Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Cosmix]

The reason he brought in veterans and tried to make as much of a wholesale change of the roster as he could was I assume to combat the exact thing that people are complaining about in multiple threads, the lack of professional preparedness and compete.

You also have to look at his moves in totality. Gregor and Gaudette have both been positive depth players. Jensen was a homerun.

As far as Perron goes, I wouldn't expect him to live up to his contract because we clearly overpaid to attract him, but I also don't think it's fair to judge his play so far when we know what was going on off the ice with his family.

I think that if Ullmark can get to where he is supposed to be, that given the lack of cap flexibility and complete lack of assets that Staios had to work with, he did a reasonable job re-tooling the roster. The problem is that it's not an overnight thing to fix. A few veterans playing 3rd line minutes aren't going to come in, and change the viewpoint of the superstars we have.

Obviously if this is the Ullmark we acquired, and he is signed for 5 years with a NMC, that's a Matt Murray-tier disaster that could set the team back years.

If anything, I think bringing a veteran like Perron in was more for the next wave who haven't been here long enough to lose their fire, like Pinto. Guys like Chabot and Tkachuk in this environment might be toxic now. They might legitimately need a change of scenery where they aren't the headliners on a team and are in a completely new environment with different hard norms established.

I don't think we're going for a full scale rebuild, but if we miss the playoffs again it would shock me if Tkachuk is still here by July 1st. I think we will slowly try to move out the core Dorion built and build around the next wave of Stutzle/Sanderson/Pinto/Yak.

Jensen has been very good and played better than Chychrun. Good trade there so far.

I like what Gregor brings: fast skating, hard forechecking and strong back checking. Would like more goals but he is obviously not skilled enough to provide that too.

Our defense core is too soft; we need some size, strength and physicality back there. Kleven gets a pass from me as he is a rookie. Bernard-Docker and Hamonic are weak links. Bernard-Docker still has an opportunity to get better but he better hurry up as Yak is coming. Hamonic should be gone by the start of next season.

Sanderson has disappointed; I hope he turns his game around soon.

We all know about the goaltending.

yeah we have a lot of gliders and guys that defend at the end of their sticks. Looking for any opportunity to blow the d zone. I wonder what they say when they watch the tape the next day

I wonder what the coaches say; I then wonder what the hell the coaches are doing to get the players' heads out of their . . .

 

[Bileur]

Amadio is a decent player and addition but this team needed (and needs) more speed, particularly if Perron was the other target.

 

[aragorn]

He doesn’t play defence. Likely not capable.
Doesn’t take over shifts regularly and makes 8 million dollars

This team has needed a player like Tkachuk for over a decade, if they move him they will be looking for that same player for another decade or more. He's their best player & does more than any other player on the team. From looking at the highlights it seems to be that it is still goaltending that is letting the team down with allowing weak goals. While the goalies play well at times it's that one weak goal that seems to kill them constantly. There are a few $8 mil dollar players I would move before Tkachuk, but this fan base will eventually get rid of him & he will come back to kill this team.

 

[BradyTkachucky]

This team has needed a player like Tkachuk for over a decade, if they move him they will be looking for that same player for another decade or more. He's their best player & does more than any other player on the team. From looking at the highlights it seems to be that it is still goaltending that is letting the team down with allowing weak goals. While the goalies play well at times it's that one weak goal that seems to kill them constantly. There are a few $8 mil dollar players I would move before Tkachuk, but this fan base will eventually get rid of him & he will come back to kill this team.

In all fairness, this team has been dead for 7 years and counting.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

If you trade Brady it's only for a player arguably better than him aka Pastrnak or Rantanen.

Nothing else makes sense. Nothing.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Amadio is a decent player and addition but this team needed (and needs) more speed, particularly if Perron was the other target.

Yea.

No idea why the hell Gregor is out too. Gregor should easily be in over Cousins. Especially considering the need for speed.

 

[bicboi64]

If you trade Brady it's only for a player arguably better than him aka Pastrnak or Rantanen.

Nothing else makes sense. Nothing.

At first glance, I'd like to trade for either, but Rantanen will get paid $12+ million going into next year and will kill our chances of having adequate depth.

Pasta typically outscores his awful defensive play, and he's had Bergeron for so much of his career that he'll look as bad as Brady does in terms of bad backchecking.

If we move Brady, I'd rather not just exchange star wingers and would opt for package deals that give us some better depth and assets

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

At first glance, I'd like to trade for either, but Rantanen will get paid $12+ million going into next year and will kill our chances of having adequate depth.

Pasta typically outscores his awful defensive play, and he's had Bergeron for so much of his career that he'll look as bad as Brady does in terms of bad backchecking.

If we move Brady, I'd rather not just exchange star wingers and would opt for package deals that give us some better depth and assets

We don't need depth. We need star ability.

Pastrnak is a 60 goal scorer who scored 50 MORE POINTS IN LAST 2 SEASONS than 2nd highest teammate.

Rantanen is Rantanen. I'd trade Chabot for a 5 million defender and make up the 3 million.

We'd be a better team.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

This team has needed a player like Tkachuk for over a decade, if they move him they will be looking for that same player for another decade or more. He's their best player & does more than any other player on the team. From looking at the highlights it seems to be that it is still goaltending that is letting the team down with allowing weak goals. While the goalies play well at times it's that one weak goal that seems to kill them constantly. There are a few $8 mil dollar players I would move before Tkachuk, but this fan base will eventually get rid of him & he will come back to kill this team.

Not our best player.

Teams win without players like tkatchuk.

I have mused about trading him. But reality is probably won’t. Maybe shouldn’t.

But if you want to shake things up…. It’s him or batherson. I would trade batherson first. But

 

[Senator Stanley]

Brady just watched his brother escape small town Canada and win a cup within a couple years in a no tax state with amazing weather.

I think once his brother won a cup the clock started ticking. Won't be willing to tolerate failure for much longer. Already been 7 years in the league for him without seeing playoff hockey.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he wants out if we miss the post-season again. Question is whether he'd make that clear prior to his NMC kicking in or only afterwards when he'd get to pick his destination.

Discussing this hypothetical doesn't mean anyone necessarily wants Brady to be traded. As Gil points out, we may not have much of a choice in the matter.

It's going to be a very long season if this is the conversation after every loss.

 

[Senovision]

If you trade Brady it's only for a player arguably better than him aka Pastrnak or Rantanen.

Nothing else makes sense. Nothing.

If you get floaters like Pasternak ( $11.25 million) non physical player. Pasta has less goals and less pounts than Brady and he has played more games this season. Who would fight Timmy's battles without Brady in the line up? No one is the answer to that one because no one on his line is capable of fighting for him.
Also once Brady is traded then other teams would have free reign on our players and would target Timmy all night long and that would lessen his production.....see the Toronto Maple Leafs their star players become less impactful in the playoffs because the physical play is increased.
But other teams would do this all regular season long against the Sens without 6'5 power forward Brady out there. Brady also creates so much space for Timmy to do his skillful maneuvers.
Boston has a group of tough players that will come to Pastas aid if he needs it. We have none.

 

[Bileur]

Yea.

No idea why the hell Gregor is out too. Gregor should easily be in over Cousins. Especially considering the need for speed.

Agreed. I know the fourth line has been playing decent but I think it might even be better with Gregor over Cousins.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Agreed. I know the fourth line has been playing decent but I think it might even be better with Gregor over Cousins.

I thought Cousins was a good veteran addition, but he has had some absolute team killing penalties and decisions this year.

 

[Micklebot]

We don't need depth. We need star ability.

Pastrnak is a 60 goal scorer who scored 50 MORE POINTS IN LAST 2 SEASONS than 2nd highest teammate.

Rantanen is Rantanen. I'd trade Chabot for a 5 million defender and make up the 3 million.

We'd be a better team.

I disagree, we need our depth to contribute, right now, secondary scorers are the issue.

Pinto, Greig, Amadio and Perron are pacing to combine for 62 pts. That's if they play every remaining game.

We went into the season reasonably expecting Pinto to get ~50 to 60 on his own, Perron to get another 35-40, Greig to get another 30-35 and Amadio to get 30. Thats 145-160 pts, so we're paceing at a drop of 83 to 103pts, maybe you think I'm being unreasonable, drop 10 pts from each and you're still seeing a 40-60 pts drop from that group.

 

[Micklebot]

Yea.

No idea why the hell Gregor is out too. Gregor should easily be in over Cousins. Especially considering the need for speed.

Well, he's injured, been practicing in the non-contact jersey.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Josh Norris & JBD for Ryan O'Reilly & Luke (Not Brayden) Schenn.

It's Norris for Ryan O'Reilly, but we take Like (Not Brayden) Schenn for JBD instead of retaining on Norris.

Trade for two heavily declining veterans and hope that the shockwave can change the complexion of the room before we have to completely tear it down. It also gives us a Hamonic+Schenn bottom pair with Hamonic on his offside.

Nashville is just as screwed as us so far. They need another scoring center long term. They know ROR is toast. So they gamble on the shoulder of Norris.

 

[BigRig4]

Josh Norris & JBD for Ryan O'Reilly & Brayden Schenn.

It's Norris for Ryan O'Reilly, but we take Brayden Schenn for JBD instead of retaining on Norris.

Trade for two heavily declining veterans and hope that the shockwave can change the complexion of the room before we have to completely tear it down. It also gives us a Hamonic+Schenn bottom pair with Hamonic on his offside.

Nashville is just as screwed as us so far. They need another scoring center long term. They know ROR is toast. So they gamble on the shoulder of Norris.

Luke Schenn

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Luke Schenn

Old age.

 

[Sensinitis]

Josh Norris & JBD for Ryan O'Reilly & Brayden Schenn.

It's Norris for Ryan O'Reilly, but we take Brayden Schenn for JBD instead of retaining on Norris.

Trade for two heavily declining veterans and hope that the shockwave can change the complexion of the room before we have to completely tear it down. It also gives us a Hamonic+Schenn bottom pair with Hamonic on his offside.

Nashville is just as screwed as us so far. They need another scoring center long term. They know ROR is toast. So they gamble on the shoulder of Norris.

is your intention with this move to tank?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

If you get floaters like Pasternak ( $11.25 million) non physical player. Pasta has less goals and less pounts than Brady and he has played more games this season. Who would fight Timmy's battles without Brady in the line up? No one is the answer to that one because no one on his line is capable of fighting for him.
Also once Brady is traded then other teams would have free reign on our players and would target Timmy all night long and that would lessen his production.....see the Toronto Maple Leafs their star players become less impactful in the playoffs because the physical play is increased.
But other teams would do this all regular season long against the Sens without 6'5 power forward Brady out there. Brady also creates so much space for Timmy to do his skillful maneuvers.
Boston has a group of tough players that will come to Pastas aid if he needs it. We have none.

What do you mean who would fight Timmy's battles?

Timmy would battle them like every other hockey player in the league.

This isn't the 1980s.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

is your intention with this move to tank?

I'm half trying to predict the kind of move this management will make based on their clear mandate to add veterans who have been there before, and half trying to trigger people.

 

[PlayOn]

I'm half trying to predict the kind of move this management will make based on their clear mandate to add veterans who have been there before, and half trying to trigger people.

Consider me triggered.

 

[Loach]

This team has needed a player like Tkachuk for over a decade, if they move him they will be looking for that same player for another decade or more. He's their best player & does more than any other player on the team. From looking at the highlights it seems to be that it is still goaltending that is letting the team down with allowing weak goals. While the goalies play well at times it's that one weak goal that seems to kill them constantly. There are a few $8 mil dollar players I would move before Tkachuk, but this fan base will eventually get rid of him & he will come back to kill this team.

I get what you're saying. Adding Brady to the 1999 team instead of Havlat would have been perfect. This is different though. You're not adding Brady to a Martin team with Alfie as the Captain. You're trying to build around a kid during a shit storm. If he changes his play a bit to adjust, perfect. What if he doesn't want toor can't?

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Guys, I messed up.

The Rangers board quoted my Lafreniere post and reported to their fanbase that the entire Sens board wants Lafreniere for Tkachuk. Now except for one guy who has assaulted me with paragraphs about why Lafreniere is better, they are trying to will it into existence.

As one of the assistant captains of this board, I have to take responsibility if come trade deadline Lafreniere is a Senators. I'm sorry that I let you guys down.

 

[Hale The Villain]

It's going to be a very long season if this is the conversation after every loss.

I don't intend to post about Tkachuk's future here after every loss, but it's something worth paying attention to.

Any player that spends the first 8 years of his career on a bottom feeder without seeing playoff hockey is a flight risk, and even more so for him given what I mentioned in my post.