GDT: Free agency madness, brought to you by the letter G - PART 2

[Burrowsaurus]

I easily package Greig for Dobson.

Him or Andersson.

Okay but do isles easily accept a package with greig for s dobson

 

[OD99]

When we traded EK we committed to a full rebuild tear down.

Imagine trading EK in his prime when we were trying to make noise in the playoffs….

Not the same thing

Imagine trading any of our good D now when we barely have enough for 1 legit pairing.

We haven't had a good D core in over a decade and now that one is perhaps shaping up we have people looking to trade some pieces away BEFORE we even have it established.

Seems counterintuitive to me.

 

[Alex1234]

I'd move Greig and a top 3 protected first for Chychrun. In an instant

I would wait for a true RHD like Weegar

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I would wait for a true RHD like Weegar

How good is Weegar at RD? His best showings have been him playing LD with Ekblad.

 

[Sweatred]

Imagine trading any of our good D now when we barely have enough for 1 legit pairing.

We haven't had a good D core in over a decade and now that one is perhaps shaping up we have people looking to trade some pieces away BEFORE we even have it established.

Seems counterintuitive to me.

Nobody is voluntarily trading away any dman before “we have it established”. Some are aware that this team will not be able to keep all of their players in the future and are correct by “considering” the value of trading the most expensive dman Vs the cheapest option depending on the development of our young d core.

A team can be better by moving one $10 million contract + and two replacement $1 players while keeping 3 x $4 mill players. That consideration will go both ways… maybe it’s advantageous to keep the higher paid players and sell off the Lassi or Brann’s.

 

[Psycroptic86]

I love Grieg, but I'd trade him for Dobson if he were somehow available.

 

[GCK]

How about

To NYI
Batherson + top 3 protected 1st + Zaitsev

To Ottawa
Dobson + Bailey

Both Batherson and Dobson are on great contracts for now.

Bailey and Zaitsev are a complete wash but could fill the holes left from Bath and Dobson.

 

[ksens]

Are there any other proper RD available on some of the cap crunch teams?
Like isn't Even Rodriguez rumored to be available?
Seems like we're in for the duration on Chychrun, but wondering if there's a plan b option out there that wont cost us
Pinto
Greig
Sanderson
Soogard

Kinda fine with losing
Jarventie
Brannstrom
Sokolov
JBD

Nobody is trading 5 nickels for a quarter in the NHL. The combined value of Jarventie, Brannstrom, Sokolov and Bernard-Docker is close to nothing; they're at best a sweetener on a larger deal. If you want to actually upgrade the D and not just add more bottom pairing junk like we have the last two seasons then you're going to have to part with an asset that has value, not a bunch of smaller assets that don't really have any value.

 

[JackieDaytona]

Why are people deluding themselves about getting Dobson? He just signed an extremely friendly contract, he’s poised to be a top D for years and he’s very young. Teams aren’t going to give that up, and if there is some odd reason they would, it would take an obscene overpay.

 

[GCK]

Why are people deluding themselves about getting Dobson? He just signed an extremely friendly contract, he’s poised to be a top D for years and he’s very young. Teams aren’t going to give that up, and if there is some odd reason they would, it would take an obscene overpay.

He is by far the Islanders best asset to get an impact forward. They really don’t have much else to leverage as Pulock just signed an 8 year extension with a full NTC. Islanders are not a playoff team with their current forward group.

 

[Johnny Hanson]

He is by far the Islanders best asset to get an impact forward. They really don’t have much else to leverage as Pulock just signed an 8 year extension with a full NTC. Islanders are not a playoff team with their current forward group.

Pulocks NTC doesn’t kick in until year 3 of his 8 year contract if I’m recalling correctly

 

[Alex1234]

How good is Weegar at RD? His best showings have been him playing LD with Ekblad.

Just as an example but he was said to be very good when Ekblad was hurt last season and he's a UFA next year
Just my opinion but I find insane to pay 2 1st and a good prospect for JC when for example an offer sheet for Kucherov or Makar would cost 2 1st a 2nd and a 3rd
And JC is not even a true RD and was said to struggle the only season he played on the right side

 

[Bevans]

He is by far the Islanders best asset to get an impact forward. They really don’t have much else to leverage as Pulock just signed an 8 year extension with a full NTC. Islanders are not a playoff team with their current forward group.

I think it's more likely that Dobson leads the Isles in points than that he gets traded for a forward.

 

[GCK]

Pulocks NTC doesn’t kick in until year 3 of his 8 year contract if I’m recalling correctly

Full NTC for the next 5 years then a 16 team NTC for the last 3.

I think it's more likely that Dobson leads the Isles in points than that he gets traded for a forward.

I get that there is literally less than 1% chance they would move him. My point still stands they are not a playoff team as currently constructed.

 

[OD99]

How about

To NYI
Batherson + top 3 protected 1st + Zaitsev

To Ottawa
Dobson + Bailey

Both Batherson and Dobson are on great contracts for now.

Bailey and Zaitsev are a complete wash but could fill the holes left from Bath and Dobson.

But why do the Isles want to move on from Dobson? I know why we want him but don't see motivation the other way. That is the part most are questioning.

Also don't see them taking a young, cost controlled, top pairing RD for a year or 2 of Kane.

You are probably right they could use more scoring but hard pressed for them to think moving Dobson is the best option.

 

[Bevans]

Full NTC for the next 5 years then a 16 team NTC for the last 3.


I get that there is literally less than 1% chance they would move him. My point still stands they are not a playoff team as currently constructed.

I don't think trading their best player (goalie aside), who only makes 4 mil a year, solves this perceived issue.

 

[JD1]

Seems like you're agreeing? Is it just the second "+" you object to?

At the end of the day, one in the hand is worth two in the bush. Maybe eventually Sanderson will surpass Dobson but for now dobson's floor (nhl star) is exponentially higher than Sanderson's.

I was questioning why you would think the Sens might have evaluated Dobson higher than Sanderson when in their respective draft years. Maybe I misunderstood what you were asking

I do agree it would take more than Sanderson to get Dobson

 

[Bevans]

I was questioning why you would think the Sens might have evaluated Dobson higher than Sanderson when in their respective draft years. Maybe I misunderstood what you were asking

I do agree it would take more than Sanderson to get Dobson

You weren't quoting me. I was just pointing out that you seemed to be agreeing with the OP.

 

[Micklebot]

I was questioning why you would think the Sens might have evaluated Dobson higher than Sanderson when in their respective draft years. Maybe I misunderstood what you were asking

I do agree it would take more than Sanderson to get Dobson

I could see the sens being similarly high on Dobson in their respective draft years, had Tkachuk been picked by the Habs at 3 OA, I could easily see us drafting Dobson 4th that year.

Not sure which they'd have liked more, but we know for sure about Sanderson where as I can only speculate with Dobson so I wouldn't put any money on it ...

 

[GCK]

But why do the Isles want to move on from Dobson? I know why we want him but don't see motivation the other way. That is the part most are questioning.

Also don't see them taking a young, cost controlled, top pairing RD for a year or 2 of Kane.

You are probably right they could use more scoring but hard pressed for them to think moving Dobson is the best option.

I’m not saying they would want to move on from him. I’m saying the team won’t score and they don’t really have any real assets to get an impact forward. Maybe they could package a couple firsts and Whalstrom to Chicago for Kane @ 50% retained but they would also need to dump salary which will cost as well.

 

[Big Muddy]

We are talking about a trade for Dobson now? I must have missed something. Seems odd given that the Islanders just signed him to a contract.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I doubt anyone actually thinks we can get Dobson

It just a bit frustrating that we started the summer with "ok, we are going to get a top 4d" and we ended up not doing so. We got two great forwards so that's good but we all know our D needs a lot of help.

 

[DueDiligence]

We are talking about a trade for Dobson now? I must have missed something. Seems odd given that the Islanders just signed him to a contract.

I guess some people have a lot of idle time! Realistically there's less than a 1% chance the Sens could trade for him.

I doubt anyone actually thinks we can get Dobson

It just a bit frustrating that we started the summer with "ok, we are going to get a top 4d" and we ended up not doing so. We got two great forwards so that's good but we all know our D needs a lot of help.

Training camps still are almost 3 weeks off. Certainly lots of time to put deals together before the start of the season.

 

[Cosmix]

I guess some people have a lot of idle time! Realistically there's less than a 1% chance the Sens could trade for him.


Training camps still are almost 3 weeks off. Certainly lots of time to put deals together before the start of the season.

The Senators could make a trade for Dobson but they would have to overpay. I prefer to sign a UFA or trade for a soon-to-be UFA with a right to negotiate a long term contract prior to the trade. That would cost less in assets.

 

[Hale The Villain]

If there was even the slightest possibility Dobson was available it would have been earlier this off-season and only in a deal to open up some cap space to sign Kadri.

No point in talking about it now.