Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part V: Gorton is on McLeod Nine.

[Kaapo Cabana]

Hope that JG doesn’t hand out a NMC to Hayes, limited NTC better (10 team exclusion).

As for remaining UFAs, wouldnt hurt to bring in Jurco, Shore, and Postsma for a look....

That would be a very bad idea

In fact, as someone who does not want to trade Hayes, I would rather trade him than give him and kind of trade clause

 

[Inferno]

Rfa years are cheaper than ufa years...period...end of story. Rfa years lower the overall aav. If you're adding more years...your adding more ufa years...and therefore adding more to the aav
It's definitely better than if you extend them after. But that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying...if you're adding years to an rfa player..you're adding to the aav of the contract you sign.

Sinple math. 1 rfa year at 1m then 3ufa years at 3m. Total is 10mil over 4 mil. If you make it 4 years of ufa years at 3 mil that's 5 years at 13 mil. That raises the aav.

 

[Lays]

IMO Slavin is better than Skjei. Skjei is better than Matheson.

The difference between Slavin and Skjei isn't big. Skjei had a sophomore slump and people have soured on him a touch.

The difference in Slavin and Skjei is massive..Slavin puts up good numbers all while being one of the best defensive defenseman in the league. I know we all like to be optimistic and shit but Skjei and Slavin aren’t on the same level and it’s not even close.

 

[Inferno]

I do believe that Skjei closes that defensive gap significantly under Quinn.

I think skjei closes that gap with a brain damaged alpaca behind the bench. But that's just me.

 

[NYR Viper]

Rfa years are cheaper than ufa years...period...end of story. Rfa years lower the overall aav. If you're adding more years...your adding more ufa years...and therefore adding more to the aav
It's definitely better than if you extend them after. But that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying...if you're adding years to an rfa player..you're adding to the aav of the contract you sign.

Sinple math. 1 rfa year at 1m then 3ufa years at 3m. Total is 10mil over 4 mil. If you make it 4 years of ufa years at 3 mil that's 5 years at 13 mil. That raises the aav.

This is true if you look at it in a vacuum. What is a guaranteed contract for 6 years worth as compared to 7 though? Just because it's 1 more UFA year doesn't mean the player will want more per season to take that away. The longer the contract, the more risk the team is taking as well

 

[Off Sides]

I really wonder how much the pending clause in Stepans contract impacted their choice to trade him.

If it did, I then wonder how much those players really want that restrictive of a pending clause should they want to stay.

What good is the clause if they are moved to somewhere they may not want to be before it goes into effect and can be nullified should the trading team decide not keep it?

Zbad also has a pending no movement clause that will go into effect July 1st 2019 should he not be moved prior. It makes me wonder how good his season will have to be for that not to be taken into consideration.

It all makes for a kind of confusing and interesting dynamic.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Hope that JG doesn’t hand out a NMC to Hayes, limited NTC better (10 team exclusion).

As for remaining UFAs, wouldnt hurt to bring in Jurco, Shore, and Postsma for a look....

Won’t kick in til his UFA yeas, which I believe could start next season. So NYR will have a window to trade him next TDL-June 30th which I expect them to utilize.

 

[Inferno]

Nevermind...I'm tired and don't wanna argue.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I think skjei closes that gap with a brain damaged alpaca behind the bench. But that's just me.

Speaking of Alpacas, remind me to text you the picture in the hallway to our bedroom. My wife bought it and I think you will get a kick out of it.

But yes, I agree.

 

[Levitate]

I thinks skjei is a really hard player to get a grasp on...I think he's going to benefit the most from a coaching staff...the overly complicated defensive scheme av used didn't help skjei or any defenseman whatsoever. I think if he keeps it a bit simpler he will be a lot better. I'd lock up skjei to 6x5m or thereabouts without too much consideration...it's when the term or dollars go beyond that that I get a little worried. He's good tho. Modern day defenseman. Big fast shows flashes of brilliance but very inconsistent and very raw still..amazingly.

I agree. He did well in his rookie year but he was sheltered a bit more. But he has all the tools to be that big, good skating modern defenseman that can do most everything except put up a ton of points. Part of his issue last year IMO is that he started trying to play like he was McDonagh (who was and is still more talented) and he's just not quite good enough to do that, or at least that's not his style of player. Combined with a system and team that had most of the players running around confused defensively, and it's hard to really get a grasp on how much his sophomore slump was an indication of his future potential.

Honestly, interesting to see how all of the D play under a new coach and system.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I agree. He did well in his rookie year but he was sheltered a bit more. But he has all the tools to be that big, good skating modern defenseman that can do most everything except put up a ton of points. Part of his issue last year IMO is that he started trying to play like he was McDonagh (who was and is still more talented) and he's just not quite good enough to do that, or at least that's not his style of player. Combined with a system and team that had most of the players running around confused defensively, and it's hard to really get a grasp on how much his sophomore slump was an indication of his future potential.

Honestly, interesting to see how all of the D play under a new coach and system.

Yeah I think Skjei and DeAngelo are going to benefit most from the change.

Staal will suck no matter what the system and Shattenkirk is who he is no matter what the system too.

The others? we'll see.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

the overly complicated defensive scheme av used didn't help skjei or any defenseman whatsoever. I

Please enlighten me -- I don't recall seeing any semblance of a defensive scheme (unless there's one called "helter skelter").

 

[Ola]

I think if they wanted to sign him long term we would have heard about it.

Instead, we've heard that the team isn't sure what they want to do with him. Hes also a very valuable trade chip currently whose value may never be higher. There are tons of reasons to explore moving him.

I think its safe to say that Vesey won't be part of the future. The other 2 I don't know, really depends on how things play out.

Who knows, we have negotiated through the media before...

 

[SA16]

I don't think Skjei is better offensively than Slavin at all. Skjei had a fluke offensive season where he got a ton of secondary assists that predictably did not carry through to his second year

 

[Mac n Gs]

I don't think Skjei is better offensively than Slavin at all. Skjei had a fluke offensive season where he got a ton of secondary assists that predictably did not carry through to his second year

Just quote me next time. I based that statement off of tracked stats by Ryan Stimson and CJ Turtoro measuring passing play types and transition ability. Scoring rates are similar over the last two years, but Skjei drives more offense on an individual level compared to Slavin: higher icorsi60, ifenwick60, ishots60, ixGF60. The better rel stats for both of them favor Slavin because they’re driven by how much better defensively he is than Skjei.

 

[Tawnos]

We really can’t have a handle on Skjei right now because his only two seasons in the league have been very divergent.

Also, Slavin is super overrated by some. He’s great, don’t get me wrong. I would put him and Skjei on the same tier, though with Slavin towards the top of that tier and Skjei lower down.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Any examples?

I assume I'll be waiting a long time for this.

Hahahahaha. This made my day. Although he does have a point. Not to get personal, but you do have a tendency to lose focus in debates.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Sometimes that depends, some players will want the extra total contract money as its guaranteed (sans escrow, a work stoppage, roll back), and will actually take a little less than they may have been able to receive later on just to have the security. It give some security against them maybe not getting that next contract or a lesser one should they become injured or decline super early.

Lower the AAV, but give a higher percentage as a signing bonus with the looming lockout.

 

[Off Sides]

Lower the AAV, but give a higher percentage as a signing bonus with the looming lockout.

Yes, plus front loading contracts is a bargaining tactic that also can help lower an AVV . Certain/Most players will want more money upfront, some may even be able to invest it well enough to make up or even surpass the lesser total contract money involved, or they can blow a big chunk of it on some exotic car or house or something without needing to wait.

 

[Richard Banger]

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/search/2087947/?q=Pavel+Buchnevich&o=date&c[user][0]=291209

You mean why do I have conversations with you?.... yeah I don't know why either

 

[nyr2k2]

You mean why do I have conversations with you?.... yeah I don't know why either

Ah man, is PB doing his "why do you obsess over me?" thing again? The answer, which hopefully one day he'll figure out, is because he's a shitposter and it annoys people. If he stopped being a shitposter, no one would pay him any attention.

 

[Edge]

I really wonder how much the pending clause in Stepans contract impacted their choice to trade him.

If it did, I then wonder how much those players really want that restrictive of a pending clause should they want to stay.

What good is the clause if they are moved to somewhere they may not want to be before it goes into effect and can be nullified should the trading team decide not keep it?

Zbad also has a pending no movement clause that will go into effect July 1st 2019 should he not be moved prior. It makes me wonder how good his season will have to be for that not to be taken into consideration.

It all makes for a kind of confusing and interesting dynamic.

I've touched on this before, but I firmly believe his movement clause and Kreider's potential UFA status in 2020 will be a topic of internal discussion this season.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I don't think Skjei is better offensively than Slavin at all. Skjei had a fluke offensive season where he got a ton of secondary assists that predictably did not carry through to his second year

The whole team was a mess last year. Skjei and Slavin have practically identical PPG.

Dmen's point totals are usually secondary assists. The fact that Skjei can make that breakout pass is ****ing delightful. I wouldn't use that against him.

Let's see how Skjei does with more stability behind the bench. Very curious to see what direction he goes.

 

[SA16]

The whole team was a mess last year. Skjei and Slavin have practically identical PPG.

Dmen's point totals are usually secondary assists. The fact that Skjei can make that breakout pass is ****ing delightful. I wouldn't use that against him.

Let's see how Skjei does with more stability behind the bench. Very curious to see what direction he goes.

He had the 3rd highest secondary assist rate among defenseman in the NHL two years ago. Other players that were in the top 10 were Paul Martin (first by a mile), Brent Seabrook, Jonas Brodin, Fedor Tyutin, Denis Seidenberg, and Matt Hunwick.

Last year out of 131 dmen (1000+ min) Skjei dropped to 51, Seabrook to 87, Brodin to 121 and the other guys didn’t hit enough minutes to qualify.

His secondary assist rate that year was higher than Erik Karlsson, John Klingberg, Roman Josi, Victor Hedman, Brent Burns (as D), PK Subban have had in any year of their career

So yes I’d use it against him.

 

[QJL]

I’d increase my AAV on Hayes by a half million dollars to avoid a no move/no trade clause. The Zibanejad deal of 5.35 x 5 years would be a great deal if he’s tradeable.