Irishguy42
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Posted in the Gorton thread, but figured it should be posted here: Gorton Eager to Mastermind a Rangers Rebuild - MSGNetworks.com
Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part VI: Someone Get Gorton A Vesey Button.
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Oscar Lindberg
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I just do not see what management sees in Lindgren. I get the whole character thing, but he projects as a bottom pairing defender assuming he makes the NHL
Not exactly something I would feel "very good" about
Not exactly something I would feel "very good" about
I think that’s underselling him a bit.
His defensive game is very good though. Even if he is a guy who ends up on a 3rd pair, that isn’t a bad thing at all. You could move him up when you have a lead and want to close out a game depending on what kind of D you have ahead of him on the left side.
If Nash turns into a top 4 in Miller and a top 6 Dman are we Gonna complain ?
Plus Spooner will get Young assets back eventually
NYR Viper
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I disagree. I think his floor is that of a 3rd pairing guy. Ceiling of a 2nd pairing guy. That's a coup as a piece coming back for a pure rental at the deadline. He also skates VERY well and plays a hard-nosed game that is hard to find in today's pure kill game. To top it off, he is a known vocal leader and tireless worker on and off the ice. I'd say there's lot's to be excited about.
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All around, this just reads very odd.
1. 'Whole character thing' ... yeah that little thing...
2. What is a bottom pair defender? I suppose Jeff Beukeboom was a bottom-pair defender.
3. What is a bottom pair defender in 2018? His skill-set is unique in that he's a bit of a throwback crease-clearer. In terms of skill-set, he'd probably be a top-2 guy in the 90s. Evolution of skill across the league.
Lays
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He definitely does. I had him around 15 originally
His defense is very good. Great stick work. Good skater as well and not the cliche “good skater for his size.” A lot of untapped potential offensively as well, shows nice flashes. Lastly, a good passer who thinks the game well. I’d even say he has 1D potential. It’s very, very likely he’s not a 1D but I see tons of upside in him. Love this pick
Yeah but being proficient at killing another team's rush up ice in the NZ before anything even has a chance to materialize isn't as sexy as skating through a team that is half asleep or clearing the crease after a SOG that happened because you turned it over in the first place.
His shot will come around too.
Oscar Lindberg
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It doesn't read odd at all
I think he's a solid prospect, and for me he projects as a third pairing guy who can shift up to the second in a pinch. But he's not someone I am overly excited for like Hajek for example
I understand his leadership quantities, and while I think people generally overate those traits, I get why the organization thinks he fills a need, and I'm fine with it
I'm way higher on Hajek, Miller, Lundkvist, and Rykov at this stage
And this is coming from me, who wanted Lindgren in the Nash trade before it happened
I think Gorton is just kind of "excited" to get a defenseman with some snarl to his game in the lineup
I think it’s more of a quantity thing. We added a lot of kids the last couple of years. They are coming in, I don’t really buy the ‘we have to get to know them’ talk, because I darn hope that we know them already, but like they are confirming our views of them. Doing well.
To put it like this, why did Gorts single out Meskanen, Pionk and Lindgren? I think we have added a lot of kids we like, to a varying degree of course. This is three guys that have confirmed our views of them, that they can play, and that is why Gorton mentioned them. And he feels good about the future because it’s a sign that they will be right about many of the other kids too of which they feel very highly of too. Do you get what I mean?
I don’t for second think Gorts feels good about the future due to Meskanen, Lindgren and Pionk, in the sense that it’s three guys we can build a team around. Pionk should play and the other two should contend for spots. Push compition.
I also love that Gorton is pushing for Howden to come in and be a ‘hard nosed’ kid. We need him to embrace that part of his game, it’s a shortage in the system and he can fit in perfectly if he can become someone that is tough to play against and really gets involved all over.
Gorton was on NHL Tonight a few minutes ago. He didn’t say much. Same stuff.
Dave Maloney came on after Gorton. The beautiful and talented Jackie Redmond asked him if this is a rebuild or a retool. Dave said rebuild. A lot of patience will be required. Jackie asked him about Lundqvist being all in and Dave said to check in again in December to see about Lundqvist being all in on the rebuild. Dave said Lundqvist will need to change his attitude. He can’t be showing his frustration playing on this team. Maloney said the Rangers should add pieces when their young players mature. Smart man. Chytil and Andersson are 19 and 20. Dave knows what’s going on. He said Shattenkirk, Mika and Smith had the lowest test scores in training camp last year. Conditioning. They reported to camp in piss poor shape. Great job guys. It wasn’t only Smith who has lost 15 pounds this summer and is working out with Prentiss. All three of them signed new contracts and they spent the summer partying.
The NHL Network will replay the one hour show again tonight at 10. Gorton comes on 15/20 minute mark. They might put the clips on Twitter or the NHL website.
Dave Maloney came on after Gorton. The beautiful and talented Jackie Redmond asked him if this is a rebuild or a retool. Dave said rebuild. A lot of patience will be required. Jackie asked him about Lundqvist being all in and Dave said to check in again in December to see about Lundqvist being all in on the rebuild. Dave said Lundqvist will need to change his attitude. He can’t be showing his frustration playing on this team. Maloney said the Rangers should add pieces when their young players mature. Smart man. Chytil and Andersson are 19 and 20. Dave knows what’s going on. He said Shattenkirk, Mika and Smith had the lowest test scores in training camp last year. Conditioning. They reported to camp in piss poor shape. Great job guys. It wasn’t only Smith who has lost 15 pounds this summer and is working out with Prentiss. All three of them signed new contracts and they spent the summer partying.
The NHL Network will replay the one hour show again tonight at 10. Gorton comes on 15/20 minute mark. They might put the clips on Twitter or the NHL website.
Oscar Lindberg
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Also, not that it's particularly relevant, but the initial hold up on the Nash to Bruins deal was Gorton wanted Frederic. Sweeney pushed back and offered Lindgren instead, and eventually the trade went down
Pretty much how I'm reading it. He throws big hits, and plays physical, which is great.
SA16
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So Shattenkirk reported to camp in terrible shape and then scored 18 pts in his first 25 games with a bad knee and Zibanejad reported to camp in terrible shape and then scored 27 goals on the year including 22 pts his first 24 games.
Maybe everyone should report to camp in terrible shape.
Maybe everyone should report to camp in terrible shape.
I have a bit of an opposite view of him. My take is that I’ve seen him regularly, all over the board really, executed high quality plays with ease. High level passing game. It’s just not seing the lane and executing, it’s knowing what to do. It’s handling bouncing pucks and what not. Poise when pressured and an ability to avoid forecheckers. And so forth and so forth.
That ability to so naturally and fast adopt to a world class level defensemen game is quite remarkable. Like we talk about a Sean Day, he would be up over his ears if put on the international scene at like the U18/20 level when he was that age. The game is so fast, everyone is so talented. You can’t take time handling pucks, looking up, navigating the ice. Miller basically just laced up his skates for the first time as a D and grew into that role overnight. Day after like half a decade in the OHL isn’t even close to that quality level.
I love his ability to step into pucks even if it’s a bit underdeveloped. He should practice it extra for his shot to come more natural. But in the best of all worlds he can become a bit of a mix of a Brent Burns and Ryan McDonagh if you get what I mean. Athletic kid, he isn’t a softy. It hurts playing against him. He should get that top shot. He isn’t a stiff, very far from it, high natural skill level.
Oscar Lindberg
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I'm surprised they let Maloney do media hits outside of MSG, he always seems to be leaking weird info
Also the name of what this process is doesn't matter. These things are fluid. If they had won Dahlin, you bet the process would have been expedited tremendously. Same with if they get Hughes next summer
Also the name of what this process is doesn't matter. These things are fluid. If they had won Dahlin, you bet the process would have been expedited tremendously. Same with if they get Hughes next summer
Richard Banger
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Maybe if they were in better shape they would of produced more.
He has a very good independent opinion, hidden away on radio a bit, and opens his mouth and way to many topics others wouldn’t dare touch, but I think they let him speak his mind because they respect him.
He understands things.
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The best thing from that is how they realize that Pavel has the potential to excel in a top-6 role and will be given the chance to do so.
As to the neutral zone argument, it’s a silly one because being good at defending players off the rush is harder than in-zone defending and requires more skill utilizing, speed, size, positioning, and the IQ to read the play at a faster pace. How that could ever be spun as negative, especially when we have stats to show our guys are good at it, is beyond me.
As to the neutral zone argument, it’s a silly one because being good at defending players off the rush is harder than in-zone defending and requires more skill utilizing, speed, size, positioning, and the IQ to read the play at a faster pace. How that could ever be spun as negative, especially when we have stats to show our guys are good at it, is beyond me.
Richard Banger
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Being in top shape does prevent a lot of things.
My point was if they were in better shape their wall would be easier to break mid game. We don't know how badly out of shape they were but it could of resulted in a 15% drop in production.
LIAS ANDERSSON, CENTER: The Hockey News puts it this way: “He’s a fast competitive two-way force, a coach’s dream. Lias has excellent hockey sense, worth ethic and plays a 200-foot game.”
See Lias is not slow
See Lias is not slow
Shattenkirk and Zibanejad were our 2 best players the first 20 games of the year. So that sounds odd to me.
Zero problem with them to start the year.
Smith embarrassed himself completely. Has a lot to prove.
That Andersson scouting report should be deleted. 3 words in and it’s completely discredited.
Zero problem with them to start the year.
Smith embarrassed himself completely. Has a lot to prove.
That Andersson scouting report should be deleted. 3 words in and it’s completely discredited.
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