Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Senscore]

All our guys cleared, we claimed no one

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

All our guys cleared, we claimed no one

It is possible that we put in a claim on a player who was claimed by a team higher in the priority order.

It wouldn't surprise me if we put in a claim on Reimer. He was good last season and he lost the NHL spot to a top young goalie. We could fit in his cap hit by burying Forsberg.

Anaheim claimed him, and they were higher in the priority order than us.

The other factor is that it is possible that we still acquire one of the LHD who were available. We might prefer to trade for them after they clear waivers, because that gives us the flexibility to move them between the AHL and NHL for a set period of time without losing them. It wouldn't surprise me to see us give up something like a 7th, or one of our waiver exempt fringe NHL forwards.

 

[Senscore]

It is possible that we put in a claim on a player who was claimed by a team higher in the priority order.

It wouldn't surprise me if we put in a claim on Reimer. He was good last season and he lost the NHL spot to a top young goalie. We could fit in his cap hit by burying Forsberg.

Anaheim claimed him, and they were higher in the priority order than us.

The other factor is that it is possible that we still acquire one of the LHD who were available. We might prefer to trade for them after they clear waivers, because that gives us the flexibility to move them between the AHL and NHL for a set period of time without losing them. It wouldn't surprise me to see us give up something like a 7th, or one of our waiver exempt fringe NHL forwards.

We did not successfully claim anyone

 

[Golden_Jet]

It is possible that we put in a claim on a player who was claimed by a team higher in the priority order.

It wouldn't surprise me if we put in a claim on Reimer. He was good last season and he lost the NHL spot to a top young goalie. We could fit in his cap hit by burying Forsberg.

Anaheim claimed him, and they were higher in the priority order than us.

The other factor is that it is possible that we still acquire one of the LHD who were available. We might prefer to trade for them after they clear waivers, because that gives us the flexibility to move them between the AHL and NHL for a set period of time without losing them. It wouldn't surprise me to see us give up something like a 7th, or one of our waiver exempt fringe NHL forwards.

I didn’t think there would be any claims, when looking at cap room currently.

 

[Micklebot]

It is possible that we put in a claim on a player who was claimed by a team higher in the priority order.

It wouldn't surprise me if we put in a claim on Reimer. He was good last season and he lost the NHL spot to a top young goalie. We could fit in his cap hit by burying Forsberg.

Anaheim claimed him, and they were higher in the priority order than us.

The other factor is that it is possible that we still acquire one of the LHD who were available. We might prefer to trade for them after they clear waivers, because that gives us the flexibility to move them between the AHL and NHL for a set period of time without losing them. It wouldn't surprise me to see us give up something like a 7th, or one of our waiver exempt fringe NHL forwards.

How does claiming someone work if you don't have the capspace to fit them in? Do you get the opportunity to waive someone if your claim is successful, or do you need to pre-clear?

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

How does claiming someone work if you don't have the capspace to fit them in? Do you get the opportunity to waive someone if your claim is successful, or do you need to pre-clear?

For today, rosters have to be submitted by 5PM.

So using the Reimer example, they could have waived Forsberg after acquiring Reimer.

I'm fairly certain that teams can do offsetting moves in season (send 775k down after claiming 775k), but I am not entirely certain.

 

[Senator Stanley]

For today, rosters have to be submitted by 5PM.

So using the Reimer example, they could have waived Forsberg after acquiring Reimer.

I'm fairly certain that teams can do offsetting moves in season (send 775k down after claiming 775k), but I am not entirely certain.

I'm not entirely certain, either, but I don't think a team can do offsetting moves like that, because a player you claim immediately goes onto your cap, while the player you're waiving stays on your cap while they go through the waiver process. So for at least a 24 period, you're carrying both cap hits.

 

[Micklebot]

I'm not entirely certain, either, but I don't think a team can do offsetting moves like that, because a player you claim immediately goes onto your cap, while the player you're waiving stays on your cap while they go through the waiver process. So for at least a 24 period, you're carrying both cap hits.

I guess it boils down to what is the penalty for going over the cap, and when your daily cap hit calculated.

Does waiving someone immediately remove them from your cap, or are they only removed 24 hours later when a claim is made or they are assigned to the AHL (I assume the later because you can waive someone then not send them down).

If you are over the cap, what happens, do you forfeit games until compliant, if so, what if you don't play that day? Alternatively, you might just be blocked from any transactions that put you over the cap, so no making claims...

 

[Golden_Jet]

I guess it boils down to what is the penalty for going over the cap, and when your daily cap hit calculated.

Does waiving someone immediately remove them from your cap, or are they only removed 24 hours later when a claim is made or they are assigned to the AHL (I assume the later because you can waive someone then not send them down).

If you are over the cap, what happens, do you forfeit games until compliant, if so, what if you don't play that day? Alternatively, you might just be blocked from any transactions that put you over the cap, so no making claims...

you just can’t be over, play short for a game, I thought the Sens did that last year.

I assume after the 24 hour window

 

[aragorn]

Erik Brannstrom piling up the frequent flyer miles.

 

[Hale The Villain]

If we're going to go with one spare on D to leave a bit of room for bonus overages (unlike last year, which resulted in a 850k hit for 24/25), it'd be smart to add insurance on D in Belleville.

Staios did a great job building up the forward depth, to the point where we just sent down several players more than capable of playing a 4th line role, but the depth on D is absolutely terrible.

Roos showed in the pre-season that he should be nowhere near an NHL roster, same goes for Davies. There's no good LD capable of stepping up if one of Sandy/Chabot/Kleven gets injured, and it's not like moving JBD/Hamonic over to the right side would be a solution.

If I'm Staios I'm shopping around a forward like Crookshank for a decent LD. Depending on Andlauer's comfort with paying 1-way money for an AHLer, I'd even be looking at some of the guys that just went through waivers (Branny, Bolduc, Moverare, etc...).

 

[GCK]

If we're going to go with one spare on D to leave a bit of room for bonus overages (unlike last year, which resulted in a 850k hit for 24/25), it'd be smart to add insurance on D in Belleville.

Staios did a great job building up the forward depth, to the point where we just sent down several players more than capable of playing a 4th line role, but the depth on D is absolutely terrible.

Roos showed in the pre-season that he should be nowhere near an NHL roster, same goes for Davies. There's no good LD capable of stepping up if one of Sandy/Chabot/Kleven gets injured, and it's not like moving JBD/Hamonic over to the right side would be a solution.

If I'm Staios I'm shopping around a forward like Crookshank for a decent LD. Depending on Andlauer's comfort with paying 1-way money for an AHLer, I'd even be looking at some of the guys that just went through waivers (Branny, Bolduc, Moverare, etc...).

I expect a minor league deal for a LD now that everyone has passed through waivers.

Maybe Crooker is the trade piece.

 

[bert]

He would definitely fit the template of what the Sens front office wants.

Id take him in a heart beat. He has good puck skills and passing for such a physical force. Perfect bottom pair d man.

If we're going to go with one spare on D to leave a bit of room for bonus overages (unlike last year, which resulted in a 850k hit for 24/25), it'd be smart to add insurance on D in Belleville.

Staios did a great job building up the forward depth, to the point where we just sent down several players more than capable of playing a 4th line role, but the depth on D is absolutely terrible.

Roos showed in the pre-season that he should be nowhere near an NHL roster, same goes for Davies. There's no good LD capable of stepping up if one of Sandy/Chabot/Kleven gets injured, and it's not like moving JBD/Hamonic over to the right side would be a solution.

If I'm Staios I'm shopping around a forward like Crookshank for a decent LD. Depending on Andlauer's comfort with paying 1-way money for an AHLer, I'd even be looking at some of the guys that just went through waivers (Branny, Bolduc, Moverare, etc...).

Crookshank has 0 value. Phillips was a good option on d for waivers.

 

[Cosmix]

Erik Brannstrom piling up the frequent flyer miles.

Acquired by Vancouver via trade with Colorado on Sunday and then put on and cleared waivers.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Crookshank has 0 value. Phillips was a good option on d for waivers.

If by 0 value you mean not even having the value of a 7th round pick, I agree with you.

But D with 1-way contracts in the AHL probably don't have any value either. In fact, teams that actual have decent D depth would probably be happy to save several hundred thousand dollars by trading them for a two-way contract like Crookshank who only makes 120k in the AHL, or even just for future considerations.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

If any team out there likes Brannstrom, they probably trade for him rather than claim him. He is more valuable now than he was yesterday, because he is now waiver exempt for 10 games/30 days. He can be a solid #8 type option who can be buried between assignments.

With that said, most teams don't like paying players 1-way money to play in the AHL. So until someone really needs a defenseman, he is probably staying put.

 

[bert]

If any team out there likes Brannstrom, they probably trade for him rather than claim him. He is more valuable now than he was yesterday, because he is now waiver exempt for 10 games/30 days. He can be a solid #8 type option who can be buried between assignments.

With that said, most teams don't like paying players 1-way money to play in the AHL. So until someone really needs a defenseman, he is probably staying put.

He has 0 value. No one is trading for him. He was just immediately waived and not picked up.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Looks like it'll be Wolanin and Brannstrom in the AHL together with Vancouver's affiliate. Maybe the two ex Sens can carve out an AHL career together.

Great options for their AHL team though. You'd like to win there too

 

[Burrowsaurus]

He has 0 value. No one is trading for him. He was just immediately waived and not picked up.

You see players not get picked up and then traded all the time. You also see teams give up future considerations for players all the time.

0 value and “went through waivers” are not the same

 

[bert]

You see players not get picked up and then traded all the time. You also see teams give up future considerations for players all the time.

0 value and “went through waivers” are not the same

Actually this is the very definition of 0 value. The sens couldn't get anything for him last year. Then they didn't qualify him, then every team in the league has a chance to sign him. One team did for league minimum he got cut didn't make that team was traded for cap space then waived and no one else wanted him. But yeah sure he has value. Lol.

 

[Micklebot]

You see players not get picked up and then traded all the time. You also see teams give up future considerations for players all the time.

0 value and “went through waivers” are not the same

If nobody is willing to take him for free to be on their roster doesn't mean no value, what does?

He has a close to league min deal and nobody in the league wants him even as their 7/8.

All 32 teams thought they had 7 guys better than him, and didn't see enough potential to beat out Vancouver's offer of a 2.5 mil cap dump who will never play and a 4th.

 

[OD99]

If we're going to go with one spare on D to leave a bit of room for bonus overages (unlike last year, which resulted in a 850k hit for 24/25), it'd be smart to add insurance on D in Belleville.

Staios did a great job building up the forward depth, to the point where we just sent down several players more than capable of playing a 4th line role, but the depth on D is absolutely terrible.

Roos showed in the pre-season that he should be nowhere near an NHL roster, same goes for Davies. There's no good LD capable of stepping up if one of Sandy/Chabot/Kleven gets injured, and it's not like moving JBD/Hamonic over to the right side would be a solution.

If I'm Staios I'm shopping around a forward like Crookshank for a decent LD. Depending on Andlauer's comfort with paying 1-way money for an AHLer, I'd even be looking at some of the guys that just went through waivers (Branny, Bolduc, Moverare, etc...).

Sebrango looked like he could be a short term replacement, but you are right about not having anyone to really fill the void.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

If nobody is willing to take him for free to be on their roster doesn't mean no value, what does?

He has a close to league min deal and nobody in the league wants him even as their 7/8.

All 32 teams thought they had 7 guys better than him, and didn't see enough potential to beat out Vancouver's offer of a 2.5 mil cap dump who will never play and a 4th.

What do you think happens when a player goes through waivers and then in trades for like a week later.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Actually this is the very definition of 0 value. The sens couldn't get anything for him last year. Then they didn't qualify him, then every team in the league has a chance to sign him. One team did for league minimum he got cut didn't make that team was traded for cap space then waived and no one else wanted him. But yeah sure he has value. Lol.

So he was traded. He had value

 

[Micklebot]

So he was traded. He had value

He was the return on a cap dump, his value is equivalent to a guy that Vancouver was paying to get rid of, so negative?

At best, he was a body for the purpose of contract numbers.