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Who else would they have made C, Chabot? He was criticized even back then for this D-zone play. Brady was young, and unproven but had the highest upside there was no other choice, to be honest. Can you blame Brady for Dorion giving him the C? Dorion was trying to keep his job.


the hindsight right answer is obviously no one. or some placeholder vet.

Brady wasn't ready for a C then and he isn't ready now.

and like i said they made it " Brady's team" so obviously Brady would get the C, not to mention it was something he thought already belonged to him.

But is it a good thing for the team to be "Brady's team"? Brady should be the 3rd-4th best on a team, he shouldn't be the focal point, he shouldn't have to have the pressure of being the C, frankly he isn't good enough player or emotionally mature enough.

Alfredsson, Spezza, Karlsson, Stone, Brady.

One sticks out.
 
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I don't know why he's considered such a tremendous leader and not expendable on a team that can't win. It's certainly not his fault as a singular thing, and he does display certain qualities, and is a good player on the ice, but doesn't that sort of bring in to question the effect of this unicorn captain? Wins are ultimately the measure and if this ends as another losing season, I say all bets are off. Every corner should be analyzed for potential change.
 
I would not move Brady, that’s crazy talk.
Who would you start with?

I assume our most valuable pieces would be Sanderson, Stutzle, Brady and Batherson. I don't expect we'd get much of value for Norris or Chabot, and I'd keep Sandy and Stutzle over Brady, so it leaves Batherson. Wonder what his value around the league would be since he doesn't have a ton of term left at this point. Other possible valuable pieces could be Pinto and Grieg.
 
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the hindsight right answer is obviously no one. or some placeholder vet.

Brady wasn't ready for a C then and he isn't ready now.

and like i said they made it " Brady's team" so obviously Brady would get the C, not to mention it was something he thought already belonged to him.

But is it a good thing for the team to be "Brady's team"? Brady should be the 3rd-4th best on a team, he shouldn't be the focal point, he shouldn't have to have the pressure of being the C, frankly he isn't good enough player or emotionally mature enough.

Alfredsson, Spezza, Karlsson, Stone, Brady.

One sticks out.
As much as I agree with the notion that Brady wasn't ready for the C, Spezza wasn't captain material either.

He literally couldn't/didn't want to deal with the pressure and was okay to be moved, he had a very talented roster plus prime EK, but he couldn't get the team into the playoffs. We had good goaltending, depth, and a good variety of vets and young guys but that 2013-14 season was pathetic.

I've got Brady above Spezza, granted its because Spezza dropped the bar kinda low
 
it's not that trading brady is the solution it's more that the return from trading brady could be a bigger and better solution. those other 10 moves you are going to do aren't going to bring in much.

Stutzle has been the only good forward on the team this year.



lets not ignore that Brady essentially used the C as leverage to get a bigger contract. A C he didn't even have at that point.
100% on the last part.
 
I think Buffalo would do Quinn + Peterka for Brady, maybe they even add more pieces.

Like does that not make the team better? We get young competitive players who have 30-40 goal upside and we save money. that;s adding 3 players for 1.

I bet there are other deals out there like this.
 
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Brady just watched his brother escape small town Canada and win a cup within a couple years in a no tax state with amazing weather.

I think once his brother won a cup the clock started ticking. Won't be willing to tolerate failure for much longer. Already been 7 years in the league for him without seeing playoff hockey.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he wants out if we miss the post-season again. Question is whether he'd make that clear prior to his NMC kicking in or only afterwards when he'd get to pick his destination.

Discussing this hypothetical doesn't mean anyone necessarily wants Brady to be traded. As Gil points out, we may not have much of a choice in the matter.
 
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As much as I agree with the notion that Brady wasn't ready for the C, Spezza wasn't captain material either.

He literally couldn't/didn't want to deal with the pressure and was okay to be moved, he had a very talented roster plus prime EK, but he couldn't get the team into the playoffs. We had good goaltending, depth, and a good variety of vets and young guys but that 2013-14 season was pathetic.

I've got Brady above Spezza, granted its because Spezza dropped the bar kinda low

True but 2011 Spezza was a beast and then he got injured. And Spezza had sorta been the whipping boy for a while because he wasn't Getzlaf or something, despite the team having success with him being one of the big dogs.

Contrast how Spezza and Brady are treated. Contrast how much success we had under either.

One is treated like he is a superstar and the best legendary captain while the other is made fun of. Yet the latter could carry his line and the team, led the playoffs in scoring and the former has led the team to zero success.
 
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I think Buffalo would do Quinn + Peterka for Brady, maybe they even add more pieces.

Like does that not make the team better? We get young competitive players who have 30-40 goal upside and we save money. that;s adding 3 players for 1.

I bet there are other deals out there like this.

I think any team that would offer the massive value required to be top bidder for a premier powerforward like Brady would only be doing so if the chance he re-signs in 2028 is very high.

Doubt Buffalo is a place Brady would want to stay long-term. They are even more of a disaster franchise than we are :laugh:
 
Who would you start with?

I assume our most valuable pieces would be Sanderson, Stutzle, Brady and Batherson. I don't expect we'd get much of value for Norris or Chabot, and I'd keep Sandy and Stutzle over Brady, so it leaves Batherson. Wonder what his value around the league would be since he doesn't have a ton of term left at this point. Other possible valuable pieces could be Pinto and Grieg.
ATM Zub, the concussions concerns me,
But want to see how year plays out.
 
I think any team that would offer the massive value required to be top bidder for a premier powerforward like Brady would only be doing so if the chance he re-signs in 2028 is very high.

Doubt Buffalo is a place Brady would want to stay long-term. They are even more of a disaster franchise than we are :laugh:

That is 4 years away though, and they obviously need to get over the hump NOW as much as us. So 4 years is a lot of hockey.

But it highlights how screwed we could be when Brady gets into his NMC years.
 
Staios has traded draft picks: a 3rd round pick & Joseph for "nothing"!
Staios has hired slow vets: Perron and Amadio

The reason he brought in veterans and tried to make as much of a wholesale change of the roster as he could was I assume to combat the exact thing that people are complaining about in multiple threads, the lack of professional preparedness and compete.

You also have to look at his moves in totality. Gregor and Gaudette have both been positive depth players. Jensen was a homerun.

As far as Perron goes, I wouldn't expect him to live up to his contract because we clearly overpaid to attract him, but I also don't think it's fair to judge his play so far when we know what was going on off the ice with his family.

I think that if Ullmark can get to where he is supposed to be, that given the lack of cap flexibility and complete lack of assets that Staios had to work with, he did a reasonable job re-tooling the roster. The problem is that it's not an overnight thing to fix. A few veterans playing 3rd line minutes aren't going to come in, and change the viewpoint of the superstars we have.

Obviously if this is the Ullmark we acquired, and he is signed for 5 years with a NMC, that's a Matt Murray-tier disaster that could set the team back years.

If anything, I think bringing a veteran like Perron in was more for the next wave who haven't been here long enough to lose their fire, like Pinto. Guys like Chabot and Tkachuk in this environment might be toxic now. They might legitimately need a change of scenery where they aren't the headliners on a team and are in a completely new environment with different hard norms established.

I don't think we're going for a full scale rebuild, but if we miss the playoffs again it would shock me if Tkachuk is still here by July 1st. I think we will slowly try to move out the core Dorion built and build around the next wave of Stutzle/Sanderson/Pinto/Yak.
 
I would not move Brady, that’s crazy talk.
Exactly...he is the last player we should even ponder trading. It is crazy talk because if we did we would become the softest team to play against, and you would have to replace his hitting and fighting and point a game pace. You would lose that trade every time.
There are many no shows on this team this year. He is not one of them.
 
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Brady just watched his brother escape small town Canada and win a cup within a couple years in a no tax state with amazing weather.

I think once his brother won a cup the clock started ticking. Won't be willing to tolerate failure for much longer. Already been 7 years in the league for him without seeing playoff hockey.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he wants out if we miss the post-season again. Question is whether he'd make that clear prior to his NMC kicking in or only afterwards when he'd get to pick his destination.

Discussing this hypothetical doesn't mean anyone necessarily wants Brady to be traded. As Gil points out, we may not have much of a choice in the matter.
I don't know, Brady isn't Matthew. Brady has always preached not turning your back when you face adversity, so unless you think he's full of shit, then he doesn't seem like he has any intention of leaving Ottawa while under contract.

It's a completely different circumstance than Matthew in Calgary. Brady is the captain of this team and surrounded by some of his closest friends as teammates. Matthew was a secondary player for Calgary and reportedly rubbed some of his teammates the wrong way with his play on the ice.
 
Why the hell would Ottawa trade the best player on their team, their captain & the guy who has led this team in scoring for 4 of the last 5 yrs? This makes no sense they have been trying to get a player like Tkachuk since the Gary Roberts days, that is how long it takes to get this kind of player & people want to move him for what exactly? You will never get the same kind of player back, Tkachuk scores, he is a very good playmaker, he hits, he fights & if not for him a lot more guys will go after Stutzle. How is another small soft player going to help this team given what we see in every playoff series? :banghead::facepalm:
He doesn’t play defence. Likely not capable.
Doesn’t take over shifts regularly and makes 8 million dollars
 
the hindsight right answer is obviously no one. or some placeholder vet.

Brady wasn't ready for a C then and he isn't ready now.

and like i said they made it " Brady's team" so obviously Brady would get the C, not to mention it was something he thought already belonged to him.

But is it a good thing for the team to be "Brady's team"? Brady should be the 3rd-4th best on a team, he shouldn't be the focal point, he shouldn't have to have the pressure of being the C, frankly he isn't good enough player or emotionally mature enough.

Alfredsson, Spezza, Karlsson, Stone, Brady.

One sticks out.
Stone was captain?
 
Exactly...he is the last player we should even ponder trading. It is crazy talk because if we did we would become the softest team to play against, and you would have to replace his hitting and fighting and point a game pace. You would lose that trade every time.
There are many no shows on this team this year. He is not one of them.

Right now, we are a very soft team to play against. We have been for years. Brady hasn't changed that, even with the fights or tantrums at the end of games.

The Carolina Hurricanes are a hard team to play against. Who's their Brady Tkachuk? They don't have one, but they have a bunch of guys who never stop moving their feet and come at you shift after shift, even in their own end.
 
Right now, we are a very soft team to play against. We have been for years. Brady hasn't changed that, even with the fights or tantrums at the end of games.

The Carolina Hurricanes are a hard team to play against. Who's their Brady Tkachuk? They don't have one, but they have a bunch of guys who never stop moving their feet, even in their own end.
yeah we have a lot of gliders and guys that defend at the end of their sticks. Looking for any opportunity to blow the d zone. I wonder what they say when they watch the tape the next day
 
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achuk + Pinto for Dobson Wahlstrom a first (maybe get Pageau in there somehow)
Norris for Karlsson
Something around Tkachuk and Rantanen
Chabot
Tkachuk for one of the NJ defenders

I don’t know but I feel like we might see some movement before Christmas for one of these guys. I see Stutzle and Sanderson the only ones still around it’s pretty apparent this iteration of the team isn’t going to work. Too much Dorionist influence in the team

what would it take to get Mctavish home
Probably Brady. But I don’t know if he’d go there with how shit the Ducks are
 
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