are gone.

I agree...look when Boyle had his breakout season a few years back, you saw him improve his skating and use his body to crash to the net and that is why he scored so much that season. Since then, I'm guessing because this similar thing happened to other players like him (aka Voros), he started changing how he played and tried to bring more skill which he did not have instead of crashing the net. IF Boyle would/could start just carrying the puck to the net he'd get back to that point he was at a few years ago. However, it has been too many seasons where he just hasn't. I think it is time to move on. We have 4 proven centers to start the season at least in Stepan, Richards, Brassard, and Moore; while we hope that maybe Miller or Lindberg are going to grab a spot, the middle does not look bad, so I believe Boyle becomes expendable as do Asham, Powe, and maybe even Pyatt.

The Rangers are building their team from within and I for one am excited about that. The big free agent signings haven't really panned out well enough for them over the years. This is the first year in quite some time a big name was not coming to New York. The only thing I'm disappointed in is that it isn't the middle of September yet.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

"We hope." We do, but should we be making moves based simply on hope, when we don't have to? The summer cap is in play, I doubt Boyle's contract will be the difference in us signing or not signing some top six player that we really want. Why do we need to move him now? Why not wait until later in the off season/training camp to pull the trigger on that? I don't see moving him as essential right now.

What top 6.player is left? would have to come via trade

 

[Kershaw]

What top 6.player is left? would have to come via trade

Richards can shift to wing. top 6 winger.

 

[slipknottin]

I agree...look when Boyle had his breakout season a few years back, you saw him improve his skating and use his body to crash to the net and that is why he scored so much that season. Since then, I'm guessing because this similar thing happened to other players like him (aka Voros), he started changing how he played and tried to bring more skill which he did not have instead of crashing the net. IF Boyle would/could start just carrying the puck to the net he'd get back to that point he was at a few years ago. However, it has been too many seasons where he just hasn't. I think it is time to move on. We have 4 proven centers to start the season at least in Stepan, Richards, Brassard, and Moore; while we hope that maybe Miller or Lindberg are going to grab a spot, the middle does not look bad, so I believe Boyle becomes expendable as do Asham, Powe, and maybe even Pyatt.

The Rangers are building their team from within and I for one am excited about that. The big free agent signings haven't really panned out well enough for them over the years. This is the first year in quite some time a big name was not coming to New York. The only thing I'm disappointed in is that it isn't the middle of September yet.

They need more than 4 capable centers. Especially for the defensive line, need to have two guys who can take draws.

And what if Richards struggles again? We are forced to use Moore on the 3rd line, and forced to use an unknown on the 4th

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Richards can shift to wing. top 6 winger.

I doubt the Rangers experiment with that idea though

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Since Byfuglien's trade value is at an all-time low now because of his weight, would anyone take the chance of trading Boyle+Asham for Big Buff?

I'd like to keep Boyle but Buff would solve the big shot from the point issue and doesn't have to play D, could move back to wing.

Just throwing random crap on a wall.

I actually like Boyle.