GDT: Free Agent Frenzy Part IV - GM Alert "Staal is a Steal"! Marc that...

[UAGoalieGuy]

Assuming there won't be much of player movement or rumors today.

 

[STHLM]

Think they somehow manage to flip Staal/Holden + other lesser pieces for a 1C/2C? Which player are they realistically gonna get in return?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Think they somehow manage to flip Staal/Holden + other lesser pieces for a 1C/2C? Which player are they realistically gonna get in return?

I highly doubt Staal or Holden plus some lesser pieces will net the Rangers anything close to a #1 or #2 C.

They would have to at least move one of Hayes/Miller/Kreider as part of a package.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I picture Sakic looking at himself in the mirror and saying "Don't let them bully you, don't let them call you stupid, you're the best" before every conversation he has with other GMs.

I'm brave enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me.

 

[SnowFort]

Assuming there won't be much of player movement or rumors today.

Grigorenko is said to be making his decision between a KHL team and two NHL teams today. Other than that, I don't think anything crazy will go down.

 

[Revel]

Grigorenko is said to be making his decision between a KHL team and two NHL teams today. Other than that, I don't think anything crazy will go down.

Grigorenko signed with CSKA Moscow yesterday morning.

 

[Mac n Gs]

grigorenko signed with cska moscow yesterday morning.

 

[Revel]

Thanks Mac. It was on TSN yesterday, so I figured it was legit. Guess they jumped the gun?

 

[Mac n Gs]

Thanks Mac. It was on TSN yesterday, so I figured it was legit. Guess they jumped the gun?

Aivin Kalnins reported it orginally, but then had to back track a bit. Grigs got the offer from Moscow but never put pen to paper

 

[Hitch16]

Assuming there won't be much of player movement or rumors today.

I thought so too but I believe Drury and Gomez were signed on July 4, 2007 (or announced). I also believe it was a mid week signing.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I thought so too but I believe Drury and Gomez were signed on July 4, 2007 (or announced). I also believe it was a mid week signing.

May be they were introduced at a press conference that day? I thought they both signed on July 1.

 

[Fugazy]

Do we know who the two NHL teams are?

 

[Irishguy42]

Do we know who the two NHL teams are?

I asked Igor and he said he didn't know. I haven't seen any other information about it either.

 

[RangerBoy]

Drury and Gomez were signed on July 1,2007. It was late afternoon/early evening. Gomez was gone in two years. Drury was bought out before the final season. If you look at the history of the Rangers free agent signings, they never complete the entire contract with the Rangers. It's very rare. Wade Redden. Compliance buyout. Brad Richards. Amnesty buyout. Bobby Holik. Amnesty buyout. Darius Kasparaitis finished his career in the minors. Marian Gaborik was traded during the fourth year. Val Kamensky was bought out. Theo Fleury went to rehab before the Rangers could trade him. Stepane Quintal was placed on waivers and picked up by the Hawks who sent Brad Brown and Michal Grosek to the Rangers as future considerations. Q wouldn't waive his NTC and Sather worked out a deal with Mike Smith in Chicago. Smith had Q in Winnipeg. For some reason,Quintal didn't want to waive his NTC. I remember there was a story I think it was out Montreal about how much Quintal regretted leaving the Habs for the Rangers. Vladimir Malakhov was traded to the Flyers. Sylvain Lefebvre finished his career as a Ranger. Sather wanted to buy him out but the player was injured. Greg de Vries. Traded to Ottawa for Karel Rachunek. Matt Cullen. Traded back to Carolina. Markus Naslund retired. How many players is that? One.

Dan Girardi was bought out. Marc Staal is not completing the contract with the Rangers. Four more years. No.

Rick Nash was a trade. He had six years remaining on his contract. Five years are finished. Is he finishing the contract with the Rangers?

The only trade I remember on the 4th of July was the Blues acquiring Al MacInnis from the Flames in 1994 for Phil Housley. There were draft picks involved but that was the main part of the deal.

 

[Raspewtin]

Except that he isn't.

https://www.si.com/nhl/2017/03/02/illustrated-review-importance-nhl-faceoff

Are some face offs more important than others? No doubt about it, but over the long haul, they have little
affect on the game. I know the second the Rangers give up a goal after losing a face off in a close game the "FACEOFFZ MATTER" crowd likes to jump out of the bushes, but the truth is that I could probably point to at least a half dozen things that the team did in said game that were more detrimental than losing a draw.

A huge chunk of face offs are won by the wingers digging out the puck after the centers pretty much draw each other to a stalemate. A high face off percentage is near the bottom of the list of "nice to have" qualities of a team.

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That's all fine and good. But when you lose a face off and the puck ends up in the back of your next a few seconds later it's safe to say 99% of the time you don't get scored on right there had you won that draw.

And how many times does that happen a game? Once, maybe? Out of >30 draws?

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Drury and Gomez were signed on July 1,2007. It was late afternoon/early evening. Gomez was gone in two years. Drury was bought out before the final season. If you look at the history of the Rangers free agent signings, they never complete the entire contract with the Rangers. It's very rare. Wade Redden. Compliance buyout. Brad Richards. Amnesty buyout. Bobby Holik. Amnesty buyout. Darius Kasparaitis finished his career in the minors. Marian Gaborik was traded during the fourth year. Val Kamensky was bought out. Theo Fleury went to rehab before the Rangers could trade him. Stepane Quintal was placed on waivers and picked up by the Hawks who sent Brad Brown and Michal Grosek to the Rangers as future considerations. Q wouldn't waive his NTC and Sather worked out a deal with Mike Smith in Chicago. Smith had Q in Winnipeg. For some reason,Quintal didn't want to waive his NTC. I remember there was a story I think it was out Montreal about how much Quintal regretted leaving the Habs for the Rangers. Vladimir Malakhov was traded to the Flyers. Sylvain Lefebvre finished his career as a Ranger. Sather wanted to buy him out but the player was injured. Greg de Vries. Traded to Ottawa for Karel Rachunek. Matt Cullen. Traded back to Carolina. Markus Naslund retired. How many players is that? One.

Dan Girardi was bought out. Marc Staal is not completing the contract with the Rangers. Four more years. No.

Rick Nash was a trade. He had six years remaining on his contract. Five years are finished. Is he finishing the contract with the Rangers?

The only trade I remember on the 4th of July was the Blues acquiring Al MacInnis from the Flames in 1994 for Phil Housley. There were draft picks involved but that was the main part of the deal.

Yeah, but, hero charts didn't exist yet

 

[RangerBoy]

Checketts, scheduled to join the Rangers in Washington on Monday, suspended Quintal on the advice of the assistant general manager, Don Maloney. In an interview with the French-language daily La Presse of Montreal earlier this week, Quintal said he erred in signing with the Rangers last summer and wanted to return to Montreal.

''My heart is in Montreal,'' Quintal was quoted as saying.

Quintal, 31, is from Boucherville, Quebec. He played with the Canadiens the last four seasons before signing a four-year, $11.4 million contract with the Rangers.

''All I know is he doesn't want to be a Ranger,'' John Tortorella, the interim coach of the Rangers, said before making his National Hockey League coaching debut today. ''What Mr. Checketts did is right. He sent him home.''

In Quintal's La Presse interview, he was also quoted as saying:

*''We had been expecting Muckler to go since October. It was hell. He argued with most of the veterans.''

*''Honestly, Petr Nedved is not a No. 1 center in the N.H.L.''

*''Maybe there were too many chiefs and not enough Indians. It's like the experienced guys didn't dare take the lead in the dressing room.'' Quintal's agent, Pat Brisson, said today: ''Q may have gone a little too far. He was somewhat relieved that John wasn't going to be back anymore. But by the same token, he probably unfortunately went a little too far.''

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/02/s...the-playoffs-suspend-disgruntled-quintal.html

The Rangers, Blackhawks and NHL can frame it any way they desire, but the fact of the matter is that Glen Sather and Chicago GM Mike Smith broke the spirit, if not the letter of collectively bargained law, in yesterday’s trade(s) that saw Stephane Quintal exchanged for winger Michal Grosek and defenseman Brad Brown.

These parties now claim that because Quintal was waived to the Blackhawks and because Grosak and Brown were thereafter sent to the Rangers for unspecified future considerations, the clause in Quintal’s contract that guarantees a fifth year at $3 million in case of a trade does not apply. It’s a claim Quintal’s representatives intend to contest.

“We’re definitely going to investigate the whole thing,†agent Pat Brisson told The Post. “It smells very fishy. We’re certainly going to study this very, very carefully.â€

The odor becomes all that more pungent upon The Post’s discovery that Sather on Sunday asked Quintal to waive his mutually bargained fifth year right in order to affect a trade to the Blackhawks. The defenseman, who signed a four-year, $11.4M guaranteed contract as an unrestricted free agent in July of 1999, declined the invitation to forfeit the money.

http://nypost.com/2000/10/06/quintals-waiver-raises-eyebrows/

Quintal is now in charge of NHL player discipline. This guy harbors no resentment towards the Rangers. Sure.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I love when RB drops straight truth bombs. Always a great read to go with the morning coffee. And honestly, he brings up a super interesting point about those UFA contracts. This is super off topic, but how many players actually play through the duration of those contracts they sign? Is Oshie staying in Washington for 8 years? Price? Toews? Kane? Alzner? Okposo? The list goes on an on, and honestly, us getting Shatty for only 4 years with trade flexibility is huge.

 

[TheTakedown]

That's silly on one side of the spectrum; the other is Sather offering Rozsival (who everyone knew was overpaid) + Zherdev (who we didnt even sign) for Dany Heatley, coming off 4 seasons at an average of 45 goals a season.

Some teams ask for the moon, and some teams send awful lowball offers just in case. The difference between these instances and the current Avs one is that eventually the deals moderate out with deliberation and compromise. It isn't clear Sakic is willing to do that.

MacKinnon-Duchene is not the new Forsberg-Sakic, and he should recognize that by now.

Then sakic should be trading for futures -- draft picks specifically... There's no one touch fix for that team, and getting a player just to toss him into a loser environment and hope he can turn it arund is going to do nothing but kill the player itself.

 

[NYRSchrute217]

Drury and Gomez were signed on July 1,2007. It was late afternoon/early evening. Gomez was gone in two years. Drury was bought out before the final season. If you look at the history of the Rangers free agent signings, they never complete the entire contract with the Rangers. It's very rare. Wade Redden. Compliance buyout. Brad Richards. Amnesty buyout. Bobby Holik. Amnesty buyout. Darius Kasparaitis finished his career in the minors. Marian Gaborik was traded during the fourth year. Val Kamensky was bought out. Theo Fleury went to rehab before the Rangers could trade him. Stepane Quintal was placed on waivers and picked up by the Hawks who sent Brad Brown and Michal Grosek to the Rangers as future considerations. Q wouldn't waive his NTC and Sather worked out a deal with Mike Smith in Chicago. Smith had Q in Winnipeg. For some reason,Quintal didn't want to waive his NTC. I remember there was a story I think it was out Montreal about how much Quintal regretted leaving the Habs for the Rangers. Vladimir Malakhov was traded to the Flyers. Sylvain Lefebvre finished his career as a Ranger. Sather wanted to buy him out but the player was injured. Greg de Vries. Traded to Ottawa for Karel Rachunek. Matt Cullen. Traded back to Carolina. Markus Naslund retired. How many players is that? One.

Dan Girardi was bought out. Marc Staal is not completing the contract with the Rangers. Four more years. No.

Rick Nash was a trade. He had six years remaining on his contract. Five years are finished. Is he finishing the contract with the Rangers?

The only trade I remember on the 4th of July was the Blues acquiring Al MacInnis from the Flames in 1994 for Phil Housley. There were draft picks involved but that was the main part of the deal.

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the Seguin/Eriksson trade was on July 4th.

Also, Parise and Suter both signed on July 4th.

 

[Section311]

Drury and Gomez were signed on July 1,2007. It was late afternoon/early evening. Gomez was gone in two years. Drury was bought out before the final season. If you look at the history of the Rangers free agent signings, they never complete the entire contract with the Rangers. It's very rare. Wade Redden. Compliance buyout. Brad Richards. Amnesty buyout. Bobby Holik. Amnesty buyout. Darius Kasparaitis finished his career in the minors. Marian Gaborik was traded during the fourth year. Val Kamensky was bought out. Theo Fleury went to rehab before the Rangers could trade him. Stepane Quintal was placed on waivers and picked up by the Hawks who sent Brad Brown and Michal Grosek to the Rangers as future considerations. Q wouldn't waive his NTC and Sather worked out a deal with Mike Smith in Chicago. Smith had Q in Winnipeg. For some reason,Quintal didn't want to waive his NTC. I remember there was a story I think it was out Montreal about how much Quintal regretted leaving the Habs for the Rangers. Vladimir Malakhov was traded to the Flyers. Sylvain Lefebvre finished his career as a Ranger. Sather wanted to buy him out but the player was injured. Greg de Vries. Traded to Ottawa for Karel Rachunek. Matt Cullen. Traded back to Carolina. Markus Naslund retired. How many players is that? One.

Dan Girardi was bought out. Marc Staal is not completing the contract with the Rangers. Four more years. No.

Rick Nash was a trade. He had six years remaining on his contract. Five years are finished. Is he finishing the contract with the Rangers?

The only trade I remember on the 4th of July was the Blues acquiring Al MacInnis from the Flames in 1994 for Phil Housley. There were draft picks involved but that was the main part of the deal.

I think Boston traded Tyler seguin on July 4th. I remember being at a party when it happened

 

[Irishguy42]

The Seguin trade was on July 4th.

 

[eco's bones]

Teams giving 30 year old players--like Vlasic and Oshie--8 year contracts is insane and those two players aren't even elite. Defensemen especially as they get into their 30's tend to get injured more--a couple major injuries in their 30's and it's pretty much career over. Marc Staal (who has yet to even reach 30) is a case in point--he use to be a premier shutdown defenseman--now he's like the old lady on the ramp leading to the highway who has everyone honking their horns and shouting obscenities at her because she can't get out of the way.

The Shattenkirk deal we just did was done right. 4 year term--it might be even that Kevin doesn't last that out but there's at least a pretty good chance he does.

Look at Crosby too--8 years left on his $8.7 mil per year deal. I think there's about a 1% chance that Sid can still play by the end of that stretch. The next concussion might finish him and that could happen any time. He's had several and he'll at least have another.

If you're going to hand out 8 year terms you give them to 25 and under players. Otherwise you're setting yourself up for disaster.

 

[Chiclets24]

Do not kill off any of the defensive depth just because we have it. Injuries are always in play, for us and other clubs.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Teams giving 30 year old players--like Vlasic and Oshie--8 year contracts is insane and those two players aren't even elite. Defensemen especially as they get into their 30's tend to get injured more--a couple major injuries in their 30's and it's pretty much career over. Marc Staal (who has yet to even reach 30) is a case in point--he use to be a premier shutdown defenseman--now he's like the old lady on the ramp leading to the highway who has everyone honking their horns and shouting obscenities at her because she can't get out of the way.

The Shattenkirk deal we just did was done right. 4 year term--it might be even that Kevin doesn't last that out but there's at least a pretty good chance he does.

Look at Crosby too--8 years left on his $8.7 mil per year deal. I think there's about a 1% chance that Sid can still play by the end of that stretch. The next concussion might finish him and that could happen any time. He's had several and he'll at least have another.

If you're going to hand out 8 year terms you give them to 25 and under players. Otherwise you're setting yourself up for disaster.

I agree with Oshie but Vlasic is elite imo, a top 5 defensive player in the league, i'm very OK with his contract being 8 years honestly.
Vlasic is a true core player for Sharks and their window to win is now, 8 years is the price of doing business there imo, they had to do it.