Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part III - Will EK stay or will EK go?

[RGY]

Why help the Bolts? Rangers want both Karlsson and Ryan, according to a Swedish paper.

What paper...nothing has been said about that

 

[duhmetreE]

What paper...nothing has been said about that

It was just reiterating the 4th period article

 

[JT Kreider]

Why help the Bolts? Rangers want both Karlsson and Ryan, according to a Swedish paper.

Well for one if they win the Cup that's a 31 pick difference for us.

And the Lightning better be helping us just as much as we would be helping them by taking on both Callahan and Ryan.

Their entire future would belong to us. Katchouk, Joseph, Somppi and Raddysh.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

What paper...nothing has been said about that

It’s been on Twitter.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It’s been on Twitter.

Oh, it's official then

 

[Webster]

Oh, it's official then

At least, according to this paper, a trade is imminent. Rangers, Bolts, Stars involved.

I've heard Karlsson wants to come here..
- He likes all the Swedes they picked up
- He and his wife wouldn't mind living in NYC
- Hank his buddy

Nya uppgifter: Karlsson blir klar i dag

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

At least, according to this paper, a trade is imminent.

I've heard Karlsson wants to come here..
- He likes all the Swedes they picked up
- He and his wife wouldn't mind living in NYC
- Hank his buddy

Nya uppgifter: Karlsson blir klar i dag

It's an article that speculates based on what TFP reported. It's not at all reliable for that reason. Remember when someone made up the Kucherov rumor, Eklund ran with it and it was then showing up all over the internet, and even on radio in Florida? Just because more people say the same thing, doesn't mean it's any more reliable as long as the source is the same.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

I think it's kind of ironic that the same people complaining about taking a "safe" player like Andersson over Mittelstadt, are panning the Rangers for taking Kravtsov over Wahlstrom.

I like the Kravtsov pick. Supported it from the start.

Maybe you're thinking about someone else.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Oh, it's official then

Lol

 

[DutchShamrock]

The argument being, we will trade for Karlsson and then have to relegate him to the nursing home in two years.

I'm waiting for EK to win it first, until then let's try to acquire 2015 winner Carey Price.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

I'm waiting for EK to win it first, until then let's try to acquire 2015 winner Carey Price.

Huh?

 

[Fitzy]

We can't live or die on each rumor.

 

[Webster]

It's an article that speculates based on what TFP reported. It's not at all reliable for that reason. Remember when someone made up the Kucherov rumor, Eklund ran with it and it was then showing up all over the internet, and even on radio in Florida? Just because more people say the same thing, doesn't mean it's any more reliable as long as the source is the same.

True enough, but if you don't understand that Swedish headline, it says:

Latest news: Karlsson will be ready for a new club today

Don't ask me where they got it from.

 

[haveandare]

He's right about the whining part, which people do regardless of what opinion you have...

Here's what I'm getting:

If you're down for the rebuild -
You can't be critical of Gordie Clark, regardless of his past decisions, and not only must you give him the benefit of every doubt. .. you have to act like he just drafted the superstar.
Trust is earned! And so is mistrust!
I know he can draft a "good" player. ...
We need more than just good... unless you've resigned yourself.

Same goes for Gorton. Just because he's not Glen Sather I have make plans for the parade? I'm not totally convinced Sathers out of the picture completely when he's seated at the draft table...
Jim Dolan loves Sather.
Gorton has done some good... some.

I'll be sceptical until proven otherwise.
I'm not going to shower heaps of praise upon a franchise that should have taken their medicine years ago.

You can be critical of whoever for whatever but be consistent in what you what and expect from them. It's that simple.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Huh?

The argument is Hart trophy winners don't fall off, there for EK will hold up. But he hasn't won the trophy. Price has, so the argument must be he wont fall off and he'll be ready when our window opens. I mean, that's what I have to assume from this irrelevant, circumstantial evidence people are using.

 

[haveandare]

Based on the Rangers track record and their inability to develop an elite high end offensive talent (one of the only teams in the league unable to do so), I think it's quite fair to not fully trust the picks this teams makes.

Especially when it comes to the goalie position. Especially when that position is the strongest part of the entire organization. Especially when this team has had the best goalie in the league the last decade and has nothing to show for it.

It's perfectly reasonable to "whine" about all the talent we missed over the last decade with our atrocious 2nd round drafting.

It's perfectly reasonable to think that some of these picks was just another questionable decision in a long line of questionable decisions.

There's a difference between not fully trusting the picks they make and complaining about how they're incompetent or whatever else based on the picks they make, especially picks in the last two years that haven't had a chance to pan out yet.

I'd argue that is is unreasonable to whine about every pick with hindsight. Drafting is trying to predict the future. Going back once you're in that future and picking apart picks with hindsight is unreasonable.

If you think a pick is "just another questionable decision" it should be for a solid reason that addresses both players and some reality based comparison, not because the guy who made the pick wasted a 2nd 3 years ago that is only obvious now with hindsight.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

True enough, but if you don't understand that Swedish headline, it says:

Latest news: Karlsson will be ready for a new club today

Don't ask me where they got it from.

Trust me, growing up in the Netherlands, I understand Swedish. The languages are quite similar. And I understand it enough to read that article and where they get their information from. To me, that's just speculation based on an unconfirmed rumor. There's no actual source involved here.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

The argument is Hart trophy winners don't fall off, there for EK will hold up. But he hasn't won the trophy. Price has, so the argument must be he wont fall off and he'll be ready when our window opens. I mean, that's what I have to assume from this irrelevant, circumstantial evidence people are using.

That wasn’t his point and he made it quite clear in the first sentence of his post. I don’t think that it’s irrelevant at all. Those numbers show clearly, players on that level maintain that level well into their 30’s sans for injuries, which is really a risk for any player.

 

[nyr2k2]

True enough, but if you don't understand that Swedish headline, it says:

Latest news: Karlsson will be ready for a new club today

Don't ask me where they got it from.

No one is asking you where they got it from. I think that part is fairly well established--it even says in the article "according to The Fourth Period."

I understand Aftonbladet is a big paper for sports news in Sweden. And, I understand Karlsson is Swedish! But do you really think they would be the source to break a deal of this magnitude? Unless it comes from a legitimate beat writer or a TSN guy (or someone of that caliber), people should be extremely skeptical. And even then, if a legit guy reports something, it's best to wait for confirmation from at least one other source, as even legit guys get it wrong, or things change, etc.

 

[Leetch3]

Hopefully this Karlsson trade is holding the entire NHL up, once it's done we can start to see some real traction. Like a Zuccarello trade.

I could see a team like Florida being interested, they'll probably be backing away from a Pacioretty trade if Borgstrom is the asking price.

Or Zucc retained at 50% to Tampa could be part of the Karlsson trade. We take on Callahan and get Somppi and Raddysh and another pick.

I wouldn’t be surprised if zucc got traded later today. But right now I’d lean toward him starting the year in ny and playing on chytil’s wing to help him develop. Then dealt at the deadline

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Which player available to the Rangers with "legitimate superstar potential" did they pass? Where was the available franchise changer?

They can't stop getting picks because people don't like Clark. What's the better option?

Sure the Rangers could be trying for Karlsson, but who knows what is going on in regards to that front.

I understand what you are saying to a degree but the Rangers have not been in a position to get the player that you are advocating. They tried moving up in the draft but other teams turned them down. I don't think it's for lack of trying or negligence. Kravtsov is the closest thing to a home run swing that they have made.

Tampa traded Drouin for Sergachev. Nashville traded Erat for Forsberg. Hamilton was traded for Hanifin. Larsson was traded for Hall. Saad was traded for Panarin.

For all the moves Gorton made, the three best assets they own -- Shestyorkin, Chytil and Kravtsov -- were original Rangers picks. But only thee studs out the last five drafts ain't anything to brag about.

This rebuild will be like 2004, when all the picks and prospects collectively suck and were massively overrated by both the fans and the front office. It'll be one or two that will be built around, and that building will be done with vets and roster player trades.

The biggest key to the rebuild is cap space. Clark lately has sucked at drafting elite talent, so the onus is on pro scouting to grab other teams' assets.

Plus, three teams within the division -- Philly, Isles and Devils -- already have franchise players with superstar potential and deep prospect pools to boot.

Going for a full tear-down rebuild will take close to a decade.

 

[Siddi]

True enough, but if you don't understand that Swedish headline, it says:

Latest news: Karlsson will be ready for a new club today

Don't ask me where they got it from.

Its clickbait. The entire article is built on the TFP report from a day ago. They even mention TFP as their source.

Aftonbladets sport section is a disgrace. They just copy paste whatever they find interesting from other sites.

 

[Savant]

I like the Kravtsov pick. Supported it from the start.

Maybe you're thinking about someone else.

Wasnt referring specifically to you there. It's been an unfortunately common narrative in general though.

 

[eco's bones]

I get you. Dobson is a pick I would have loved as well, because I feel they are all in that same tier (Dobson, Kravtsov, Bouchard, Wahlstrom) and within that tier I can see going for need. Dobson as a RHD fills a huge void in our farm.



I think there's an unfair fear regarding Russian players. Cherepanov dying, some Russians not coming over (Gusev for instance). But at some point, we need to get over our fears.

FWIW Russian players were just starting to come over in the late 80's--there wasn't really the stigma attached to them that they'd bail on their North American teams---though FWIW the episodes with Radulov and Kovalchuk certainly didn't help. That some Russian players preferred to stay in Russia or didn't like it so much here and went home happened too. Teams need to do their homework on players if they're going to draft them in the first round or two anyway.

Some of those early Russian though were taken in the middle to late rounds. Fetisov, Larionov, Kasatonov, Markarov, Fedorov, Mogilny, Bure, Konstantinov. The teams that drafted these guys really one upped everyone else. For us Zubov was a 5th rounder. Nemchinov in the 12th.

 

[SA16]

That wasn’t his point and he maid it quite clear in the first sentence of his post. I don’t think that it’s irrelevant at all. Those numbers show clearly, players on that level maintain that level well into their 30’s sans for injuries, which is really a risk for any player.

I give up. See everyone later in the week. That's just a clear point of having either not read or entirely ignored the second sentence I wrote.