Shatty and Zib were arguably our best 2 players last year before their respective injuries. Why are we shitting on them for camp?
Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part VI: Someone Get Gorton A Vesey Button.
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As if we were talking about two inexperienced rookies.
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I don't think anyone is shitting on them. Dave Maloney was stating a fact from Training Camp. Those guys had the worst results from the testing done. Shattenkirk and Zibanejad had very good starts, but imagine if they were actually towards the top of the group? That also has to do with staying power. They may start hot, but if you are trying to get in shape as the season moves along, they can tail off just due to fatigue.
As far as the captain of the team, if I were Gorton, I would be discussing with Zuccarello his desire to stay in NY. I would offer him a 3 year extension at a reasonable contract (say $5m per season) and offer him the 'C' if he accepts. First Norwegian captain in NHL history. He epitomizes the work ethic the team should be trying to instill in the younger players.
I'd be looking to offer Kreider an 'A' as well.
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If I'm not mistaken Maloney coached Shattenkirk when he was a kid.
It may be that the Rangers knowing that Maloney was going on--didn't mind him saying that just as a reminder to Shatty and Zib not let it happen again. I don't think Smith needs reminding.
The thing with a lot of injuries---like concussions, knee injuries--a player might get to the point where he can play again but that doesn't always mean they're 100%. Sometimes they need the off season to really get over those issues. Both Zibanejad and Buchnevich were concussed last year and both played shy after coming back.
IMO any veteran that comes to camp this year in less than ideal condition because they've not done enough training the Rangers should seriously think of moving on.
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I mean, I'd want all the players to come to camp in tremendous shape, but I don't know that theres much to suggest that coming to camp in great shape leads to a better season. Pretty much every year we hear that a dozen or so players around the league came to camp "in the best shape of their life" – many/most times those guys don't have monster seasons. Arriving in good shape is important and should be done but I don't think it's the kind of linear relationship with performance where you can say "imagine if this player were in better shape, they'd have an even better season!"
As for Captain, I'm perfectly ok not having one until someone steps up and shows that they can command the room and provide what we need from a captain. If Zucc is doing that now, then I'm ok with him being the captain. I haven't heard much about him being that type but we don't know most of what goes on in the room. If none of the current players are that kind of leader, I'm fine with a bunch of A's and Hank doing his thing
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Glen Sather (who's of Norwegian descent) wouldn't mind that
You're also on track about Kreider, he will be part of the leadership group along with Staal. I also believe there will be a third A, Zibanejad or perhaps Shattenkirk who's a Quinn guy.
Opinions on this board vary a lot, but it’s funny, I don’t think there was a single poster at this board who would have claimed that Shatty was our top player early last season. I went back and checked, 75% were frustrated with his play and the other 25% explained his subpar/struggling play. Very very roughly of course, but still.
10 months later Shatty was our unanimously best player early lol.
I don’t care, don’t think it matters. But still think it’s a bit funny.
10 months later Shatty was our unanimously best player early lol.
I don’t care, don’t think it matters. But still think it’s a bit funny.
Shatty was not great at all early last season. He was at the midst of a collapsing defense. Just check highlights at nhl.com to get a glimpse of what I am referring to and everyone seem to have forget. He is directly behind many plays that cost us games and a significant part of his pts are hardly impressive.
It’s really annoying that he showed up in crap shape.
Zibanejad is another one, newly signed contract. He was not in good shape the year before. He had better test results after returning from a broken leg than he had in camp.
Check Zibas g/f fashionista blogger. I haven’t followed it much this summer, previous two summers it has been the same thing. Here are we, in the carribian. A few days later, Croatia. Rock festival in Sweden, back to Ottawa for a wedding, Mexico and then back to Sweden and then the season starts.
A hockey player can’t build up his body during the season. So much work must be put in during the off season. It’s hard to get in world class shape. You must find that perfect balance between tremendously hard work, rest, nutrition. Optimize everything. f*** traveling all across the earth as soon as you get a minute to spare.
The vets must be accountable too.
It’s really annoying that he showed up in crap shape.
Zibanejad is another one, newly signed contract. He was not in good shape the year before. He had better test results after returning from a broken leg than he had in camp.
Check Zibas g/f fashionista blogger. I haven’t followed it much this summer, previous two summers it has been the same thing. Here are we, in the carribian. A few days later, Croatia. Rock festival in Sweden, back to Ottawa for a wedding, Mexico and then back to Sweden and then the season starts.
A hockey player can’t build up his body during the season. So much work must be put in during the off season. It’s hard to get in world class shape. You must find that perfect balance between tremendously hard work, rest, nutrition. Optimize everything. f*** traveling all across the earth as soon as you get a minute to spare.
The vets must be accountable too.
A good majority of the people here have a skewed view of Shattenkirk. They believe he is a sure fire #1 RD. He is a PP specialist/2nd pair D at best. Shattenkirk made a statement about wanting to play in all situations. He shows up to play in horrible shape. Gets injured in camp. He wasn’t very good last season.
The Rangers final 3 arbitration cases are fast approaching. Skjei is next Tuesday. Hayes and Spooner are next Thursday and Saturday. It will be interesting to see what they do with Hayes. They have so many quality young center options. The 2019 draft has top centers. Potential #1 centers. It depends where the Rangers finish. Sign Hayes and trade him at some point within the next year. No NMC. Try to not include any type of NTC. Extremely limited NTC.
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Has been some lack of consistency there, he should continue working on that. He's not the most vocal guy in the locker room, nor that "in your face" guy they want. As a captain I think he would be very similar to McDonagh. But he has that physical presence, and he's due for a promotion. But not quite at captain level yet.
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He didn't completely shrink when things got tough. It's easy to be all rah rah when things are going well but you learn a lot about a person when you throw them into a difficult situation.
How do you know how he is in the room? Are you there?
He wouldn't be my choice either though.
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Maybe I’m misremembering, but weren’t you advocating against that a few weeks ago? Or were you just mentioning how comparable situations required salary going back and diminished the returns?
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He knows because he is him. Webster is Zucc. Zucc is Webster.
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The thought that Shattenkirk is on some great contract also seems odd to me.
Signed for 4 years, 6.65M cap hit
1st year injured, speculated came in not in such good shape, had no movement clause, 8M salary
2nd year, Rangers are rebuilding and he seems to be their top RD, wonder how that goes or what it does for his trade value? 10 team no trade. 8M salary
3rd year, Rangers are still likely rebuilding, 10 team no trade. 6.6M salary
4th year, his last contract year, age 31, maybe they get rental value back for him if he has value at that point? 8 team no trade. 4M salary.
Rangers structured the deal to be easier to trade as it went on, but I don't think they believed they were going to be rebuilding throughout it.
I hope the guy has a really good season, they can find a trade partner at the deadline, or maybe prior to the draft where they know which pick # they can get back.
Hayes,(Or Skjei) I think if he does get a no movement or really restrictive no trade in the years he would be eligible it would increase the likelihood of the Rangers trading him before that clause kicked in. It's kind of an odd situation where if the player wants to stay longer they may be better off without a pending clause kicking in.
Signed for 4 years, 6.65M cap hit
1st year injured, speculated came in not in such good shape, had no movement clause, 8M salary
2nd year, Rangers are rebuilding and he seems to be their top RD, wonder how that goes or what it does for his trade value? 10 team no trade. 8M salary
3rd year, Rangers are still likely rebuilding, 10 team no trade. 6.6M salary
4th year, his last contract year, age 31, maybe they get rental value back for him if he has value at that point? 8 team no trade. 4M salary.
Rangers structured the deal to be easier to trade as it went on, but I don't think they believed they were going to be rebuilding throughout it.
I hope the guy has a really good season, they can find a trade partner at the deadline, or maybe prior to the draft where they know which pick # they can get back.
Hayes,(Or Skjei) I think if he does get a no movement or really restrictive no trade in the years he would be eligible it would increase the likelihood of the Rangers trading him before that clause kicked in. It's kind of an odd situation where if the player wants to stay longer they may be better off without a pending clause kicking in.
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Please. Enlighten us. How is he in the locker room? I'd like to hear from someone who has been there before the game and during intermissions
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Then I'm probably one of those suffering from the memory loss. The first line centered by Zibanejad was a force from the get go in terms of generating scoring chances (even with Kreider's clot issue that we learned afterwards) though I recall early on they had issues converting that resulted in Buch being moved from this line a bit and being replaced by Zuke. The fact that Zibanejad was on a PPG pace after 20+ games tells me that he was all caught up pretty fast and this is how I recall it too.
Shatty first couple of weeks were average (not terrible) and could easily be attributed to the new to him system under AV. But then he had a stretch of about a month or so where he was the best Rangers' defenseman, at least in terms of generating offense, which is his calling card. Only in February is when he announced his injury (and that it happened in pre-season camp). Whether or not the injury was caused by not being is shape coming into the camp - we will never know, but it is plausible that there's a link.
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Of course, personally I do think he’ll either sign an extension or will be traded at TDL and then resigned in the summer, but who knows. I do however believe that they want to keep some of the older guys on the team to mentor the younger during the rebuild, to avoid an Oiler kind of situation.
While what you say obviously is true, I think Zucc is a more logical choice than Kreider since he had an A on his shirt last season while Kreider didn’t. New coach might have a different opinion, but I would be extremely surprise if Kreider wore a C next season, imo he does not have the personality for it.
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Do they really need a captain?
Just have a three Alternates.
Just have a three Alternates.
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