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Currently leafs fans contribute about $4 million a game to their team - the Sens fans contribute about $0.40 million … What word would you use to describe that difference in commitment ?
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Currently leafs fans contribute about $4 million a game to their team - the Sens fans contribute about $0.40 million … What word would you use to describe that difference in commitment ?
I am definitely in the minority in my assessment for sanderson's next contract.
I can't believe people's expectations for a guy that burned his first year of his entry level and is rehabilitating a persistent wrist injury.
I expect a Werenski style salary progression, not makar.
People are basically predicting he gets over 100 points in next 2 seasons, while playing a great 2 way game.
I don't see it yet.
I can't believe people's expectations for a guy that burned his first year of his entry level and is rehabilitating a persistent wrist injury.
I expect a Werenski style salary progression, not makar.
People are basically predicting he gets over 100 points in next 2 seasons, while playing a great 2 way game.
I don't see it yet.
Can always bridge Sanderson
Hence why the sens need to go for it and now and have been saying it since last year. Blow money on guys like giroux while we have some good players on elc
Hence why the sens need to go for it and now and have been saying it since last year. Blow money on guys like giroux while we have some good players on elc
The GTA has nearly 7 million people yet Leafs fans always act like it's some heroic achievement that they sell out an 18k arena. Sorry if I'm not impressed.
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Pretty decent chance there will be no big cap increases until the 2025-26 season. Revisions to the CBA were made due to COVID. Some info on this subject is presented below.
Latest On Salary Cap Projections
It's been a foolish game to try and project future revenues over the last few years, with COVID-19 creating so …
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For now, the league is still limited to $1MM increases. Next season (2022-23) will have a cap ceiling of $82.5MM, 2023-24 is expected to be $83.5MM, and 2024-25 will have an $84.5MM. But as the entire world has learned since early 2020–don’t take projections as gospel.
NHL salary cap set at $82.5M for next season
The NHL salary cap for the 2022-23 season has been set at $82.5 million, the first time in three years that the limit is increasing.
Per the collective bargaining agreement, the NHL and NHLPA agreed to keep the cap flat at $81.5 million until hockey-related revenue surpassed $3.3 billion for the previous season. The NHL's general managers were informed in March that the cap would only rise by $1 million in 2022-23.
The cap could increase by $2 million per season, and transition to a formula-based calculation for establishing the limit for the 2023-24 season and beyond, if hockey-related revenue reaches $4.8 billion.
The NHL salary cap won't increase significantly until an estimated $1 billion in debt held by the players is repaid to the owners. Bettman said the league is projecting that debt to be paid off in "two, maybe three years." Many have speculated the cap will jump in the 2025-26 season.
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GoSenatorsGo
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This was basically what I was referring too. 2-3 years.Pretty decent chance there will be no big cap increases until the 2025-26 season. Revisions to the CBA were made due to COVID. Some info on this subject is presented below.
Latest On Salary Cap Projections
It's been a foolish game to try and project future revenues over the last few years, with COVID-19 creating so …
For now, the league is still limited to $1MM increases. Next season (2022-23) will have a cap ceiling of $82.5MM, 2023-24 is expected to be $83.5MM, and 2024-25 will have an $84.5MM. But as the entire world has learned since early 2020–don’t take projections as gospel.
NHL salary cap set at $82.5M for next season
The NHL salary cap for the 2022-23 season has been set at $82.5 million, the first time in three years that the limit is increasing.www.espn.com
Per the collective bargaining agreement, the NHL and NHLPA agreed to keep the cap flat at $81.5 million until hockey-related revenue surpassed $3.3 billion for the previous season. The NHL's general managers were informed in March that the cap would only rise by $1 million in 2022-23.
The cap could increase by $2 million per season, and transition to a formula-based calculation for establishing the limit for the 2023-24 season and beyond, if hockey-related revenue reaches $4.8 billion.
The NHL salary cap won't increase significantly until an estimated $1 billion in debt held by the players is repaid to the owners. Bettman said the league is projecting that debt to be paid off in "two, maybe three years." Many have speculated the cap will jump in the 2025-26 season.
Big Muddy
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I was just providing more detail. Looks like the cap increases will be modest ($1 m, possibly $2 m) until the 2025-26 season (3 years from now).
Occasionally I see some posters (not here but elsewhere) talking about a $90 m cap in a couple of years. That isn't likely.
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I'd say the vast majority of people who live in the GTA don't give a shit about the Leafs or even the NHL, generally. The Raps are #1, by far, with the Jays and Leafs in a separate tier. The caucasian male crowd are all over the Leafs but as far as international impact, basketball and baseball have much wider reaches which leads to a significantly broader fanbase for both. Hell, I could see TFC being #3 much sooner than later, especially with the prospect of Canada's performance in Qatar in a few months.
The population of the GTA is misleading to use as a representation of how big of a slice of the pie the Leafs get.
And so .... you can be pitty with others fans? It's sad.
I'm sorry but you can be 100% engaged in a sport and be kind and class with others who think differently.
It's living for you not for the others.
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Pierre from Orleans
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Aren't the vast majority of their seats corporate support?
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Agreed. I don't believe we need to trade any of our top young players for the next 3 to 5 yrs, we clearly don't know what DeBrincat will do & Giroux may only be here for his 3 yr deal. DeBrincat IMO is clearly the easist to replace if we have too, but we may not depending on what happens with others & if they can continue to afford everyone.
Holden only has a yr left & is most likely going to be replaced internally, they are actively trying to move Zaitsev & while I think it's possible they could re-sign Hamonic or they might just go internally there as well. Same for Watson being replaced internally. We probably will get one yr of Talbot & replace him internally also cutting down on salaries. Florida got one good yr with a pretty good roster before they had to change things to include what was missing from their playoff run.
And then there is the question of what happens to Zub, I imagine this will play itself out over the course of this season & the next two seasons before it is determined who their long term players will be. While I like Zub it's not like he isn't replaceable as well with cheaper contracts if his demands are too much. And of course who will want to stay & who might not could also play into this continuous tweaking of the roster.
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Not sure what you mean by this, but assuming you're referring to proportion of the population from demographics that are typically hockey fans, even if you were to adjust for that Toronto would likely still have a 4 or 5 to 1 advantage over small cities like Ott, Cgy Edm and Wpg
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So the rest are gobbled up by regular season ticket holders with a fraction being available for single game purchases
Micklebot
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Last I read, they cap out at 16k season tickets, so that leaves about 3800 for singles.
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It’s totally possible but obviously I don’t have any hard numbers and haven’t seen any. I’m going off what I’ve seen from living here and interacting with other sports fans. We all know the Bay Street seats will always skew the numbers into multiples of what the other cities are able to attract though, in proportion to population.
I did see an article recently that references the 10 year valuation increases for the professional sports teams in Toronto and while the Leafs had increased around 80% since 2012, the Raps were up 500%+, the Jays were up 300%+ and TFC was up 180%+.
I also think if you look at the demographics of the city you’ll find lots of areas with very little interest in hockey, especially areas with heavy immigrant populations. All that to say, someone just saying “hey look, 7 million people live there so the fanbase is x amount of times larger than ours” is kinda misleading. You can definitively say all of those people care about hockey or are potential customers of the Leafs.
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Any time you try to tease out one variable you'll find there's a similar yet different variable another city has. The reality is every city has immigrants, or every city has a segment of the population not interested in hockey. Population is an easy heuristic to get in the ball park, as soon as you start to over think it you just needlessly complicate matters and likely aren't getting any closer to reality.
Might as well try to figure out what impact being stuck between two established markets as a relatively young franchise if your going to argue Toronto has demographics not interested in hockey. Or how much of a boost having three or 4 generations of fans adds,
At the end of the day, Toronto's population is a huge part of why they have the corporate support they do, and even if you cut it in half to account for all those non-hockey loving demographics they still dwarf all the other Canadian markets except for Montreal and perhaps Vancouver.
"leaf fans" would include all the large corporations and other businesses that buy tickets. And I would say that is the vast majority of season ticket holders. Ottawa probably has 5% of the corporate base that Toronto has.
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Yeah, it does. You just have a problem because I criticize Brady, and according to you know what should be allowed to do that.
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For sure. It also is fair to say I just watched that Shania documentary on Netflix and it influenced the swap.
It's a classic though for sure
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