Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Cosmix]

I think the blocking a trade to Detroit thing is that he had a NMC until July 1st that became a partial NTC on July 1st.

I think people are implying that because he knew Rangers and Detroit were talking, he deliberately put Detroit on his list when he had to submit it.

It would be best if people would stick to the "facts" and not paraphrase and imply (guess), resulting in irrational behaviours (anger).

 

[ChurchOfAlfie]

Finding it real difficult to care about this trade one way or another.

 

[Cosmix]

The first year of the contract will be two-way, while the second year will be one-way. The contract is worth $775,000 in the NHL and $225,000 in the AHL.

Standing 'Gaard | Ottawa Senators

The Ottawa Senators sign goaltender Mads Sogaard to a two-year deal.

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Here is our backup goaltender in 2025-26; goodbye Forsberg!

 

[OgieO]

Finding it real difficult to care about this trade one way or another.

I think that's the best outlook actually lol. Unless you are a big Belleville fan.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

IMO this is about getting value for a guy who will miss camp, start his year in the AHL and require waivers the following year (i.e he likely only has 1 training camp left before he needs to clear waivers)

Bourgault has an extra year of waiver eligibility and will have three camps to compete for a job before waivers become a factor

 

[bert]

Here is our backup goaltender in 2025-26; goodbye Forsberg!

He has a very long way to go to be an NHL back up based on what I have watched. Yeah guess thats it for Forsberg.

 

[bicboi64]

Sogaard is only getting games if one of Ullmark or Forsberg gets injured. Will be a good developmental opportunity for him and looking forward to seeing if he can make Forsberg expendable (assuming that doesn't hinder Ullmark's extension)

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Here is our backup goaltender in 2025-26; goodbye Forsberg!

I doubt we would run it back with Forsberg if we didnt think he could be a competent NHL goalie… something he has shown he can be far, far more than Sogaard has.

Forsberg will have an opportunity to show that he can get back to his previous level and if he does, we will do what we can to keep him around as backup

 

[Golden_Jet]

I doubt we would run it back with Forsberg if we didnt think he could be a competent NHL goalie… something he has shown he can be far, far more than Sogaard has.

Forsberg will have an opportunity to show that he can get back to his previous level and if he does, we will do what we can to keep him around as backup

Ya and Soogard would need to clear waivers next year I think, so would likely be lost.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

It would be best if people would stick to the "facts" and not paraphrase and imply (guess), resulting in irrational behaviours (anger).

Rangers' Jacob Trouba Blocked Trade to Red Wings: Report

Rangers' Jacob Trouba added the Red Wings to his 15-team no-trade list to block a deal according to Emily Kaplan.

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I think it was reported that he blocked a trade.

 

[Senator Stanley]

IMO this is about getting value for a guy who will miss camp, start his year in the AHL and require waivers the following year (i.e he likely only has 1 training camp left before he needs to clear waivers)

Bourgault has an extra year of waiver eligibility and will have three camps to compete for a job before waivers become a factor

Does he? Mind explaining? I would have thought he'd be waivers eligible going into the 2025-26 season, like Jarventie.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Ya and Soogard would need to clear waivers next year I think, so would likely be lost.

It is always possible that he clears next year because he will be on a 1-way contract. For a team to claim him, they need room for a backup goalie in the NHL. They also have to be fine with the idea of paying him 1-way money in the AHL if he doesn't stick and is not claimed by somebody else. During training camp, it is usually easier to pass teams through waivers because there simply aren't spots in the NHL and the amount of players on waivers is very high. Players are usually only claimed because of training camp injuries opening up a need like with Thomson on RHD.

Later in the season it is more difficult for a player to clear because teams have injuries, and there are significantly less players of each position waived.

Daccord is an example of a good young goalie who cleared. That apparently surprised Seattle.

I don't think this contract guarantees that he isn't being shopped. If anything, it might make him easier to trade if a team likes him. Now he is cost controlled for 2-years at league minimum.

 

[Micklebot]

Does he? Mind explaining? I would have thought he'd be waivers eligible going into the 2025-26 season, like Jarventie.

Here's a snip from Cap friendly before it went dark, he has one more exempt season (this one), same as Jarventie.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It is always possible that he clears next year because he will be on a 1-way contract. For a team to claim him, they need room for a backup goalie in the NHL. They also have to be fine with the idea of paying him 1-way money in the AHL if he doesn't stick and is not claimed by somebody else. During training camp, it is usually easier to pass teams through waivers because there simply aren't spots in the NHL and the amount of players on waivers is very high. Players are usually only claimed because of training camp injuries opening up a need like with Thomson on RHD.

Later in the season it is more difficult for a player to clear because teams have injuries, and there are significantly less players of each position waived.

Daccord is an example of a good young goalie who cleared. That apparently surprised Seattle.

I don't think this contract guarantees that he isn't being shopped. If anything, it might make him easier to trade if a team likes him. Now he is cost controlled for 2-years at league minimum.

Likely doesn’t sign without it. So just protecting the asset.

 

[Cosmix]

Here's a snip from Cap friendly before it went dark, he has one more exempt season (this one), same as Jarventie.

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Has anyone heard anything (facts or rumours) about a new site being created to replicate Capfriendly?

 

[Micklebot]

Has anyone heard anything (facts or rumours) about a new site being created to replicate Capfriendly?

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A real-time look at the 2024-25 salary cap totals for each NHL team, including estimated cap space.

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[Sens of Anarchy]

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I'll take that as a "No" lol

 

[Micklebot]

I'll take that as a "No" lol

Capwages seems to have the closest look and feel and appears to be a direct response to Capfriendly being bought.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Here's a snip from Cap friendly before it went dark, he has one more exempt season (this one), same as Jarventie.

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My mistake - so the difference will likely just be that Bourgault will be healthy for this upcoming camp

 

[Micklebot]

My mistake - so the difference will likely just be that Bourgault will be healthy for this upcoming camp

What makes you believe Jarventie won't be ready for camp? His surgery was in Feb, so it will have been 7 or 8 months by the start of camp,

 

[Cosmix]

I'll take that as a "No" lol

Not the same level of detail. Hopefully one or both of them will start copying/replicating what Capfriendly provided. Might take some time to gear up for it.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Not the same level of detail. Hopefully one or both of them will start copying/replicating what Capfriendly provided. Might take some time to gear up for it.

I find Puck Pedia pretty good ... different interface but plenty of detail. CapWages has a similar look and feel to the basics.

For me its the data quality. CapFriendly was the boss. Their data was trusted. I am going with PuckPedia to take the reigns .. now you can look at the CapWages and CapSpace and Puckpedia and get 3 different answers to Cap space. The site called capspace has the Sens at Projected Cap Space: $-8,262,380; CapWages is $2,500,953 and Puckpedia is $1,909,285. So who do we trust? Oddly CapSpace makes no attempt to project a realistic roster and provide the Cap Space. CapWages also has us at 22/23 re the roster and PuckPedia at 21/23. CapWages managed to save capspace with an additional roster player.

Data is King. We need to be able to trust the data

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I wonder if we trade Sogaard now that he is cost controlled? Something like Sogaard to the Kings for Kaliyev.

Kuemper will be almost 38 at the end of his contract. They don't have a goalie of the future that fits with that timeline. Sogaard's contract makes him a good fit there because it gives them 2 years to figure out if he can transition to the NHL and play for them. He is also cost controlled at league minimum.

They have multiple fringe backup goalies this year, so he would have to win the job or start in the AHL, and then become their backup or 1B goalie next year.

I doubt Sogaard has a lot of trade value. We have been tied to Kalieyev, who also likely doesn't have a lot of value. It seems like a fair change of scenery swap. If we intend to sign Ullmark, Sogaard is completely blocked here anyways (if he even puts it together).

 

[Micklebot]

I find Puck Pedia pretty good ... different interface but plenty of detail. CapWages has a similar look and feel to the basics.

For me its the data quality. CapFriendly was the boss. Their data was trusted. I am going with PuckPedia to take the reigns .. now you can look at the CapWages and CapSpace and Puckpedia and get 3 different answers to Cap space. The site called capspace has the Sens at Projected Cap Space: $-8,262,380; CapWages is $2,500,953 and Puckpedia is $1,909,285. So who do we trust? Oddly CapSpace makes no attempt to project a realistic roster and provide the Cap Space. CapWages also has us at 22/23 re the roster and PuckPedia at 21/23. CapWages managed to save capspace with an additional roster player.

Data is King. We need to be able to trust the data

At this time of year, it's tough. You have to make a decision on who is and isn't part of the projected roster.

Capwages for example, decided to fill out a 23 man roster with Roos, Gaudette and Hodgeson on the roster. Basically filling out the roster with the cheapest options

Puckpedia includes Crookshank and Kleven but only has a 21 man roster, perhaps making a judgement call on what the roster will likely look like.

Cap Spaces inexplicably has a 27 man roster with everyone under the sun...

 

[PlayOn]

I wonder if we trade Sogaard now that he is cost controlled? Something like Sogaard to the Kings for Kaliyev.

Kuemper will be almost 38 at the end of his contract. They don't have a goalie of the future that fits with that timeline. Sogaard's contract makes him a good fit there because it gives them 2 years to figure out if he can transition to the NHL and play for them. He is also cost controlled at league minimum.

They have multiple fringe backup goalies this year, so he would have to win the job or start in the AHL, and then become their backup or 1B goalie next year.

I doubt Sogaard has a lot of trade value. We have been tied to Kalieyev, who also likely doesn't have a lot of value. It seems like a fair change of scenery swap. If we intend to sign Ullmark, Sogaard is completely blocked here anyways (if he even puts it together).

I don’t see how Sogaard is blocked by Ullmark. Being a back-up for your first 2-3 seasons in the NHL is reasonable and probably preferable. It allows him to develop without the pressure of being the #1. By the time he’s theoretically ready to take the reins, Ullmark would be 34-35 years old. Then he backs up Sogaard for the last ~2 years of his deal, or you move him if Sogaard is really THAT good by then.

If LA wants to give us Kaliyev for a mid pick, then sure. We don’t need him, I’d certainly rather keep Sogaard as if he does pan out it gives us a goalie post-Ullmark.

I have my doubts on Sogaard but Kaliyev is not the player I’m moving him for. It’s sort of a waste.