Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part III - Will EK stay or will EK go?

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I think the trade ends up being something like:

Tampa: Karlsson, NYR #6 2019 and a prospect like Fogarty/Gilmour.

Ottawa: Sergachev, JT Miller, Volkov and 2020 #1.

Rangers: Callahan, Raddysh, condition removed for 2019 pick, 2019 #3.
 
I'm spamming now and I apologize, so 1 last thought and I won't rain on the parade.

Vegas, Tampa, Colorado, Dallas. They are going for EK because their window is opening or about to open. They have the stars in place and are contending now. They have cap issues but are looking for solutions. Why is everyone else on the sidelines? They can make cap space. He should make them instant contenders, no? Most are better than us so they should be in a better spot. He will sign here because Henke, never mind parts of the fanbase are running him out of town and he's winding down.

These other teams are staying out because the timing isn't there. The cost in a trade will derail the path and saddle them with a huge cap burden.

"Why is everyone else on the sidelines?"

You have to take into consideration the player in question own desires. If Tampa,Vegas or whatever team that has been reported close to getting him is such a great fit for him and he really wants to be there, how come there is no deal yet? Everyone knows that Dorions leverage is zero at this point so why is it that no deal has been inked?

My only fear is that Gorton blows this lay up.
 
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Rick Nash was straight up dominating his first 10-15 games. . Truly, beast mode.... until the concussion... which then turned into concussions. He was never the same after that.

Karlsson had an 'off' year, coming off an injury, on a terrible team, in a bad situation while losing his child. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

Interesting that they are all different prior to acquisition but the end result is the same.

Go after star player because they are different, then watch as that star player disappoints and becomes a burden to the team on the ice and on the Cap.

Happened with Redden, Drury, Gomez, Kaspar, Holik, Nash.

There were justifications for each, and the end result was the same.

Failure and disappointment.

I'm tired of that approach. It hasn't worked when were decent (came close, but no cup).

I have no doubt, much like Nash, EK65 would be a beast in years 1-3, but beyond that I fully expect extreme regression and continued medical issues with his leg(s).

Same old song and dance. Different names, different justifications, but I have my doubts of a different result when the numerous past attempts resulted in failure.
 
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"Why is everyone else on the sidelines?"

You have to take into consideration the player in question own desires. If Tampa,Vegas or whatever team that has been reported close to getting him is such a great fit for him and he really wants to be there, how come there is no deal yet? Everyone knows that Dorions leverage is zero at this point so why is it that no deal has been inked?

My only fear is that Gorton blows this lay up.

Again, the only team that has been rumored close to getting him (this summer at least) is Tampa.

If you believe what been written, the only reason a deal has yet to be completed is because Melnyk is a lunatic and keeps on changing his mind on including/not including Ryan after Dorion receives an offer that he deems satisfactory.

You know the Rangers name being leaked out likely comes from Ottawa's end to increase the price in EK right?
 
JESUS H f***ING CHRIST .

this board is full of whiny little children. For years it was fire slats he steps back and gorton takes the reigns people complain.

People beg for a rebuild finally start one the off season hits and complain cause were not going after Karlsson which would hamper the rebuild.

At last yrs draft people are pissed cause they draft lias who was the safe pick over middlestat. This yr they go swinging for the fences for a guy in kravtov who hits his ceiling will be a much better player then wallstrom.

You guys love to bitch for the sake of bitching you remind me of my 5 yo nephew.

Sure I wanted wahlstrom because he was drilled into me by the media to be the better pick. BUT I'm not a hockey scout so I have to trust the process and the people.

I do trust gorton to me he has made more good moves then bad. And I do believe that he moved mcd at the right time and got the best package he could.

Just sit back and enjoy the rebuild you guys clamored for with the new gm you guys clamored for and the swing for the fences pick you guys clamored for.
 
If you take a look at past Norris Trophy and Hart Trophy winners (I.e. extremely elite players on a similar level to Karlsson) they pretty much were all very good well into their 30s. Comparing him to simply a very good player like Nash is an unfair comparison.

There’s far more reason to think he will remain elite to very very good than to think he’s going to experience a sharp decline. In fact the main reason I’m sure people don’t like it is because the rangers have had bad long term deals before (Staal Girardi Richards Gomez Drury) for far inferior players.
 
Again, the only team that has been rumored close to getting him (this summer at least) is Tampa.

If you believe what been written, the only reason a deal has yet to be completed is because Melnyk is a lunatic and keeps on changing his mind on including/not including Ryan after Dorion receives an offer that he deems satisfactory.

You know the Rangers name being leaked out likely comes from Ottawa's end to increase the price in EK right?

We have had this discussion before, there have been numerous rumors reporting EK as close to several teams, Both from verified twitter accounts and from our own vetted users on HFNYR. I am not saying that they are all true or that I believe them but to claim that only close rumors been about Tampa is wrong.

Dorion wouldn't need to "leak" Rangers involvement because everyone involved already knew Rangers is a very credible threat to them getting EK. Hence my sarcastic comment to TFPs "reveal" that Rangers was back in the mix.

They were never out to begin with.
 
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JESUS H ****ING CHRIST .

this board is full of whiny little children. For years it was fire slats he steps back and gorton takes the reigns people complain.

People beg for a rebuild finally start one the off season hits and complain cause were not going after Karlsson which would hamper the rebuild.

At last yrs draft people are pissed cause they draft lias who was the safe pick over middlestat. This yr they go swinging for the fences for a guy in kravtov who hits his ceiling will be a much better player then wallstrom.

You guys love to ***** for the sake of *****ing you remind me of my 5 yo nephew.

Sure I wanted wahlstrom because he was drilled into me by the media to be the better pick. BUT I'm not a hockey scout so I have to trust the process and the people.

I do trust gorton to me he has made more good moves then bad. And I do believe that he moved mcd at the right time and got the best package he could.

Just sit back and enjoy the rebuild you guys clamored for with the new gm you guys clamored for and the swing for the fences pick you guys clamored for.


Sober up, before you post.
 
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Didn't you just dump on the front office for elitist thinking and believing they know more than everyone else?

Yes, I did. "Liking" another player/pick doesn't contradict that...
I don't think he was the right choice at 9th.
 
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We have had this discussion before, there have been numerous rumors reporting EK as close to several teams, Both from verified twitter accounts and from our own vetted users on HFNYR. I am not saying that they are all true or that I believe them but to claim that only close rumors been about Tampa is wrong.

Dorion wouldn't need to "leak" Rangers involvement because everyone involved already knew Rangers is a very credible threat to them getting EK. Hence my sarcastic comment to TFPs "reveal" that Rangers was back in the mix.

They were never out to begin with.

They were never out because they were never in.

I trust what the people closest to our team and Friedman have to say over TFP.
 
If you take a look at past Norris Trophy and Hart Trophy winners (I.e. extremely elite players on a similar level to Karlsson) they pretty much were all very good well into their 30s. Comparing him to simply a very good player like Nash is an unfair comparison.

There’s far more reason to think he will remain elite to very very good than to think he’s going to experience a sharp decline. In fact the main reason I’m sure people don’t like it is because the rangers have had bad long term deals before (Staal Girardi Richards Gomez Drury) for far inferior players.
What about Weber?
 
I never looked at this rebuild/retool thing as some kind of dogmatic 'you got to do it this way or else' thing. I'd be open to Karlsson depending on what we gave back. That said I don't think he's coming our way though we may (or may not) play a part in the deal that takes him somewhere else.

There are a lot of directions that Gorton and Drury etc. can go with what they're doing now. The main thing is we're very much engaged in a process of gathering numbers of young prospects and identifying what shakes out but not all of them will be sticking around--some of them will be moved along and they might be moved along for more veteran players. The building of a team is a fluid thing and not everything that Gorton does is likely to work out as he or we hope. Keeping in mind as well the Rangers don't want to be out of contention for the playoffs for too long. They'll want to be competitive this coming season even if they lose more often than not. They'll want to at least fairly quickly (within 2--3 years at the most) create an environment in which the younger players they're bringing in and keeping start to believe they can not only compete but on any given night win because they don't want to turn into the f***ing Florida Panthers or the New York Islanders.
 
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And for the record and I've said it in the past if Karlsson were a free agent you bet your ass gorts would be after him.

He wants a quick rebuild alla boston circa 05-08. So he'll look to aid the assets and prospects we have and will have with a key fa signing to boost the rebuild. Trading for Karlsson and losing the assets he just gained is assinine.
 
Yes, u did!! "Liking" another player/pick doesn't contradict that...
I don't think he was the right choice at 9th.
You missed the point. They scout more than us. You don't have the ranking from other teams, just a bunch of lists from other journalists. You are operating on limited, filtered information but have an opinion that is supposedly more valid than professionals. You have elitist thinking. You think you have proprietary information.

You have this false equivalency that Kravtsov will bust because McIlrath did. Andersen was a reach at the time but is backing up their evaluations. Curious omission. These rankers that create this end all be all consensus missed on Chytil last year, but Gorton just reaches for busts. Use that info to evaluate Gorton and Clark too.

The board screamed for a BPA draft but complain that we didn't draft for need after, too many left d that won't even be in the league for 4 years even if they pan out. It's all moving targets and half truths to fit arguments.
 
You missed the point. They scout more than us. You don't have the ranking from other teams, just a bunch of lists from other journalists. You are operating on limited, filtered information but have an opinion that is supposedly more valid than professionals. You have elitist thinking. You think you have proprietary information.

You have this false equivalency that Kravtsov will bust because McIlrath did. Andersen was a reach at the time but is backing up their evaluations. Curious omission. These rankers that create this end all be all consensus missed on Chytil last year, but Gorton just reaches for busts. Use that info to evaluate Gorton and Clark too.

The board screamed for a BPA draft but complain that we didn't draft for need after, too many left d that won't even be in the league for 4 years even if they pan out. It's all moving targets and half truths to fit arguments.

You said what I wanted to say but in a more coherent way and less of a rant so thank you.

Seems like the goal posts are always moving on this board. We are rebuilding and there is more then 1 way to do so. In my opinion and its mine and I could be wrong you need a combo of young players with vets and a mixture of "safe" picks and swing for the fences picks.

Then again I'm an engineer not an nhl gm or scout
 
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Shea Weber has 0 Norris trophies.
You're right, I missed that. Weber was the man for a long time, I think it would be silly to just set him aside as a possible future for Karlsson because he didn't receive enough likes a bunch of times. He is hitting a wall pretty hard, right at 30. I think Karlsson is more likely to be a Weber than a Lidstrom. But that's me.
 
You're right, I missed that. Weber was the man for a long time, I think it would be silly to just set him aside as a possible future for Karlsson because he didn't receive enough likes a bunch of times. He is hitting a wall pretty hard, right at 30. I think Karlsson is more likely to be a Weber than a Lidstrom. But that's me.

To be fair, Karlssons play style is much more akin to Lidstrom than that to Weber.
 
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