Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[aragorn]

Why the hell would Ottawa trade the best player on their team, their captain & the guy who has led this team in scoring for 4 of the last 5 yrs? This makes no sense they have been trying to get a player like Tkachuk since the Gary Roberts days, that is how long it takes to get this kind of player & people want to move him for what exactly? You will never get the same kind of player back, Tkachuk scores, he is a very good playmaker, he hits, he fights & if not for him a lot more guys will go after Stutzle. How is another small soft player going to help this team given what we see in every playoff series?

 

[SensFactor]

Can't believe we are talking about trading Tkachuk. Listen, that is not the answer. Him, Batherson and Stutzle have been fine.

We need more from Giroux, Perron, Pinto, Norris, Greig, Amadio, Gregor, Cousins. Our depth forwards for the most part are good defensively but have no offensive impact thus far outside of Gaudette.

• I like Greig but he needs to add some muscle and get bigger. Please get him off the top line. 4pts in 15 games, -5
• Is Pinto still hurt? 1 goal in 10 games, -6
• Perron, 0pts in 7 games, -4 (he gets a pass because of family issues)
• Amadio, 4pts in 18 games, -4
• Gregor, 3pts in 16 games
• Norris has 8 goals but his play is very inconsistent outside of scoring
• Cousins, 3pts in 18 games

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Why the hell would Ottawa trade the best player on their team, their captain & the guy who has led this team in scoring for 4 of the last 5 yrs? This makes no sense they have been trying to get a player like Tkachuk since the Gary Roberts days, that is how long it takes to get this kind of player & people want to move him for what exactly? You will never get the same kind of player back, Tkachuk scores, he is a very good playmaker, he hits, he fights & if not for him a lot more guys will go after Stutzle. How is another small soft player going to help this team given what we see in every playoff series?

I don't think he's the problem, but the argument from me would be that he's one of the few that would potentially bring back pieces that allows you to try to re-tool, and not just subtract from the roster or blow it up. Trading guys like Chabot/Norris is going to result in little of consequence in return. Giroux is too old to get much of a return and if anything would just not be re-signed. Stutzle/Sanderson are what you hope you can build around and have longer contract runways. They don't have much not on the team that's going to make a difference, so outside the org is where any potential answers lie.

He's now in his 7th full season, his career is essentially half over, and they haven't finished over .500 yet. For as great as he's done individually, they still haven't moved the needle.

I'd probably start with Pinto or Grieg and a + package, but if the season ends poorly again, it seems time to do something big and bold, not just run it back.

 

[Loach]

I don't think he's the problem, but the argument from me would be that he's one of the few that would potentially bring back pieces that allows you to try to re-tool, and not just subtract from the roster or blow it up. Trading guys like Chabot/Norris is going to result in little of consequence in return. Giroux is too old to get much of a return and if anything would just not be re-signed. Stutzle/Sanderson are what you hope you can build around and have longer contract runways. They don't have much not on the team that's going to make a difference, so outside the org is where any potential answers lie.

He's now in his 7th full season, his career is essentially half over, and they haven't finished over .500 yet. For as great as he's done individually, they still haven't moved the needle.

I'd probably start with Pinto or Grieg and a + package, but if the season ends poorly again, it seems time to do something big and bold, not just run it back.

If. If it was to happen, I would go to Anaheim and see what they would put on the table for him.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I could see them considering moving Zub, down the line, with his concussion concerns.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Any Tkachuk talk I make should be prefaced with, he will only get moved if they fail to make the playoffs again because the team cannot risk keeping him after his NMC kicks in if he isn't 100 percent happy.

Without any inside sources it's fair to assume that a superstar may want out after 7 years of failed rebuilds.

His NMC is the big problem. Once it kicks in the return goes from us getting something that we can seriously retool around to us getting whatever Vegas, Dallas, or Tampa will give us in a fixed market.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Any Tkachuk talk I make should be prefaced with, he will only get moved if they fail to make the playoffs again because the team cannot risk keeping him after his NMC kicks in if he isn't 100 percent happy.

Without any inside sources it's fair to assume that a superstar may want out after 7 years of failed rebuilds.

His NMC is the big problem. Once it kicks in the return goes from us getting something that we can seriously retool around to us getting whatever Vegas, Dallas, or Tampa will give us in a fixed market.

we gotta take advantage of Brady being seen as a "superstar" too.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Any Tkachuk talk I make should be prefaced with, he will only get moved if they fail to make the playoffs again because the team cannot risk keeping him after his NMC kicks in if he isn't 100 percent happy.

Without any inside sources it's fair to assume that a superstar may want out after 7 years of failed rebuilds.

His NMC is the big problem. Once it kicks in the return goes from us getting something that we can seriously retool around to us getting whatever Vegas, Dallas, or Tampa will give us in a fixed market.

In the scenario where we fail to miss the playoffs again and Brady either asks out or Staios decides to deal him prior to the NMC kicks in after seeing the writing forming on the wall, I'd hope for a deal based around Tkachuk and McTavish, maybe with Norris and Zegras thrown in to equalize the positions in/out.

Still I imagine the more likely return would be something like Mercer+Nemec+ from the Devilks, or a similar package of lesser pieces from a different team.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Can't believe we are talking about trading Tkachuk. Listen, that is not the answer. Him, Batherson and Stutzle have been fine.

We need more from Giroux, Perron, Pinto, Norris, Greig, Amadio, Gregor, Cousins. Our depth forwards for the most part are good defensively but have no offensive impact thus far outside of Gaudette.

• I like Greig but he needs to add some muscle and get bigger. Please get him off the top line. 4pts in 15 games, -5
• Is Pinto still hurt? 1 goal in 10 games, -6
• Perron, 0pts in 7 games, -4 (he gets a pass because of family issues)
• Amadio, 4pts in 18 games, -4
• Gregor, 3pts in 16 games
• Norris has 8 goals but his play is very inconsistent outside of scoring
• Cousins, 3pts in 18 games

they haven't been fine.

Brady and Batherson follow up a great game with like 3 straight duds. it doesn't matter that in one of the blowout games they picked up 3 points while in hard three games they pick up 1.

sure it makes them ppg but no team is winning like that.

only guys who have played consistently good this season are Stutzle, Jensen, and maybe Forsberg.

 

[bicboi64]

In the scenario where we fail to miss the playoffs again and Brady either asks out or Staios decides to deal him prior to the NMC kicks in after seeing the writing forming on the wall, I'd hope for a deal based around Tkachuk and McTavish, maybe with Norris and Zegras thrown in to equalize the positions in/out.

Still I imagine the more likely return would be something like Mercer+Nemec+ from the Devilks, or a similar package of lesser pieces from a different team.

Regardless of who ends up getting traded (if we go that route), I just hope Staios can do a rebuild/retool better than Dorion.

Just get back pieces that fit a more sustainable and coherent vision.

 

[Cosmix]

Why the hell would Ottawa trade the best player on their team, their captain & the guy who has led this team in scoring for 4 of the last 5 yrs? This makes no sense they have been trying to get a player like Tkachuk since the Gary Roberts days, that is how long it takes to get this kind of player & people want to move him for what exactly? You will never get the same kind of player back, Tkachuk scores, he is a very good playmaker, he hits, he fights & if not for him a lot more guys will go after Stutzle. How is another small soft player going to help this team given what we see in every playoff series?

Someone needs a valium; not you Aragorn!

Regardless of who ends up getting traded (if we go that route), I just hope Staios can do a rebuild/retool better than Dorion.

Just get back pieces that fit a more sustainable and coherent vision.

What "sustainable coherent vision" do you have in mind?

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Regardless of who ends up getting traded (if we go that route), I just hope Staios can do a rebuild/retool better than Dorion.

Just get back pieces that fit a more sustainable and coherent vision.

We seriously need better scouts. For example despite Winnipeg having no 1st round pick and having 4 picks total, 3 of the 4 prospects they've picked are having great D+1.

Heck their 6th round pick is having a monster D+1 on an awful team and he's literally what our scouts look for (Size and grit).

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[bicboi64]

What "sustainable coherent vision" do you have in mind?

-Draft high-end skill
-No trading futures for shiny toys that don't have cost control
-Acquire vets that aren't too slow to play the game
-No signing guys to huge deals until they've proven it
-Get players that are the right fit
-Let the future leadership be assigned based on merit and surround any future young leaders with good vet leadership

Not that Staios hasn't done this (Yakemchuk is a high skill pick and he hasn't traded any futures yet) and has already hit the mark with a couple of moves (Jensen is the right fit, even if he's not as flashy as Chychrun was)

 

[Cosmix]

-Draft high-end skill
-No trading futures for shiny toys that don't have cost control
-Acquire vets that aren't too slow to play the game
-No signing guys to huge deals until they've proven it
-Get players that are the right fit
-Let the future leadership be assigned based on merit and surround any future young leaders with good vet leadership

Not that Staios hasn't done this (Yakemchuk is a high skill pick and he hasn't traded any futures yet) and has already hit the mark with a couple of moves (Jensen is the right fit, even if he's not as flashy as Chychrun was)

Staios has traded draft picks: a 3rd round pick & Joseph for "nothing"!
Staios has hired slow vets: Perron and Amadio

 

[SensFactor]

they haven't been fine.

Brady and Batherson follow up a great game with like 3 straight duds. it doesn't matter that in one of the blowout games they picked up 3 points while in hard three games they pick up 1.

sure it makes them ppg but no team is winning like that.

only guys who have played consistently good this season are Stutzle, Jensen, and maybe Forsberg.

Be that as it may, if you think trading Brady is the answer to solving our issues, then I don't know what to tell you. I would make at least 10 other moves before moving the best captain we have had since Alfie.

He is not the issue here. How many times do we see him driving the line instead of Stutzle? Stutzle barely takes faceoffs because he sucks so much at them. Timmy has one of the league's worst top-line C faceoff % at 23%. I would move Greig off that top line, he doesn't belong. They must decide who can play with Stutzle and Tkachuk on that top line. The line (including Brady) often struggles because it's 1 and done in the O-zone. Brady comes in, causes havoc and nobody is there to support him. Stutzle is more finesse than power.

Batherson has been inconsistent but he at least puts up points.

 

[DackellDuck]

Be that as it may, if you think trading Brady is the answer to solving our issues, then I don't know what to tell you. I would make at least 10 other moves before moving the best captain we have had since Alfie.

He is not the issue here. How many times do we see him driving the line instead of Stutzle? Stutzle barely takes faceoffs because he sucks so much at them. Timmy has one of the league's worst top-line C faceoff % at 23%. I would move Greig off that top line, he doesn't belong. They must decide who can play with Stutzle and Tkachuk on that top line. A lot of times that top line (including Brady) struggles because it's 1 and done in the O-zone. Brady comes in and causes havoc and nobody is there to support him. Stutzle is more finesse than power.

Batherson has been inconsistent but he is also at least points up points.

The myth of Tkachuk being a great captain needs to be put to rest, I think. Could he become a great captain? Sure. Alfie didn't become Alfie until his late 20's/early 30's.

But up to this point, let's cool it a bit with the leadership stuff. Seems like a great teammate and guy to be around, but I don't see all that much leadership.

 

[bicboi64]

Staios has traded draft picks: a 3rd round pick & Joseph for "nothing"!
Staios has hired slow vets: Perron and Amadio

I wasn't a fan of either move, could've just kept Joseph and then signed Amadio if we really wanted forward depth, but the Perron signing was one of those 'we got a guy with the right intangibles'.

I hope he does better going forward because Staios isn't going anywhere.

 

[SensFactor]

The myth of Tkachuk being a great captain needs to be put to rest, I think. Could he become a great captain? Sure. Alfie didn't become Alfie until his late 20's/early 30's.

But up to this point, let's cool it a bit with the leadership stuff. Seems like a great teammate and guy to be around, but I don't see all that much leadership.

The point is he got thrust into the C role when he signed his contract. Without him, this team would have no rudder. Your captain pulls you into the fight each night and nobody on the team does that consistently like him. He does have off nights, but he's only 25 and we need to support him and not turn on him when there are other areas of concern on this team.

 

[bicboi64]

Be that as it may, if you think trading Brady is the answer to solving our issues, then I don't know what to tell you. I would make at least 10 other moves before moving the best captain we have had since Alfie.

Man the Karlsson disrespect is real.

Like its okay to be a fan of Tkachuk because he's a unicorn power forward while acknowledging that his leadership isn't exactly the best. Not necessarily his fault because he was given the C too early by a very short-sighted management.

After Alfie and then EK, the quality of leadership has been very mediocre and Tkachuk is a part of that mediocrity.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Be that as it may, if you think trading Brady is the answer to solving our issues, then I don't know what to tell you. I would make at least 10 other moves before moving the best captain we have had since Alfie.

He is not the issue here. How many times do we see him driving the line instead of Stutzle? Stutzle barely takes faceoffs because he sucks so much at them. Timmy has one of the league's worst top-line C faceoff % at 23%. I would move Greig off that top line, he doesn't belong. They must decide who can play with Stutzle and Tkachuk on that top line. A lot of times that top line (including Brady) struggles because it's 1 and done in the O-zone. Brady comes in and causes havoc and nobody is there to support him. Stutzle is more finesse than power.

Batherson has been inconsistent but he is also at least points up points.

it's not that trading brady is the solution it's more that the return from trading brady could be a bigger and better solution. those other 10 moves you are going to do aren't going to bring in much.

Stutzle has been the only good forward on the team this year.

The point is he got thrust into the C role when he signed his contract. Without him, this team would have no rudder. Your captain pulls you into the fight each night and nobody on the team does that consistently like him. He does have off nights, but he's only 25 and we need to support him and not turn on him when there are other areas of concern on this team.

lets not ignore that Brady essentially used the C as leverage to get a bigger contract. A C he didn't even have at that point.

 

[DackellDuck]

The point is he got thrust into the C role when he signed his contract. Without him, this team would have no rudder. Your captain pulls you into the fight each night and nobody on the team does that consistently like him. He does have off nights, but he's only 25 and we need to support him and not turn on him when there are other areas of concern on this team.

Does this team have rudder? Staios, JM and Green have all been pretty up front that this team’s work ethic, commitment to detail and mental fortitude has been lacking… and they’ve tried to address the leadership gap that’s existed for years.

And again, it’s not all on Tkachuk. He did nothing to earn the captaincy and was given it too early because we traded everyone off. He might one day become a good, or great, captain.

But he’s not there today.

 

[SensFactor]

it's not that trading brady is the solution it's more that the return from trading brady could be a bigger and better solution. those other 10 moves you are going to do aren't going to bring in much.

Stutzle has been the only good forward on the team this year.

I respectfully disagree. You create a massive black hole on the team when you remove a player like him from the lineup.

 

[BondraTime]

The point is he got thrust into the C role when he signed his contract. Without him, this team would have no rudder. Your captain pulls you into the fight each night and nobody on the team does that consistently like him. He does have off nights, but he's only 25 and we need to support him and not turn on him when there are other areas of concern on this team.

I mean, the team really hasn’t had a rudder. It’s been floating around for 8 years.

That’s not his fault, but it’s not as though there has been some kind of shift or culture shift of winning he’s brought.

 

[SensFactor]

it's not that trading brady is the solution it's more that the return from trading brady could be a bigger and better solution. those other 10 moves you are going to do aren't going to bring in much.

Stutzle has been the only good forward on the team this year.



lets not ignore that Brady essentially used the C as leverage to get a bigger contract. A C he didn't even have at that point.

Who else would they have made C, Chabot? He was criticized even back then for this D-zone play. Brady was young, and unproven but had the highest upside there was no other choice, to be honest. Can you blame Brady for Dorion giving him the C? Dorion was trying to keep his job.

 

[SensFactor]

I mean, the team really hasn’t had a rudder. It’s been floating around for 8 years.

That’s not his fault, but it’s not as though there has been some kind of shift or culture shift of winning he’s brought.

Brady is one player. He is the exact type of power forward EVERY team wants. Winning is by the team collectively. Our goaltending was atrocious, and continues to be, DJ didn't do anything to teach this team defense. They are a work in progress even under Green. My point is culture shifts take time and a single player can't change that always.