Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part II - Who is left?
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A guess would be that EK is 'ready' now, where as our hopeful core isn't. If you flip him for younger, high potential assets you hopefully have more guys 'ready' at the same time to compete or be moved for the missing piece that gives you repeated shots at the cup. With EK we likely waste 2-3 years getting ready.
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I like the idea of taking Ryan to get a couple draft picks and/or a good young player. There aren’t a ton of teams with cap space and time like the Rangers have.
It’s a waste to give up good assets for Karlsson at this point. Even if the Rangers intend to be good from, optimistically, next season... it’s just too much of an unnecessary risk.
It’s a waste to give up good assets for Karlsson at this point. Even if the Rangers intend to be good from, optimistically, next season... it’s just too much of an unnecessary risk.
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I do like the idea of the Rangers taking Ryan's contract to help facilitate a EK trade for another team and us getting a lot out of it including a super prospect, young player, and/or draft picks. And if we can salvage Ryan's career, he in turn gets us some more decent returns especially if we retain 50% on the way out.
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Still very reluctant to dive into a Karlsson trade but it seems like some peg Hayes' value at the Faulk level and others don't want him in a Karlsson trade. That's a big discrepancy. Hope it's not the same people.
Does Vegas have any front loaded contracts or bargain real-dollar-vs-cap-hit contracts that would appeal to a budget team? I wouldn't rule them out but they don't have a cupboard yet and they don't seem to have a value contract that Ottawa needs to reach the floor. Just some thoughts.
Does Vegas have any front loaded contracts or bargain real-dollar-vs-cap-hit contracts that would appeal to a budget team? I wouldn't rule them out but they don't have a cupboard yet and they don't seem to have a value contract that Ottawa needs to reach the floor. Just some thoughts.
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You should. With everything Gorton has said, how can you honestly believe we are going to trade for Karlsson? Some of you guys think we are going to give up scraps to get him. That's not going to happen. If we are going to get him, and that's a huge IF because I don't think Gorton is that foolish, it's going to require us trading away players we aren't comfortable losing.
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I may be in the minority here, but for s team that just started the rebuild, EK65 should not be a target no matter how good he is.
The presumption that he will still be this franchise level defender in 4 years is taking a big risk.
I am conceding that its entirely possible, just do not believe he will be the same defender then that he is today
The presumption that he will still be this franchise level defender in 4 years is taking a big risk.
I am conceding that its entirely possible, just do not believe he will be the same defender then that he is today
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Change is good.
“People familiar with the thinking of” is a common journalistic phrase to quote one or more folks who have inside knowledge but don’t want to go on the record. It’s likely a legit source, and could easily be Gorton himself — but it could also just as easily be Quinn, Drury, or even someone like a Bobrov or an Ortmeyer.
Honestly, at this point I don’t know what to believe.
Honestly, at this point I don’t know what to believe.
I think Gorts is looking to add more assists next year as we most likely miss the playoffs but the rebuild “kicks into high gear” the following season. In the ‘19/‘20 season, I suspect a lot of the kids will make the jump.
If we trade for Karlsson, I think it signals that Gorts thinks we aren’t that far off with our pieces and just need a player of that caliber.
I just don’t think, unless one or more of the kids turns out to be a star, that this team will be bad enough to pick top 3 next season so where is the elite player going to come from?
They won't get a Chytil level prospect if Ryan is part of any deal. They couldn't get that before the deadline, they won't get it now. If EK goes on his own, thats a different story.
I don't really see the Isles as a fit either. Their roster pieces (well, the ones they'd be willing to give up) kind of suck.
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Maybe it’s just me, but Carp’s article is worded loosely enough to suggest that the Rangers wouldn’t take on both Ryan and EK in the same deal. He doesn’t completely shoot down using our cap space to facilitate a deal to a team like Vegas.
Or it could just be my reading comprehension is ass, and I need more coffee this morning.
Or it could just be my reading comprehension is ass, and I need more coffee this morning.
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I would be all over this if I'm Gorton. Pry a high-end prospect away from Vegas in exchange for taking Ryan. The problem becomes which prospect. It needs to be one of Glass, Suzuki, or Brannstrom, but what is OTT getting back in the deal? They'd probably be wanting the same prospects we want. Vegas would probably want to deal away some package of roster players, picks, and prospects, without weakening themselves too much in any one area. It's a delicate balance.
Yeah I agree that Orr may want the same prospect but if we are going to eat Ryan, either Ott has to relent on the solo EK65 assets or Vegas has to really pony up.
I would want Glass > Suzuki > Brannstrom in that order. I really like Brannstrom but enough with the LHD haha!
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Yakupov to SKA in the KHL according to both Eronko and Klak. Probably the right move for him, honestly. Go home, get a fresh start, and if you do well, you can always come back to the NHL in a few years.
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Brannstrom is a better LD prospect than anyone we currently have. I would have zero issue with him being the return for taking on Ryan. I agree with you on who I'd rather have though. But, in a 3-way trade scenario, you'd have to imagine that OTT gets VGK's top prospect, which is Glass.
Ghost of jas
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While seeing Karlsson in a Ranger uniform would thrill me to no end, I feel like the timing is wrong. For this rebuild to be successful, IMO, the Rangers need one more draft with multiple 1sts (another three would be ideal), of which one is a top five pick. I know the risk is Karlsson doesn’t reach free agency, (I’m not as convinced as others that he signs an extension as others are). But, this type of move just smacks of the impatience we’ve come to expect f on the Rangers.
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While I totally agree with all of this...let me just say 1 small thing...if we can get ek65 without giving up any of the kids and without giving up a first rounder...I roster players only and absorbing Bobby Ryan's contract. U HAVE to do that trade.
I think one thing that a lot of people are missing is that Ottawa needs to take players/salary back in any deal. If they trade EK65 and Bobby Ryan that would leave them approximately $11.75 million under the salary cap floor with only Stone and Ceci left to sign.
They can't just make the trade for picks and prospects. That's why the Hoffman trade went down the way it did.
They can't just make the trade for picks and prospects. That's why the Hoffman trade went down the way it did.
NYR Viper
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Dorion was involved in the last large 3-way trade in the NHL. That was Duchene.
To OTT:
Matt Duchene
To NSH:
Kyle Turris
To COL:
Samuel Girard
Vlad Kamenev
Shane Bowers
2018 (now 2019) OTT 1st
2018 NSH 2nd
2019 OTT 3rd
Andrew Hammond
That was Duchene with 2 years left on his deal.
Now let's assume the market for Karlsson is small because Bobby Ryan must be moved with him. Let's also assume Ryan has a negative effect on the deal. What would a trade look like?
What are your thoughts on this?
To Vegas:
Erik Karlsson
To NYR:
Bobby Ryan
LV 1st '20
Nikita Gusev
Oscar Lindberg (or other player buried on depth chart in Vegas)
To OTT:
LV 1st '19
Erik Brannstom
Malcolm Subban
Ryan Spooner
To OTT:
Matt Duchene
To NSH:
Kyle Turris
To COL:
Samuel Girard
Vlad Kamenev
Shane Bowers
2018 (now 2019) OTT 1st
2018 NSH 2nd
2019 OTT 3rd
Andrew Hammond
That was Duchene with 2 years left on his deal.
Now let's assume the market for Karlsson is small because Bobby Ryan must be moved with him. Let's also assume Ryan has a negative effect on the deal. What would a trade look like?
What are your thoughts on this?
To Vegas:
Erik Karlsson
To NYR:
Bobby Ryan
LV 1st '20
Nikita Gusev
Oscar Lindberg (or other player buried on depth chart in Vegas)
To OTT:
LV 1st '19
Erik Brannstom
Malcolm Subban
Ryan Spooner
Inferno
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Not enough for me to eat that big of a salary for that long.
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