Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[darude]

zero chance that Norris ends up better or equal to Pettersson. That was never his potential. Norris is never going to be a 100 point player

You add in the injury history and Ottawa would be dumb not to explore it

It's hard to say that Pettersson is either; he's had *one* season at 102 and his second best was 89. He's currently pacing for about 60 points and has fewer goals than Norris.

Maybe the change of scenery makes him suddenly score again, but it's a bigger gamble than you're making it out to be for $3.6M/year more than Norris (and 2 seasons longer), which becomes unmovable after this season. Not to mention whatever other assets we'd be giving up.

I just don't see it.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Petterson was a no show in the playoffs, and has a massive new salary. I’m not sure I’m interested in paying a massive price to acquire him.

I’d rather take Miller if it was one or the other.

 

[Boud]

Petterson was a no show in the playoffs, and has a massive new salary. I’m not sure I’m interested in paying a massive price to acquire him.

I’d rather take Miller if it was one or the other.

Miller fits the mold of this team and the vision that Staios has for the team more than Pettersson but that’s a contract that’ll look ugly sooner than later. Also has a NMC and the perception is that he wouldn’t allow a trade to Canada (other than Van of course) if I’m not mistaken.

Pettersson is more of a fit with his age and doesn’t have as strong a personality. Doesn’t have a NMC currently, only kicks i the offseason.

We’re not getting any of them… I think there’s a more lowkey and smarter play for this roster for next season.

 

[ottawagm]

Three way 'deal' with STL and some other team? Someone picks up Saad on waivers and then we move Perron there to be with family for future considerations.

 

[Bileur]

Another issue with EP is the amount of PP time he'd need. Him and Stu both average above 3 minutes on the PP. One of them has to start being a bit self and start shooting the biscuit. Hope EP would be the kind of guy that can change his game there but he certainly would be a better facilitator in the top 6 and could bring the best out of some of the wingers if he regains form

The sens first unit with EP in Norris’ spot would be pretty scary.

 

[BondraTime]

There’s not much comparison with Norris and Pettersson, one’s an overpaid 2nd line C the other is an overpaid 1st line C

Money is an issue for both, but you’re getting a much, much better player with Petterson.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Pettersson also doesn't have the body for a long NHL career. I wouldn't want to have that kind of player on the long term contract, no matter how good he can be.

 

[GCK]

There’s not much comparison with Norris and Pettersson, one’s an overpaid 2nd line C the other is an overpaid 1st line C

Money is an issue for both, but you’re getting a much, much better player with Petterson.

At their best there is no comparison but EP has been awful since he signed his new contract.

 

[dumbdick]

It's not a complicated question. What evidence is there that he's declining rather than a guy playing on one of the lowest scoring teams in the league?

I think you're missing the point. I'm not looking to engage with you on whether norris will get better or worse going forward.

I was just pointing out that your assertion -- that trading norris now is selling low -- is your speculative opinion and not a statement of fact.

In fact, I'm not talking about Norris at all. I'm just pointing out that you presented an opinion as a fact.

I don't know your motivations, but my OPINION is that you likely felt the exaggerated surety about unknowable future events would raise the temp on an already scorching hot take.

 

[Puikiou]

1. Josh Norris + Tyler Boucher + Jacob Bernard-Docker + 2025 2nd round pick to Vancouver for Elias Pettersson

2. David Perron + pick to Seattle for Yanni Gourde

Tkachuk - Pettersson - Gourde
Giroux - Stützle - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Amadio
Cousins - Ostapchuk - Gregor
Highmore

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - Matinpalo
Hamonic

Ullmark
Merilainen
​

PP1
Tkachuk - Pettersson - Batherson
Stützle - Sanderson

PP2
Greig - Pinto - Gourde
Giroux - Chabot

PK1
Pettersson - Giroux
Sanderson - Zub

PK2
Pinto - Greig
Chabot - Jensen

PK3
Ostapchuk - Gourde/Amadio
Kleven - Matinpalo

Si me gusta por favor!

 

[zenator]

David Perron is 36, has 0 points in 13 games. No team will take him in a trade, unless you're bringing back an equally bad contract.

Can he be bought out at season's end, or is there some 35+ rule that prohibits that?

Tyler Boucher? Why would a team be interested in a player who is barely an AHLer?

 

[TheNewEra]

Perron does look like our worst contract but at the same time we need to give him a few games in a row lol

He has played 5 games in a row at max. We have had players go on larger cold streaks. Its not a full on defense of him, if he plays all the games before 4 nations and has no points then i will be on the wtf is this train. Its just a bit early right now imo

 

[PlayOn]

Perron does look like our worst contract but at the same time we need to give him a few games in a row lol

He has played 5 games in a row at max. We have had players go on larger cold streaks. Its not a full on defense of him, if he plays all the games before 4 nations and has no points then i will be on the wtf is this train. Its just a bit early right now imo

I agree but at the same time it’s hard to imagine a world where his money is not better off being used elsewhere - especially next year. And that would be true even if he puts together a strong finish.

 

[TheNewEra]

I agree but at the same time it’s hard to imagine a world where his money is not better off being used elsewhere - especially next year. And that would be true even if he puts together a strong finish.

oh i fully agree with that, unless he suddenly turns into a ppg guy the money can probably be used better elsewhere. All im saying is considering the teams style of play, and our regular forwards offense being down we may want to give him 8-10 games in a row before really being like what is this. Now can he play 8-10 games in a row is a different question haha

 

[Micklebot]

The question with Norris is what is he.

Is his shoulder still an issue? Seems like it's holding up just fine to me. The longer this goes, the less concern I have.

Is the shot still there? He hasn't gotten off the one-timer the way he used to but he's still pacing around 30 goals. Timing looks off, and they aren't getting the puck to him as much in that shooting position, so at best we can say maybe, maybe not

What does future Norris produce? He's currently pacing around 50 pts and 30 goals, not terrible, but not great either. What is that in the context of this team though. Stutzle put up 90 a few years ago and is pacing at 78 now, Tkachuk put up 74 last year and is pacing at 64 now. The team puts D first and plays a low event style of hockey, very different from DJ did. As the team becomes more and more automatic in the defensive end, I believe the coaching staff will shift the focus towards producing offense out of that defense, at which point we'll start to see the offence come back.

I think Norris could settle in as a 35g 60-65 pts guy, similar to Horvat production but a touch lower. That's best case for him imo, and if he does that, I'd say he's living up to his contract.

The more likely scenario is probably 25-30g 50pts and the things go bad scenario is probably 15g 35 pts playing on the 3rd line with limited PP time.

Personally, I see a future with Norris as a winger for Stu, and a center when we have injuries, as a strong option. If Pinto can prove himself as a capable #2 center, and Norris can find chemistry on Stu's wing, that would be fantastic.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

The question with Norris is what is he.

Is his shoulder still an issue? Seems like it's holding up just fine to me. The longer this goes, the less concern I have.

Is the shot still there? He hasn't gotten off the one-timer the way he used to but he's still pacing around 30 goals. Timing looks off, and they aren't getting the puck to him as much in that shooting position, so at best we can say maybe, maybe not

What does future Norris produce? He's currently pacing around 50 pts and 30 goals, not terrible, but not great either. What is that in the context of this team though. Stutzle put up 90 a few years ago and is pacing at 78 now, Tkachuk put up 74 last year and is pacing at 64 now. The team puts D first and plays a low event style of hockey, very different from DJ did. As the team becomes more and more automatic in the defensive end, I believe the coaching staff will shift the focus towards producing offense out of that defense, at which point we'll start to see the offence come back.

I think Norris could settle in as a 35g 60-65 pts guy, similar to Horvat production but a touch lower. That's best case for him imo, and if he does that, I'd say he's living up to his contract.

The more likely scenario is probably 25-30g 50pts and the things go bad scenario is probably 15g 35 pts playing on the 3rd line with limited PP time.

Personally, I see a future with Norris as a winger for Stu, and a center when we have injuries, as a strong option. If Pinto can prove himself as a capable #2 center, and Norris can find chemistry on Stu's wing, that would be fantastic.

I agree completely on all points. Although I do not think 35g 65 points is best case. I think 40-35 is.

Like you said, he is pacing 30 goals... without his lethal shot.. on a defensive first team where everyone's scoring is down by at least 10 points. I think he can be Hischier/Carter Verhaeghe.

I also agree his best spot will be on Stutzle's wing.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

The TSN1200 people this morning seem to be really pushing this Pettersson rumour. Do they know something?

 

[Tragedy]

The TSN1200 people this morning seem to be really pushing this Pettersson rumour. Do they know something?

They know they have hours of airtime to fill and thats about it

 

[Micklebot]

The TSN1200 people this morning seem to be really pushing this Pettersson rumour. Do they know something?

They know that talking about trades no matter how unrealistic, is good for their ratings.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

David Perron is 36, has 0 points in 13 games. No team will take him in a trade, unless you're bringing back an equally bad contract.

Can he be bought out at season's end, or is there some 35+ rule that prohibits that?

Tyler Boucher? Why would a team be interested in a player who is barely an AHLer?

Perron only has one year left, I doubt it should be too hard to attach a 3rd and something at the draft to unload him to a rebuilding team. We're going to have to pay again (like Joseph) but it will be extremely hard to make decent additions and retain Giroux this summer if Perron is still on the books.

 

[GCK]

Perron only has one year left, I doubt it should be too hard to attach a 3rd and something at the draft to unload him to a rebuilding team. We're going to have to pay again (like Joseph) but it will be extremely hard to make decent additions and retain Giroux this summer if Perron is still on the books.

No it won’t. We have plenty of cap space. The issue is assets required to trade for upgrades.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

No it won’t. We have plenty of cap space. The issue is assets required to trade for upgrades.

We really don't. After factoring in Ullmark and Greig's raises it looks pretty tight.

 

[bicboi64]

Perron only has one year left, I doubt it should be too hard to attach a 3rd and something at the draft to unload him to a rebuilding team. We're going to have to pay again (like Joseph) but it will be extremely hard to make decent additions and retain Giroux this summer if Perron is still on the books.

He only has a 15-team no-trade list. I definitely think we'll be able to move him (assuming an upgrade is on the table)

 

[Good in Osgoode]

Andrei Kuzmenko might be an interesting option for a top-6 LW:

MSN

He is on the last year of a contract paying him $5.5m, so there would have to be some creativity (salary going back, retention, etc.) in trading for him.
Had a huge year in his first year in Vancouver in 22-23 with 39 goals and 74 points. Green was gone by then, but Yeo was the assistant coach in Vancouver.
He played with Zub in the KHL and if memory serves, the Senators were one of the final teams in consideration before he chose the Canucks.

 

[Icelevel]

At least our head coach has coached both Pettersson and Miller and would know them well enough. They know him too so if they liked skating for him that could help in a miller trade.