Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[BankStreetParade]

zero chance that Norris ends up better or equal to Pettersson. That was never his potential. Norris is never going to be a 100 point player

You add in the injury history and Ottawa would be dumb not to explore it

Norris for Pettersson wouldn't be selling low...

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I was a huge Pettersson fan until recently, I still like him as a player, but I'm surprised at how many people in here want to bring him in? This guy has an $11.6m cap hit and is on pace for 60 points. He played very poorly in the playoffs last year. He's had confirmed issues with at least one of his teammates, and there's rumors he's had issues with others as well. How can you justify that caphit for what he brings? That to me is a player you stay away from with how he's played recently.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I was a huge Pettersson fan until recently, I still like him as a player, but I'm surprised at how many people in here want to bring him in? This guy has an $11.6m cap hit and is on pace for 60 points. He played very poorly in the playoffs last year. He's had confirmed issues with at least one of his teammates, and there's rumors he's had issues with others as well. How can you justify that caphit for what he brings? That to me is a player you stay away from with how he's played recently.

I think it's intriguing mostly because Ottawa would never have a shot at this caliber of player (at his peak anyways) without them being damaged goods (at least in trade value and perception). You think of players like Rantanan or Marner making it to UFA and Ottawa obviously has no shot at attracting those kind of players regardless of what they offer, so it's theoretically a way of acquiring that kind of player that you'd normally be shut out on.

I don't know if I would actually go through with it, but I think it's fair to point out, and basically accepted, that the team does need another skilled, productive forward.

 

[PlayOn]

I was a huge Pettersson fan until recently, I still like him as a player, but I'm surprised at how many people in here want to bring him in? This guy has an $11.6m cap hit and is on pace for 60 points. He played very poorly in the playoffs last year. He's had confirmed issues with at least one of his teammates, and there's rumors he's had issues with others as well. How can you justify that caphit for what he brings? That to me is a player you stay away from with how he's played recently.

We’re not getting Pettersson but “character issues” are always kind of hard to get read on in hockey, at least from the outside. There are so many players who were an issue somewhere and then did just fine wherever they went, or if they didn’t, we never heard about it.

I think in general a bad environment also brings that stuff out. When we acquired Hamonic a few years ago, Methot said he’d heard he was a problem in the room and that he had legit character issues. He comes here and all we hear is how great he is. Even Bobby Ryan said on CIH last year he heard Hamonic has been great since coming here. And a Vancouver reporter said a couple years ago that the Canucks room was toxic and that if Horvat and Schenn left it would get worse, because they were the most enjoyable guys to be around and that there was a lot of entitlement in the room.

Anyway my point is that it appears that room is a mess, so I don’t know that it would really detract teams from acquiring Pettersson. Unless it’s something egregious with him specifically, it might just be a bad mix in the room. And Ottawa has Green so they have enough info to make that determination. You’d acquire him if you believe that he’s underperforming because of the circumstances he’s in rather than his abilities.

 

[Golden_Jet]

We’re not getting Pettersson but “character issues” are always kind of hard to get read on in hockey, at least from the outside. There are so many players who were an issue somewhere and then did just fine wherever they went, or if they didn’t, we never heard about it.

I think in general a bad environment also brings that stuff out. When we acquired Hamonic a few years ago, Methot said he’d heard he was a problem in the room and that he had legit character issues. He comes here and all we hear is how great he is. Even Bobby Ryan said on CIH last year he heard Hamonic has been great since coming here. And a Vancouver reporter said a couple years ago that the Canucks room was toxic and that if Horvat and Schenn left it would get worse, because they were the most enjoyable guys to be around and that there was a lot of entitlement in the room.

Anyway my point is that it appears that room is a mess, so I don’t know that it would really detract teams from acquiring Pettersson. Unless it’s something egregious with him specifically, it might just be a bad mix in the room. And Ottawa has Green so they have enough info to make that determination. You’d acquire him if you believe that he’s underperforming because of the circumstances he’s in rather than his abilities.

Well he was pouting before he got 11.6 million, and is still pouting afterwards.
Too much money for the player.

 

[PlayOn]

Well he was pouting before he got 11.6 million, and is still pouting afterwards.
Too much money for the player.

If there was no downside to him, he wouldn’t be on the market. That’s a risk I take every time because the potential payoff is huge.

But all that being said, Norris doesn’t get us Pettersson and we have very few assets. It’s not a real option for us so it’s a moot point.

 

[JungleBeat]

Pettersson has more talent in one pinky than Norris.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Pettersson has more talent in one pinky than Norris.

This is a horribly stupid opinion.

 

[GCK]

Pettersson has more talent in one pinky than Norris.

He is much more talented but seems to have checked out once he got his big contract.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[bicboi64]

Andrei Kuzmenko might be an interesting option for a top-6 LW:

MSN

He is on the last year of a contract paying him $5.5m, so there would have to be some creativity (salary going back, retention, etc.) in trading for him.
Had a huge year in his first year in Vancouver in 22-23 with 39 goals and 74 points. Green was gone by then, but Yeo was the assistant coach in Vancouver.
He played with Zub in the KHL and if memory serves, the Senators were one of the final teams in consideration before he chose the Canucks.

If CGY can retain half, I'd take a shot. Give em Boucher or a 4th

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[Hale The Villain]

We have no money or expendable assets to upgrade on Norris to Pettersson, nor should we be interested in doing so given how much it would cost.

 

[PatrickEaves]

Pettersson is never going to get back to his 100 point self. He has the same knee problem as Kawhi, chronic and will never go away for the rest of his career.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Andrei Kuzmenko might be an interesting option for a top-6 LW:

MSN

He is on the last year of a contract paying him $5.5m, so there would have to be some creativity (salary going back, retention, etc.) in trading for him.
Had a huge year in his first year in Vancouver in 22-23 with 39 goals and 74 points. Green was gone by then, but Yeo was the assistant coach in Vancouver.
He played with Zub in the KHL and if memory serves, the Senators were one of the final teams in consideration before he chose the Canucks.

I don't think he fits what they're doing in Ottawa. The team is finally playing like a five-man unit, and Kuzmenko is more of a drifter/freelancer from what I've seen.

 

[BankStreetParade]

We have no money or expendable assets to upgrade on Norris to Pettersson, nor should we be interested in doing so given how much it would cost.

It wouldn't be that complicated if both sides were keen to make the deal happen.

For instance:

Norris $7.95M
Amadio $2.6M
Forsberg $2.75M
Total Money Out: $13.3M this season, $10.55M for the 2 years after this, $7.95M from 2027 until 2030.

We could theoretically retain half on Forsberg and both sides come out under the cap.

Or, Vancouver could retain $600K on Pettersson's deal and we could send just Norris + Amadio to make things work.

There would of course be picks involved but it's pretty doable.

 

[HSF]

I was a huge Pettersson fan until recently, I still like him as a player, but I'm surprised at how many people in here want to bring him in? This guy has an $11.6m cap hit and is on pace for 60 points. He played very poorly in the playoffs last year. He's had confirmed issues with at least one of his teammates, and there's rumors he's had issues with others as well. How can you justify that caphit for what he brings? That to me is a player you stay away from with how he's played recently.

You really don't see it? Like really don't? You don't understand how having a rift with a teammate could potentially drop his numbers down? Look at these 3 year averages. We have seen countless and I mean countless times where a guy has a rift with the team but has the obvious skill to be an elite player. Remember when ORielly said he lost the will to play hockey then goes an wins a cup with StLouis? Remember Eichel?

Obviously it depends on price and if Vancouver will actually trade Pettersson but if they do whoever gets him is getting a realllly good center. Who knows what the rift is but green would have insider knowledge.

 

[Hale The Villain]

It wouldn't be that complicated if both sides were keen to make the deal happen.

For instance:

Norris $7.95M
Amadio $2.6M
Forsberg $2.75M
Total Money Out: $13.3M this season, $10.55M for the 2 years after this, $7.95M from 2027 until 2030.

We could theoretically retain half on Forsberg and both sides come out under the cap.

Or, Vancouver could retain $600K on Pettersson's deal and we could send just Norris + Amadio to make things work.

There would of course be picks involved but it's pretty doable.

Why would they entertain such an offer?

And what picks do we have to trade? We have one of the worst pools in the league and already have to give up our 1st this year or next year.

It's not really feasible. We'll get outbid easily if that's our best offer.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Why would they entertain such an offer?

And what picks do we have to trade? We have one of the worst pools in the league and already have to give up our 1st this year or next year.

It's not really feasible. We'll get outbid easily if that's our best offer.

Ya, money can be matched relatively easily, it's the assets to acquire that are the issue.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Why would they entertain such an offer?

And what picks do we have to trade? We have one of the worst pools in the league and already have to give up our 1st this year or next year.

It's not really feasible. We'll get outbid easily if that's our best offer.

What's wrong with the offer?

If we have to give up our 1st this year or next, we give them the other one. Easy condition to build into the trade. Norris + Amadio + 1RP...

Personally, I think Norris + Amadio + 2RP gets it done but even if we have to give up 1RP, explain to me what's so ridiculous about that proposal that they wouldn't even entertain it?

 

[Hale The Villain]

Ya, money can be matched relatively easily, it's the assets to acquire that are the issue.

Money is an issue too.

Even if they agreed to take on Amadio and Forsberg, we'd be adding about 2M for next season and we're going to be in somewhat of a cap crunch already.

 

[HSF]

Money is an issue too.

Even if they agreed to take on Amadio and Forsberg, we'd be adding about 2M for next season and we're going to be in somewhat of a cap crunch already.

need to dump Perron in the summer or let G walk

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Money is an issue too.

Even if they agreed to take on Amadio and Forsberg, we'd be adding about 2M for next season and we're going to be in somewhat of a cap crunch already.

Well, cap is always an issue, but in the context of matching salaries to get the deal through, not really an issue imo. Then you pick up the pieces in the summer to be cap compliant for next year.

Doesn't really matter, not gonna happen.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[stempniaksen]

I'm probably gonna get lambasted but I'd have no problem moving Yakemchuk to upgrade from Norris to Pettersson. Toss in Forsberg to even out the cap (helps that Leevi has broken out and proven he can handle the #2 job) and you've got the base of a deal that can and should compete with most other offers.

That being said, I have no idea why Petey to Buffalo for Cozens + Byram/Power isn't done yet because no team should be more motivated for a shakeup than the Sabres and they have enough young talent to blow most other teams (Sens included) out of the water.