For Vesey, it’s make or break time. Hopefully we’ll roll 4 lines especially if Fast and him wind up on the 4th line and we’ll see what he has for 2.2something. This is just fine with me.
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Good for him, if true (capgfriendly gives a very different #, but they have been wrong before). As someone who doesn't have to pay player's salaries from my pocket, I care far more about cap-hit ($925,000 avg over the past 2 years) though
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He didn't actually make anywhere near that amount, and his actual cap hit was nowhere near that amount. His base salary was 925k. The rest was performance bonuses, most of which he likely didn't earn.
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Not my point.
Okay, for the sake of the overthinkers. How about Devin Shore as a comparable? Shore has outscored Vesey, but not significantly, and does not play as well defensively (not saying Vesey sets the world on fire), and makes 2.3per for the next two years. Instead of looking at it in a 1:1 scope, looking at the Devin Shore deal, I see nothing wrong with it, and frankly wouldn’t even think twice about it.
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Jimmy did not meet his performance bonuses, they were things for league awards, like the Calder and stuff. When performance bonuses are met it is reflected in the cap number and recorded. But, there is a cushion where a team can go over the cap by 7.5% in a given season for performance bonus reasons - which is why there are such strict occasions as to when performance bonuses can be given out (and what they typically entail).
I like Vesey actually, and think this was a fine contract, but it was not a pay cut by any means.
I like Vesey actually, and think this was a fine contract, but it was not a pay cut by any means.
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Yeah, I misread cap friendly. Remove that stupid comment by myself, still doesn’t take the fact it’s not a bad deal in 2018.
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Yeah, those bonuses are pretty standard on ELCs. They reward young players while not hurting the team (unless you are Eugene Melnyk).
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No I understand the bonuses, and remember when he signed how it was actually aligned as if he was selected first that year (very similar in bonuses) not typical for every pick though on an ELC at all though.
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Those are the max bonuses for a player. They are given to players to sign their ELCs, albeit not every player but that is usually because the player is under exclusive team control. Nonetheless, you still see players like Matthews and McDavid get those same performance bonuses. Every team that was in on Vesey offered those same max performance bonuses - but it was just words, he was never expected to meet those.
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I'm not sure there's elite skill there.
If we are talking about centers, Zegras, Dach, Cozens and Guskov would be higher on my list among players you haven't already mentioned. Probably Suzuki, as well.
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Performance bonuses are factored into actual cap hit. It just happens that Capfriendly uses the "Cap Hit" label in reference to salary without bonuses factored in, and "AAV" in reference to maximum possible cap hit with bonuses included. His actual earnings and cap hit were somewhere between the two.
As an aside, does anyone more knowledgable than myself know what Vesey did actually get paid in bonuses?
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Twenty f*ckin years
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carolina ain’t shit to me until they’ve actually done something. right now, they’re still the “they’ll be good next year” team, four years running.
Safe to assume he wouldn't have hit any Sched B bonuses (league awards/high finishes), so the absolute max would be $850,000 in bonuses if he hit any of his Sched A ones, but based on the wording from the CBA (below) I doubt he got anything...
(a) Forwards
(i) Ice time (aggregate and/or per Game). Player must be among top
six (6) forwards on the Club (minimum 42 Regular Season Games
played by Player and comparison group). (Note: an Entry Level
SPC may contain bonuses for both aggregate and per Game ice
time; however, the maximum aggregate amount the Player may
receive on account of the ice time category is $212,500.)
(ii) Goals: 20 Goal Minimum
(iii) Assists: 35 Assist Minimum
(iv) Points: 60 Point Minimum
(v) Points Per Game: .73 Points Per Game Minimum (minimum 42
Regular Season Games played)
(vi) Plus-Minus Rating: Among top three (3) forwards on the Club
(minimum 42 Regular Season Games played by Player and
comparison group).
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No, it's not. He never hit the targets for his performance bonuses. He made 1.85m in total in 2 years.
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My heart bleeds that he only made $1.85MM in 2 years lol.
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People often mistake AAV for actual money or cap hit. It's worth pointing out that most players on an ELC never earn their performance bonuses
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Oh I know. Just making a stupid comment that he only made $1.85MM in 2 years.
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RIP, Jimmy.
When you factor in his agents portion, dues paid to the NHLPA, absurd NY taxes, his take home was likely significantly south of 1 million. Still a lot of cheese but not as much as one would think.
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I always respond as I go through the threads in the morning, reading what has been posted between 1AM and 7 AM.
A few years ago, I came across a TPB article by Sean Avery where he explains what players actually make when it comes to their salary, with agent fees etc.
Edit: Found it. The New Avery Rule | By Sean Avery
Definitely worth a read for people who haven't yet. Puts these entry level contracts into perspective.
Minus agent fees, minus NHLPA contributions, minus escrow, minus taxes etc. I am 99% sure that Jimmy Vesey isn't a millionaire just yet.
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UAGoalieGuy
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It's all relative when it comes to taxes if you live in NY. Union dues if your in a union.
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Anybody know if Karlsson was traded yet? Coulda swore people said it would be done within 24 hours...two weekends ago.
Yeah, wake me up when he gets moved at the deadline for a rental package without an extension signed.
Yeah, wake me up when he gets moved at the deadline for a rental package without an extension signed.
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Again it's all relative. If you live in NY we all pay the crazy taxes. If your in a union you pay union dues. He still makes more than most in the US with all those withholdings taken into consideration.
In perspective I live pretty comfortably but to earn his $1mm (approx) in 2 years after withholdings it would take me almost 10 years after my withholdings.
Think I've derailed the conversation so I'll stop lol
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