Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

You really don't see it? Like really don't? You don't understand how having a rift with a teammate could potentially drop his numbers down? Look at these 3 year averages. We have seen countless and I mean countless times where a guy has a rift with the team but has the obvious skill to be an elite player. Remember when ORielly said he lost the will to play hockey then goes an wins a cup with StLouis? Remember Eichel?

Obviously it depends on price and if Vancouver will actually trade Pettersson but if they do whoever gets him is getting a realllly good center. Who knows what the rift is but green would have insider knowledge.
I really don't care about a JFresh card lmao, he's paid to put up points.

If a rift with a teammate turns him into a 60 point player making 11.6 mil then I don't want him on the team. O'Reilly was never paid 11 mil. Eichel was never dropped to a 60 point player.

It's a massively unnecessary risk for a team that currently sits 3rd in the division. That contract is one that could sink this entire rebuild if he keeps playing the way he has been.
 
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I'm probably gonna get lambasted but I'd have no problem moving Yakemchuk to upgrade from Norris to Pettersson. Toss in Forsberg to even out the cap (helps that Leevi has broken out and proven he can handle the #2 job) and you've got the base of a deal that can and should compete with most other offers.

That being said, I have no idea why Petey to Buffalo for Cozens + Byram/Power isn't done yet because no team should be more motivated for a shakeup than the Sabres and they have enough young talent to blow most other teams (Sens included) out of the water.
Only reason I don't want to move Yakemchuk, is the move feels short sighted in trying to go all in with EP. Yak might be able to transition to a role with the team as Jensen ages out and he's the only prospect in the system that has elite potential. I'd want a better return than EP, and now even sure if that exists when dealing Yak. Heck, I'll probably over value Yak in almost any trade proposal lol
 
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You really don't see it? Like really don't? You don't understand how having a rift with a teammate could potentially drop his numbers down? Look at these 3 year averages. We have seen countless and I mean countless times where a guy has a rift with the team but has the obvious skill to be an elite player. Remember when ORielly said he lost the will to play hockey then goes an wins a cup with StLouis? Remember Eichel?

Obviously it depends on price and if Vancouver will actually trade Pettersson but if they do whoever gets him is getting a realllly good center. Who knows what the rift is but green would have insider knowledge.
I mean, I'm sure Cgy thought they were getting a really good winger in Huberdeau, but lots of people would be wary of going after him when his production cut in half after the trade.

He's the scary part,

Pettersson's producttion took off about half way through the 2020-21 season, scoring at a 97 pts pace for the final 43 games. Before that he was a career 69-80 pts pace guy.

He continued to produce at on average a 101 pts pace until Mar 2 2024, signing his big deal on the 3rd of march. 185 games, 228 pts.

Since signing his deal, he's played at a 60 pts pace. Small sample, only 63 games, but it was like the tap got turned off when he signed that deal.

Now, maybe it's because Miller and him are toxic together. That might be the case. But there's no guarantee that he can find that 100 pts pace player on another team, Huberdeau was a 90+ pts player 4 years running in Florida, been hovering around 55 in Cgy.

Idk, there's a reason Van is taking about Hughes when its Miller and Pettersson that are on the trade block. Hughes is the guy that stirs the drink there, they are more concerned about making sure he's sticking around than the other two.
 
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We have no money or expendable assets to upgrade on Norris to Pettersson, nor should we be interested in doing so given how much it would cost.

My logic is that if we get Pettersson for Norris, it's going to be us throwing Vancouver an anchor type trade.

Something like Norrs+Ostapchuk+2nd for Pettersson and a near league minimum roster player. Then Perron being dealt somewhere in a side deal.

Similar to how if you proposed Korpisalo @ 3M, Kasetlic, and a late 1st for Ullmark, you would have gotten ripped to shreds on the main board. I wouldn't date suggest the above trade on the main boards because I know how it will go.

We know that Staios put up a Korpisalo package to Boston back at the deadline for Ullmark. I wonder if his strategy with Ullmark was to throw Boston an anchor and wait for the market to collapse. He could have approached Vancouver and said this is what we'd add to Norris, if you don't get a better offer let us know.

There would need to be some sort of side deal to get ride of Perron. Sending him to Vancouver would be too ruthless. I wonder if there is any connection to Saad going on waivers. If Saad clears, maybe Vancouver takes Saad as part of the trade, and Ottawa sends Perron to STL. STL might welcome a Perron for Saad swap due to their familiarity with Perron, and the fact that his cap hit is 500k less.
 
I'm probably gonna get lambasted but I'd have no problem moving Yakemchuk to upgrade from Norris to Pettersson. Toss in Forsberg to even out the cap (helps that Leevi has broken out and proven he can handle the #2 job) and you've got the base of a deal that can and should compete with most other offers.

That being said, I have no idea why Petey to Buffalo for Cozens + Byram/Power isn't done yet because no team should be more motivated for a shakeup than the Sabres and they have enough young talent to blow most other teams (Sens included) out of the water.
You’re right that’s terrible idea, he’s the best prospect, and Sens have very few of them. Need some ELC deals on the cap as well.
 
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I'm probably gonna get lambasted but I'd have no problem moving Yakemchuk to upgrade from Norris to Pettersson. Toss in Forsberg to even out the cap (helps that Leevi has broken out and proven he can handle the #2 job) and you've got the base of a deal that can and should compete with most other offers.

That being said, I have no idea why Petey to Buffalo for Cozens + Byram/Power isn't done yet because no team should be more motivated for a shakeup than the Sabres and they have enough young talent to blow most other teams (Sens included) out of the water.
Sabres are in a far better position to trade for him asset wise.

I am not sure I would be comfortable going with Leevi and Ullmark with Sogaard as the next option given Ullmark's ability to stay healthy. Forsberg does have the $ and it avoids losing depth elsewhere.

I think its a lot for the Sens to take on .. I would like to have him but we could be putting ourselves in the same kind of box we did with Debrincat regarding roster construction and the ability to fill in the roster.

I'd be fine with attaching Yakemchuk as well.
 
Only reason I don't want to move Yakemchuk, is the move feels short sighted in trying to go all in with EP. Yak might be able to transition to a role with the team as Jensen ages out and he's the only prospect in the system that has elite potential. I'd want a better return than EP, and now even sure if that exists when dealing Yak. Heck, I'll probably over value Yak in almost any trade proposal lol
I knew what the reaction would be when I added the Senators #1 prospect, and quite frankly the only player in the pool with true top line/top pair upside. I'm not blind to the fact Yak has a very clear line to high minutes on this roster with Jensen and Zub eventually aging out.

I just think EP40 is that special at his best and that having a center core of Stutzle/Pettersson/Pinto would lead to a decade of contention. Obviously it means Staois has to try and piece together a contingency plan at RD on the fly, but for a player like Pettersson who doesn't become available every year (especially for a team like Ottawa) it could be worth the risk.

Having Sanderson and Chabot here anchoring the left side definitely factors in here as I'm of the belief they don't need to play next to a high end piece, just the "right" piece to complement their games.

Personally, I don't see a path to a trade without Yak involved so it might be a "you've gotta give to get" type of situation.
 
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OTT: Pettersson, 775kish roster player
VAN: Norris, Saad, Ostapchuk, OTT 2nd
STL: Perron

Something like that. You have the nice connection with Ostapchuk and the city of Vancouver. If your goal as the Canucks is to sell to your room that you're not rebuilding, adding three roster players certainly gets that done.

As mentioned before, Perron apparently still considers St.Louis home. So I'd imagine he'd be open to a deal there.

St.Louis saves cap space and makes a change of scenery move for a player who their org' is very familiar with.

That would be the distressed, we have to move Pettersson and get this over with type package. Optics wise, it would also be good timing for Ottawa after the Spartacat humiliation ritual backfired.


Don't tease us.
 
Sabres are in a far better position to trade for him asset wise.

I am not sure I would be comfortable going with Leevi and Ullmark with Sogaard as the next option given Ullmark's ability to stay healthy. Forsberg does have the $ and it avoids losing depth elsewhere.

I think its a lot for the Sens to take on .. I would like to have him but we could be putting ourselves in the same kind of box we did with Debrincat regarding roster construction and the ability to fill in the roster.

I'd be fine with attaching Yakemchuk as well.

The difference here being that Pettersson is locked up long-term, plays the more important position and is a + defensive player when he has his head on straight. I definitely get the logic of the comparison though.

On the Forsberg point, I think it would mean Staois would have to go find another stopgap #3 because I don't trust Sogaard as far as I can throw him (and at his size that isn't very far) and obviously the depth behind him is abysmal. The logic to including him was definitely to even out the cap while trying to affect as little off the roster as possible.
 
I don't get why the same people that want to trade Norris because they are scared of his shoulder want to trade him for Pettersson who has a chronic knee problem that he will have to manage for the rest of his career.
 
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I don't get why the same people that want to trade Norris because they are scared of his shoulder want to trade him for Pettersson who has a chronic knee problem that he will have to manage for the rest of his career.

Because in this scenario we're moving one band aid for a band aid with (much) higher upside who is debatably better at every single aspect of the game except maybe shooting.

I wouldn't add Pettersson to a group that included Norris for the reasons you stated above, but in a swap there's still some level of logic to a trade that continues to add offensive talent on a team lacking it.
 
I don't get why the same people that want to trade Norris because they are scared of his shoulder want to trade him for Pettersson who has a chronic knee problem that he will have to manage for the rest of his career.
I wouldn't do it because of the shoulder, I'm actually confident it's now fixed properly and with hardware this time. I just see it as an upgrade if he could get back to the last couple years production. Still would have a hard time actually pulling the trigger though. Concerns are real.

This is the first time I'm hearing the bolded which led me to googling it and hearing this whole tendinitis story. It does sound potentially concerning.
 
The difference here being that Pettersson is locked up long-term, plays the more important position and is a + defensive player when he has his head on straight. I definitely get the logic of the comparison though.

On the Forsberg point, I think it would mean Staois would have to go find another stopgap #3 because I don't trust Sogaard as far as I can throw him (and at his size that isn't very far) and obviously the depth behind him is abysmal. The logic to including him was definitely to even out the cap while trying to affect as little off the roster as possible.
Locked up long term increases the risk in some regards, look what happened to Cgy with Huberdeau, We were able to pivot with DeBrincat, and while it cost us some assets, we managed to come out of it alright, albeit a tad bruised.

Now watch Huberdeau turn things around and Cgy win the cup off his Conn Smyth performance since I've now used him as a cautionary tale multiple times...
 
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I don't get why the same people that want to trade Norris because they are scared of his shoulder want to trade him for Pettersson who has a chronic knee problem that he will have to manage for the rest of his career.

I am not on board with acquiring Pettersson, unless the context is that there is no market for Norris.

Pettersson is an upgrade, Norris is a sunk cost, etc.

I also think it's extremely important that we make the playoffs this year. If adding Pettersson makes us better to close out the season, that is extremely valuable. Making the playoffs this year or not making the playoffs could be franchise altering.
 
I hadn't heard it was permanent, but...

Lol. I was literally just reading that article.

Definitely some concerns there. Tendinitis seems to be an on again off again thing that people just live with.

I've long suspected I've suffered from tendinitis, but I never bothered pursuing it.
 
If we give up a 1st for Pettersson, I wonder if we could get Vancouver to agree to a conditional element where we can give them any 1st below a certain number, and it doesn't have to be our own. Basically, a way to "protect" our pick but also ensure that Vancouver is guaranteed something like a top 20 pick in 2025. As in, Vancouver acquires Ottawa's 2025 1st Round Pick or Ottawa must provide Vancouver with a top 20 pick in the draft by x date.

That would open us up to acquire a 1st when the season ends. Which we would not be guaranteed to get.

Another thing that people aren't considering is that we could flip Pettersson at the draft before his NMC kicks in. Obviously, that's unlikely. But if we give up Norris and a few plusses for him and we flip him at the draft and break even (or profit) on the assets - all of a sudden we got out of the Norris contract for free, and got a substantial rental for free.
 
Because in this scenario we're moving one band aid for a band aid with (much) higher upside who is debatably better at every single aspect of the game except maybe shooting.

I wouldn't add Pettersson to a group that included Norris for the reasons you stated above, but in a swap there's still some level of logic to a trade that continues to add offensive talent on a team lacking it.
Yakemchuk would be a non starter, I don’t see any scenario where management decides to move on from him.
Plus Petey has tendinitis, I see now,
he is just not worth 11.6 million, and Sens would then have even more minimum wagers in the bottom 6.
 

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