Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part VI: Someone Get Gorton A Vesey Button.
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NYR Viper
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Best on a team of horrid defense is still best on the team and doesn't change my statement. He was near a ppg the first portion of the season, exactly what he was brought in to do. No complaints from me.
I also wanna note I never called him a 1D, I think he'd be best on the 2nd pairing, but that doesn't mean he wasn't our best.
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Point of parliamentary procedure. Shattenkirk's defenseive play was atrocious. Hardly making him our second best player. Anyone who needs to play sheltered minutes can hardly be so good. Just my two cents.
For everything he was generating offensively, he was giving up defensively at his best. If he is the team's best defenseman, Henke is in for a very long year.
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Shattenkirk played very well offensively, especially on the power play, until his knee injury really started messing with him.
Defensively he was being pretty hit or miss and didn't look like he found his comfort level. I'm kind of undecided on how that will shake out, he was making a lot of aggressive low percentage defensive plays and that may be something that can be coached out of him to some extent.
Zibanejad was great until his injury.
I like a lot of Dave Maloney's commentary but I think his bashing of players and always claiming that they're out of shape is suspect and a bit too convenient. I think Maloney's very old school his takes on fitness are probably overboard because he's looking to put the pressure and blame on players. Maybe those 3 guys didn't test at the top of the group but it's incredibly incredibly unlikely that they were just outright in terrible shape and lazy pieces of shit that he makes them out to be.
Brendan Smith's issues were far less about his conditioning and far more about the fact that he couldn't figure out how to play a game without taking insane risks and thinking he was the defensive Gretzky. That's what got him demoted.
Defensively he was being pretty hit or miss and didn't look like he found his comfort level. I'm kind of undecided on how that will shake out, he was making a lot of aggressive low percentage defensive plays and that may be something that can be coached out of him to some extent.
Zibanejad was great until his injury.
I like a lot of Dave Maloney's commentary but I think his bashing of players and always claiming that they're out of shape is suspect and a bit too convenient. I think Maloney's very old school his takes on fitness are probably overboard because he's looking to put the pressure and blame on players. Maybe those 3 guys didn't test at the top of the group but it's incredibly incredibly unlikely that they were just outright in terrible shape and lazy pieces of shit that he makes them out to be.
Brendan Smith's issues were far less about his conditioning and far more about the fact that he couldn't figure out how to play a game without taking insane risks and thinking he was the defensive Gretzky. That's what got him demoted.
Maybe Winipeg thinks that's a terrible deal
Their center depth also seems decent already.
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Because you have no idea what you're talking about.
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It's kind of funny that the Rangers had three "captain material" skaters on the roster in 14-15 (MSL, Yandle, Boyle) and now they only have one IMO, Andersson, and he is not nearly ready yet.
Zucc is too mischievous in his personality, which is great but I think the C would hamper that and by extension his play.
Zucc is too mischievous in his personality, which is great but I think the C would hamper that and by extension his play.
that's a classy response.
anywayyyyyyy how is trouba for hayes and a solid prospect a bad offer? their center depth is far from great after losing stastny. they are in win now mode not looking just for picks prospects. I think Hayes is extremely underrated here. and trouba probably overrated.
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Talks about his lousy hairdresser, so last time he got bald...
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I dunno if it's a bad offer or not but maybe Winipeg doesn't think it's enough for a trade for Trouba and that's why it hasn't happened. Maybe they don't like Hayes, maybe they'd want a roster D in return. If it has to be Hayes+Skjei for Trouba do you do it?
Just saying...when you ask "why hasn't it happened???" the answer may be as simple as "one or both of the teams aren't interested in that deal". Your evaluations of underrated or overrated are irrelevant if they aren't what the GMs think.
hayes and Skjei would be crazy so no of course not. Im just surprised there hasn't been a much bigger demand for Kevin Hayes out there. Reports are he was dangled and then nothing. just very surprised Gorton couldn't get a really good offer for him.
It's hard to say who is captain material without having an intimate knowledge of the locker room. And also, we've read quite a bit about how the locker room was run under AV, so it's entirely possible a different dynamic and leadership group emerges. Lastly, Staal is still there--he wears an A and has been part of the leadership of the team for a while. Some might say his slipping play disqualifies him, but I don't think that should be the case.
Also, a lot of the other prospects wore letters and can be considered "leaders," not just Andersson. Excluding guys like Fogarty who will almost certainly never play a big role on the team, you've got Lindgren who wore an A as an NCAA sophomore and captained the U17 and U18 US squads and wore an A at the WJC, Brett Howden who wore a C two years in the WHL, and Gettinger who captained the Soo team. Then there are a bunch of guys who wore the A for a season or two--Hajek, Ronning, etc. The Rangers seem to really be focusing on "character" so I don't think there will be a leadership issue, even with the young guys.
And lest we forget, we signed designated Good Locker Room Guy Cody McLeod to teach everyone how to be good, responsible Hockey Guys.
I feel like it was said someplace that there was a lot of interest but also a lot of teams trying to lowball Gorton for him.
That said, he's still "just" a sub 50 point player, even if he is pretty talented, improved a lot on draws, and is more reliable defensively than he was earlier on. He's a good player but not one teams are going to give up the farm for
edit: in fact he may be more valuable to the Rangers at this start of this season than he is to them in a trade if teams aren't going to pony up. Without him, they have exactly 1 real NHL center on the roster. Namestnikov and Spooner aren't guys who played center consistently, everyone else is rookies that may or may not be ready to handle that burden.
That said, he's still "just" a sub 50 point player, even if he is pretty talented, improved a lot on draws, and is more reliable defensively than he was earlier on. He's a good player but not one teams are going to give up the farm for
edit: in fact he may be more valuable to the Rangers at this start of this season than he is to them in a trade if teams aren't going to pony up. Without him, they have exactly 1 real NHL center on the roster. Namestnikov and Spooner aren't guys who played center consistently, everyone else is rookies that may or may not be ready to handle that burden.
Pavel Buchnevich
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How could anyone seriously say we are closer than Buffalo? 1D and 1C. We have neither.
haveandare
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Because they've been one of the worst teams in the league for half a decade. How is this even a question?
Is there 1D the 18 year old who hasn't played a single NHL game yet?
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Has there been any talk at all about talks with the RFAs? Kind of odd that it's been so, so quiet. Skjei and Hayes are pretty big pieces to have no talk around.
Irishguy42
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Rangers depth + Lundqvist make them better than the Sabres.
Dahlin isn't a 1D...yet.
GeorgeKaplan
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I thought teams were calling about Hayes, not that he was being dangled. And either way it seemed the most aggressive team in on Hayes made their move for a different player (Calgary) and got a better package than what the Rangers probably would’ve wanted to give up
Pavel Buchnevich
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Toronto was a laughing stock. Are they anymore? Would you rather be in our position or Buffalos? Our position or Edmonton? You are kidding yourself if you say ours.
Pavel Buchnevich
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He's 36. He has a couple of years left. I don't know how that factors into a rebuild rankings.
I'm sick and tired of hearing about our depth. First of all, depth doesn't win you anything, talent does. How was the depth of Chicago and Pittsburgh during their Cup wins? Non-existent. They won because of their top-end talent.
Dahlin has to prove himself, but so does everyone else. He's close to as proven of a D coming into the NHL as it gets.
Many captains struggle a bit. But with Kreider I kind of feel, what is there to lose? Can he become MORE inconsistent? Or LESS physical? Put MORE pressure on himself?
Close to rock bottom already in those fields. So I don’t think he negatively could be affected of it.
Further, he is an impressive figure that would be respected for sure by everyone. Set a good example.
We really have nobody else, Hayes is the only option I can see. Don’t think Zucc even remotely is captain material. I really like him, but he is very lazy in practice and isn’t at all the leader type in all areas. He really always competes, but it’s not enough to become a captain. He is a leader in his on way, but not THE leader type.
Edit: Of course there is Staal too, forgot about him. I agree with nyr2k that he wouldn’t be a terrible option either.
The players mentioned as possible captains (Shattenkirk, MZA, Kreider) all could be traded in the next year or two under the right circumstances. That’s not captain material. For now, I’m going with alternates.
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