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Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part V: Gorton is on McLeod Nine.

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eco's bones said:
We know that Komarov has crossed the line with dirty hits before. Clutterbuck. They have Ross Johnston, Matt Martin---very likely we'll see all of them in the preseason. Radko Gudas is just a flat out dirty player who roams the ice looking to injure other players. Younger players like Chytil, Andersson will get targeted by these kinds of players and if they let their guard down they can get hurt. How are people on this board going to react if Gudas flattens Chytil at center ice with a high blind sided hit and Filip is out the rest of the year? The NHL is only going to do so much--3 game, 5 game suspensions--if you get that. Relying on the league for anything resembling justice?--there won't be any really. Personally the last couple/three years I haven't seen enough push back from the Rangers and it's something other teams particularly our rivals notice and they know they can get away with taking liberties. We'll be a very young team this coming season. I wouldn't want to see our better young players being beaten up all the time....and no one at all sticking up for them.

This anyway is the reason why you might say--yes, bring in Reaves--let the other team know that once they've crossed the line there is going to be some retribution. Personally from what I've seen of him last year I don't think McLeod is going to be nearly enough.
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But we've seen time and again that bringing in one guy just does not work -- the "guy" is usually not on the ice when it happens (sometimes doesn't get on for another 5-10 minutes).

If a player is hit, either the player or a teammate on the ice has to respond...doesn't have to be something dirty...just a "you hit us, we'll hit you" message. That's something opponents have not seen since Torts...they've known they can hit the Rangers without getting hit back...and they've known that they can take liberties without impunity.

The team as a whole needs to start standing up for itself.
 
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darko said:
You don't know what he's like off the ice. Or in the training room or gym. Just because he has no talent doesn't mean he isn't a model citizen and a good leader in the locker room.
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Right and he could also teach the guys that [mod] are where it's at. All these intangibles are reasons you guys are searching for as to why a worthless player is on the roster. If it's not tangible then it's just a complete and random guess by you guys trying to cope with yet another worthless hockey player signed to protect people.


If he's such a hard worker and plays the right way and sticks up for his teammates then why oh why did he do jack jack when vesey and staal got cheapshotted.

To me that screams bad character more than good since he's supposed to be all about the team.

But let's for a second say you're all 100 percent right...then that means...at absolute best case...he's a crap player who got a job to provide some sort of intangible presenslce to this team over a player who might actually develop into something useful.

I mean ffs we signed Donald brashear to do this job...because of intangibles in the locker room? No..because he can punch faces and this clubs has valued that aspect for decades.


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Always amuses me how we go through a summer listening to insider quotes about the price for player A (with a year left on his contract) being too high, and then the deadline comes and everyone is ready to throw around 1st rounders and prospects for a few months of a guy.

If you're gong to end up giving up a first anyway, wouldn't you want a full season of a Zucc? Happens every damn year.
 
Inferno said:
He Americanized his last name because Americans suck at pronouncing names. I've got a weird name that most ppl can't pronounce.. just ask @Gardner McKay . It's a personal thing with me...I'm calling him by his proper name. Just like I still say mats zuccarello-aasen.
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Well, I had no issues but yeah. I can see why others would. I am sure some of the folks in the hockey league had a hard time.

We (Americans) do suck at pronouncing names.
 
mjolnir13 said:
But we've seen time and again that bringing in one guy just does not work -- the "guy" is usually not on the ice when it happens (sometimes doesn't get on for another 5-10 minutes).

If a player is hit, either the player or a teammate on the ice has to respond...doesn't have to be something dirty...just a "you hit us, we'll hit you" message. That's something opponents have not seen since Torts...they've known they can hit the Rangers without getting hit back...and they've known that they can take liberties without impunity.

The team as a whole needs to start standing up for itself.
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A Captain obvious winning statement for sure (not a shot at you).......but the single most true statement that has "got to be" rectified immediately.

Honestly, I dont care if we end up 20-50-12, as long as I see these players (young or established) stand up for themselves and maybe more importantly....... for "one another".

Hockey has changed, but not to the degree that it has entirely lost the culture of hockey. For me, the true meaning of a team is exemplified in this sport, more than any other, for this reason. It still is imperative that one team is not intimidated by the other. It unifies a team, even more so than winning. I remember the 70's, its engorged in my brain.
 
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East Coast Bias said:
Always amuses me how we go through a summer listening to insider quotes about the price for player A (with a year left on his contract) being too high, and then the deadline comes and everyone is ready to throw around 1st rounders and prospects for a few months of a guy.

If you're gong to end up giving up a first anyway, wouldn't you want a full season of a Zucc? Happens every damn year.
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Amazing, amazing, amazing. Ain't that the truth! If that player is a good fit for you at the deadline, then isn't he a good fit earlier? Could it be, teams want to evaluate their own players prior to the tdl? I dunno.
 
Gardner McKay said:
Well, I had no issues but yeah. I can see why others would. I am sure some of the folks in the hockey league had a hard time.

We (Americans) do suck at pronouncing names.
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Due to our rich immigration history, arguably no other nation has had to contend with the variety of surname backgrounds as the US except maybe Canada. I find we do very well until you get away from the coast and cities. As an example, How is the average Pacific Islander at pronouncing Czech Names? How is the average Czech in pronouncing Pacific Islander Names? We do both reasonably well, among dozens of others.
 
Inferno said:
He Americanized his last name because Americans suck at pronouncing names. I've got a weird name that most ppl can't pronounce.. just ask @Gardner McKay . It's a personal thing with me...I'm calling him by his proper name. Just like I still say mats zuccarello-aasen.
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His proper name is what he decides it is, whatever the reasons.
 
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BBKers said:
I heard there was a serious NYR interest. Twice. But as I understand it, no match has been found - yet - of the other moving pieces.
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It makes a ton of sense they are interested in him. Gorton drafted him in Boston. If Edmonton would be willing to add, he could be a useful 2nd line winger for the next few years and then a 3rd line winger following that.
 
NYR Viper said:
It makes a ton of sense they are interested in him. Gorton drafted him in Boston. If Edmonton would be willing to add, he could be a useful 2nd line winger for the next few years and then a 3rd line winger following that.
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This is a best case scenario that I don’t think will play out. We better make EDM pay big if this is what we do.
 
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I had a political reference in my prior post, let me get it right this time:

If you’re hunting for Bigras/Gilmour signing news, probably steer clear of Bigras’ Twitter. According to his page, he’s still affiliated with the Avs. Perhaps it’s an emotional longing. Either that or his D list agent hasn’t pointed out that he needs to log in and change the organization.

@Chris_Bigras
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East Coast Bias said:
Always amuses me how we go through a summer listening to insider quotes about the price for player A (with a year left on his contract) being too high, and then the deadline comes and everyone is ready to throw around 1st rounders and prospects for a few months of a guy.

If you're gong to end up giving up a first anyway, wouldn't you want a full season of a Zucc? Happens every damn year.
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But you need a guy to lead the young Rangers into battle ;)
 
mjolnir13 said:
But we've seen time and again that bringing in one guy just does not work -- the "guy" is usually not on the ice when it happens (sometimes doesn't get on for another 5-10 minutes).

If a player is hit, either the player or a teammate on the ice has to respond...doesn't have to be something dirty...just a "you hit us, we'll hit you" message. That's something opponents have not seen since Torts...they've known they can hit the Rangers without getting hit back...and they've known that they can take liberties without impunity.

The team as a whole needs to start standing up for itself.
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I agree that there needs to be a team mentality but it can start with one guy and then build. Whether McLeod is that guy is a big question mark for me. That Nashville game last year sticks in my memory more than any other game the entire season. For me it was the absolute last straw with AV remaining in charge--though at that point we weren't going anywhere and I wasn't crazy about the Rangers hiring an interim as IMO having a placeholder until you've chosen who you really want isn't always a good thing.

IMO the Rangers could use some others who are better players but who could back up the mentality. IMO of what was still available Chris Stewart would have been a better choice than McLeod.
 
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Unless the team mentality changes, no "one guy" is ever gonna make a difference.
 
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Gardner McKay said:
Well, I had no issues but yeah. I can see why others would. I am sure some of the folks in the hockey league had a hard time.

We (Americans) do suck at pronouncing names.
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It's the same reason people called Prospal "Vinny" while his name was Vaclav. It's lazy. But hey, they can't even pronounce Nyquist's name properly, yet when it comes to French-Canadian names, they go out of their way to get the pronunciation right but I've given up on these things. It is what it is.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
It's the same reason people called Prospal "Vinny" while his name was Vaclav. It's lazy. But hey, they can't even pronounce Nyquist's name properly, yet when it comes to French-Canadian names, they go out of their way to get the pronunciation right but I've given up on these things. It is what it is.
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It’s a good point, certainly culturally void in this respect. It’s lazy and disrespectful. For these reasons, I’m flattered when I’m regularly mistaken for European.
 
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