GDT: Free agency madness, brought to you by the letter G - PART 2

[Ice-Tray]

When was this said? I don't really think Debrincat has a choice (yet). Giroux...sure, we can credit Tkachuk, but he's an Ottawa boy that was just paid 20 million to play in his hometown.

They both talk about Brady on W&M. Both comment how much of a pain he is to play against and how happy they are going to be teammates.

G straight up says it was a factor for him, DBC was more answering questions and talking about his past experiences.

Interestingly Brady seems to be taking his duties very seriously at a young age. He was the first person to message both players after the trade to welcome them.

The team is vibing as the kids say

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Stars like Debrincat and Giroux are willing and happy to play here largely based on Tkachuk being our captain. You think they're wrong and you're right?

I can't pinpoint exactly when they said it, but in their interviews on various media shows/podcasts they've mentioned Tkachuk's leadership as being a key factor in their excitement for playing in Ottawa.

they say that about every captain/player when they sign or are traded and asked about it fam. it's generic cliché hockey talk.

what do you want him to say? that they aren't excited about playing with a teammate?

pretty sure the main reason Giroux signed is because of the 20 million, the fact he calls it home and the house he is building in Ottawa, and the multitude of friends and family, and not Brady Tkachuk lol

like i said marketing really is effective when it comes to Brady.

 

[Ice-Tray]

they say that about every captain/player when they sign or are traded and asked about it fam. it's generic cliché hockey talk.

what do you want him to say? that they aren't excited about playing with a teammate?

pretty sure the main reason Giroux signed is because the of the 20 million, the fact he calls it home and the house he is building in Ottawa, and the multitude of friends and family, and not Brady Tkachuk lol

like i said marketing really is effective when it comes to Brady.

Anything to take something away from Brady like clockwork.

The fact that everyone in the media including players are talking about him and the chemistry in the room should be all you need to know.

It’s not an every team thing if you bother to listen to the players talk.

Anyways, I’m going to take the @RAFI BOMB path and not engage with your Brady silliness anymore.

 

[swiftwin]

they say that about every captain/player when they sign or are traded and asked about it fam. it's generic cliché hockey talk.

Find me an example of any other free agent signed this off-season where the player specifically says this about the captain of the team they're joining.

 

[HSF]

I can't pinpoint exactly when they said it, but in their interviews on various media shows/podcasts they've mentioned Tkachuk's leadership as being a key factor in their excitement for playing in Ottawa.

wally and methot show they directly asked Cat about Tkachuk so it was a bit setup.

not sure if he said it anywhere else

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I think the fact that we did not buyout Zaitzev during the most recent buyout window (this past week if I’m not mistaken which we were eligible for because Joesph filed for arb) makes me think there is a deal in place.

Zaitsev’s contract is basically buyout-proof. They already paid his bonus.

 

[Sweatred]

If your paying Chabot $10 million to not be your PP1 (Brann) or top D (Sanderson) he’s worth considering to move. It’s not should we lose Chabot … he’s obviously a good player but you need to than lose $10 million of other players -

In three years who is more valuable ?
CHABOT or

1) Pinto + Lassi + Grieg.
2) Batherson + Zub
Etc .

I don’t want to lose Chabot, but I also don’t want to lose $10 million of the next emerging star players on this team

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Gurianov could be a good target from Dallas. 2.9m salary and RFA after. They are 10.3m under the cap with a 21 man roster but need to re-sign Oettinger and Robertson. Unless they bridge both of them, that will be impossible to work with... and even with two bridges, they will be right up against it.

I am sure they are trying to move Khudobin (Arizona?) but that will cost a bit and may still require them to shed cap if they want wiggle room and/or to sign one of the two longer term.

Gurianov has struggled to put it all together, but he is a big, fast winger who can rip the puck. With uncertainty regarding Batherson & Formenton, he could be a worthwhile add at a relatively low asset cost.

 

[ATdaisuki]

Disagree with many people's take on @Agent Zub. I will say they've maybe been a little overzealous in this thread, but their takes in the past on Brady leading up to the extension were largely based on stats and analysis of similarly performing players. Many of their concerns were legitimate and were met with no hard counter evidence, just grandstanding and name calling. they mostly kept all of these takes to relevant threads as well.

I would say I'm surprised by the response towards them, but I know how aggressive the fanbase is to people that step out of the opinion line. Positive about something that has been "determined" bad? Attacked. Negative about something that has been "determined" good? Attacked. Feels like many posters don't want to debate or discuss, they want validation for the groupthink idea.

I personally like the "fringe" posters here. They make me think about my ideas and come up with backing for them. Or to change/modify my opinion if it seems indefensible. Would be nice if people actually discussed their points more often. I know some of them can be exhausting to speak with though.

If your paying Chabot $10 million to not be your PP1 (Brann) or top D (Sanderson) he’s worth considering to move. It’s not should we lose Chabot … he’s obviously a good player but you need to than lose $10 million of other players -

In three years who is more valuable ?
CHABOT or

1) Pinto + Lassi + Grieg.
2) Batherson + Zub
Etc .

I don’t want to lose Chabot, but I also don’t want to lose $10 million of the next emerging star players on this team

I see where you're coming from with this, but I'm hoping that the team will be in better financial shape by then. I think management is projecting that as well. We'll see this upcoming season if what the team has done this offseason has won some ticket sales.

Though to discuss who should be moved if the team still isn't in great shape financially, I think the team should look at keeping all the core players and go as cheap as possible on the rest of the roster. We have two years until we have to worry about that, so lots of time to sort out financials. After two potentially rough years, Brady's salary comes down a bit and we could be in a state of the art, downtown arena. That's 4-5 years in the future, so it's hard to predict the financial landscape of the team, owners, or the league.

To play along, in the complete hypothetical where we are looking to move one of the core players to make room a few years down the line, my pick is Norris. He will be a 9.5 mil real salary second line center then. Pinto could be a cheap replacement. Plus moving Pinto up would leave a hole on the third line rather than on the top/second pair, so it's cheaper to replace.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

To play along, in the complete hypothetical where we are looking to move one of the core players to make room a few years down the line, my pick is Norris. He will be a 9.5 mil real salary second line center then. Pinto could be a cheap replacement. Plus moving Pinto up would leave a hole on the third line rather than on the top/second pair, so it's cheaper to replace.

Of our players we have locked up Norris is absolutely the one we "should" move, not Chabot.

Stutzle is going to overtake Norris very soon and Norris should return a lot if we move him three or four years into his new deal.

But that is neither here nor now. Let's see how the new look roster performs and how badly we need help on D.

It kind of sucks that some of us are already thinking about moving on from good players we have signed long-term. We had so much trouble retaining players... I get it but that is not the kind of thing I want to be pondering right now.

 

[Sweatred]

Disagree with many people's take on @Agent Zub. I will say they've maybe been a little overzealous in this thread, but their takes in the past on Brady leading up to the extension were largely based on stats and analysis of similarly performing players. Many of their concerns were legitimate and were met with no hard counter evidence, just grandstanding and name calling. they mostly kept all of these takes to relevant threads as well.

I would say I'm surprised by the response towards them, but I know how aggressive the fanbase is to people that step out of the opinion line. Positive about something that has been "determined" bad? Attacked. Negative about something that has been "determined" good? Attacked. Feels like many posters don't want to debate or discuss, they want validation for the groupthink idea.

I personally like the "fringe" posters here. They make me think about my ideas and come up with backing for them. Or to change/modify my opinion if it seems indefensible. Would be nice if people actually discussed their points more often. I know some of them can be exhausting to speak with though.



I see where you're coming from with this, but I'm hoping that the team will be in better financial shape by then. I think management is projecting that as well. We'll see this upcoming season if what the team has done this offseason has won some ticket sales.

Though to discuss who should be moved if the team still isn't in great shape financially, I think the team should look at keeping all the core players and go as cheap as possible on the rest of the roster. We have two years until we have to worry about that, so lots of time to sort out financials. After two potentially rough years, Brady's salary comes down a bit and we could be in a state of the art, downtown arena. That's 4-5 years in the future, so it's hard to predict the financial landscape of the team, owners, or the league.

To play along, in the complete hypothetical where we are looking to move one of the core players to make room a few years down the line, my pick is Norris. He will be a 9.5 mil real salary second line center then. Pinto could be a cheap replacement. Plus moving Pinto up would leave a hole on the third line rather than on the top/second pair, so it's cheaper to replace.

Well said … always lots of screaming here and very little hockey discussion.The personal and PHIL 101 insults apparently make up for a hokey opinion.

I suppose some further support to moving Norris would be to consider we can easily replace his greatest skill sets.

1- stutzle can play the right side trigger on the PP likely as well or better than Norris.

2- as you said Pinto and eventually Greig can likely support the 2-3C roles.

To be clear, my notion of moving Chabot came with the condition that he wasn’t our best option on PP1 AND our defensive minute guy. Two things that probably don’t happen.

 

[ATdaisuki]

Of our players we have locked up Norris is absolutely the one we "should" move, not Chabot.

Stutzle is going to overtake Norris very soon and Norris should return a lot if we move him three or four years into his new deal.

But that is neither here nor now. Let's see how the new look roster performs and how badly we need help on D.

It kind of sucks that some of us are already thinking about moving on from good players we have signed long-term. We had so much trouble retaining players... I get it but that is not the kind of thing I want to be pondering right now.

Agreed. IF we have to move one of the core guys, it's not for a few years yet. Our perspectives could completely change once these guys step out on the ice in their new roles. There was so much change, players and the team as a whole could be seen in a completely different light by the end of the calendar year, let alone in two years. Lots of hockey to be played and analyzing to be done on this team.

 

[Answer]

I won't be opposed to moving Norris either, in order to make room for a solid top 4 defenseman, and resigning DeBrincat (if he clicks with Stu)

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Brady has hart trophy candidate written all over him, I don’t see anyone else on the team that looks close to winning an award lol.

The problem is that you put zero value on many of the major things that Brady brings to the team. Everyone else on the team and in and around the league puts tremendous value on it, while you place none.

You seem to think that Norris and Batherson outplayed Brady last season when he is the straw that stirs the drink on that line, and on the team in general. All while scoring 30 goals himself. Chabot also didn’t outplay Brady last year.

The funny thing is that if his name was Tkachukov or Tkachuksson he’d be your absolute favourite player. Your Brady takes are just pure trolling in my opinion.

C'mon man you can't say that Brady has Hart candidate written all over him and call me the one who is unreasonable. You don't have a proper scope of understanding of the league or even of our team if you say that. Brady is far far away from being a Hart candidate level player.

And this isn't about me not putting value on the major things Brady brings. It's you guys not valuing those things in the other players. for some reason you guy think the only thing keeping the locker room together or keeping the players working hard is Brady. That isn't true at all.

You guys are undervaluing the intangibles of Chabot, Stutzle, Sanderson , Batherson, Norris, Greig. Every one of those players will go to war with or without Brady because they are built that way. Not because Brady is there.

Intangibles are a default.

Brady is not the one who stirred the line on that drink. It was without a doubt Batherson. Batherson who was on pace for like 90-100 points until he got injured, Norris scored 35 goals and was the best defensive forward on the team. So how is it Brady stirring the line when without them his play tanked to 2nd line level?

And don't get me wrong they are all three a great line together. Each brings something valuable to the line that makes it tick as well as it does. But Brady needs the other two more than they need him.

As for the last bit, I guess I'd like him more if he was Tkachük huh? And maybe I'm confusing Sanderson for Sandersson? C'mon. I'm not the one being unreasonable or trolling here.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

C'mon man you can't say that Brady has Hart candidate written all over him and call me the one who is unreasonable. You don't have a proper scope of understanding of the league or even of our team if you say that. Brady is far far away from being a Hart candidate level player.

And this isn't about me not putting value on the major things Brady brings. It's you guys not valuing those things in the other players. for some reason you guy think the only thing keeping the locker room together or keeping the players working hard is Brady. That isn't true at all.

You guys are undervaluing the intangibles of Chabot, Stutzle, Sanderson , Batherson, Norris, Greig. Every one of those players will go to war with or without Brady because they are built that way. Not because Brady is there.

Intangibles are a default.

Brady is not the one who stirred the line on that drink. It was without a doubt Batherson. Batherson who was on pace for like 90-100 points until he got injured, Norris scored 35 goals and was the best defensive forward on the team. So how is it Brady stirring the line when without them his play tanked to 2nd line level?

And don't get me wrong they are all three a great line together. Each brings something valuable to the line that makes it tick as well as it does. But Brady needs the other two more than they need him.

As for the last bit, I guess I'd like him more if he was Tkachük huh? And maybe I'm confusing Sanderson for Sandersson? C'mon. I'm not the one being unreasonable or trolling here.

He is closer to a hart candidate than he is a terrible player that you make him out to be.

 

[Sens Vader]

I really hope this Chychrun trade pans out

He’s basically our last hope of improving the defence this off season

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

He is closer to a hart candidate than he is a terrible player that you make him out to be.

I never called him a terrible player.

If I critique certain parts of his game it doesn't mean I hate him or I think he's terrible. I critique players like Karlsson, Spezza, Stone, Stutzle, Chabot too.

If I critique a players cap hit it doesn't mean I dislike them either. Heck I even like Colin White's game despite his cap hit. I even like Phaneuf despite his cap hit. Yet I still critiqued the cap hit.

For both of these things it seems like everyone is fair game except Brady on this board.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I really hope this Chychrun trade pans out

He’s basically our last hope of improving the defence this off season

Very worried about what we'd be giving up.

 

[playasRus]

HFSens: why can't we ever retain any of our young talent?!?

Young talent signs 8 year deals

HFSens: we should trade our young talent!!

 

[Answer]

He is closer to a hart candidate than he is a terrible player that you make him out to be.

When did he called him a terrible player? Tkachuk is closer to what his evaluation is of Brady, then being a hart candidate.

and that is a fact

 

[Que]

HFSens: why can't we ever retain any of our young talent?!?

Young talent signs 8 year deals

HFSens: we should trade our young talent!!

Never change hfSens - ever.

For real though, DeBrincat and Stützle can sign 9x5 each, bridge Pinto at 2.5x2 with Zaitsev on the roster without going over cap next season.

Ya’ll be trippin’

 

[UglyPuckling]

I think Dorion got his top 4 D during last season but has been reluctant to say so, given his past odd comments. However if he does acquire a better D, he will have to jettison a D to make the 6D better overall.

Ya, it might just be Hamonic as you mentioned that's the addition.

Ya, getting rid of Zaitsev and replacing with an available good RD isn't easy and is expensive.

 

[playasRus]

Never change hfSens - ever.

For real though, DeBrincat and Stützle can sign 9x5 each, bridge Pinto at 2.5x2 with Zaitsev on the roster without going over cap next season.

Ya’ll be trippin’

I could see a lot of the young (under 23) guys being offered AND requesting short 2 year bridges to pounce on that big cap hike tbh. If I was Stutzle, that would be my game plan. 6.5M X 2 years, then assuming cap goes to 90M in 2025 11M X 8 year.

 

[aragorn]

Of our players we have locked up Norris is absolutely the one we "should" move, not Chabot.

Stutzle is going to overtake Norris very soon and Norris should return a lot if we move him three or four years into his new deal.

But that is neither here nor now. Let's see how the new look roster performs and how badly we need help on D.

It kind of sucks that some of us are already thinking about moving on from good players we have signed long-term. We had so much trouble retaining players... I get it but that is not the kind of thing I want to be pondering right now.

Except that Norris is Tkachuk's best friend & it could turn into a Chara / Hossa thing where we lose both. I would much rather lose DeBrincat a winger who would be the easiest to replace than a very good young two way centre or Chabot.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I never called him a terrible player.

If I critique certain parts of his game it doesn't mean I hate him or I think he's terrible. I critique players like Karlsson, Spezza, Stone, Stutzle, Chabot too.

If I critique a players cap hit it doesn't mean I dislike them either. Heck I even like Colin White's game despite his cap hit. I even like Phaneuf despite his cap hit. Yet I still critiqued the cap hit.

For both of these things it seems like everyone is fair game except Brady on this board.

I could be mixing you up with another poster who has great dislike for Brady.

My bad.