Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[DJB]

Rah rah types are the most overrated f***s if they don't follow through with their on ice actions and on ice leadership.

And come on Sanderson is the most composed, doesn't cheat or throw hissy fits because something didn't go his way, is always dialed in and focused, always gives an honest effort defensively even though he has elite offensive talent, could go on and on.

I wouldn’t consider Matthews and Marner great leaders and they are similar to what you are describing.

However most consider Messier and Dale Hunter amazing captains and they weren’t exactly as what you have written either

 

[SensFactor]

I'd be happy with 6.5M x 4 years for Ullmark.

 

[JackieDaytona]

Bruce said if there was a gun to his head, he’d think the Sens will still be picking at 7.

Maybe I've been living in the US too long, but I think this would be an awesome addition to Question Period on TSN next season.

Claire Hanna asks a pointed question to Brucie, then slowly extends a handgun barrel right between BooBoo's squinty eyes while he answers. If she doesn't like his answer, she shakes the gun and makes him sputter some more nonsense. If she thinks his answer is sufficient, she slowly draws the gun back as she asks the next question.

I'll get started on the email to BellMedia.

 

[Tuna99]

League executives told Postmedia on the weekend that Staios is seeking a first-round and second-round pick in exchange for Chychrun or a first-round selection with a high-end prospect.

Senators GM Steve Staios sets up shop in Vegas as busy draft week begins

Steve Staios and the Ottawa Senators set up shop Monday in Las Vegas. Now, it's time to get down to business.

ottawacitizen.com

Kind of conflicts with the Chychrun for Ullmark stuff.

i think the 3 way people are talking about will be

Ott: Ulmark
Chi: Chychryn
Bos: 18th overall

 

[Micklebot]

I'd honestly be shocked if it's less than say, 6.8 mil. He signed for 5 mil per year 3 years ago, since then he's won a Vezina and the cap is will be around 93 mil when the extension will kick in. That's a pretty modest raise IMO.

Well, it has to recognize that he's getting older, and won't be in his prime anymore by the time the deal is in it's final years.
something like 9, 7, 6.5, 5, 4.5 would come in at 6.4 mil x 5 years, would give him a significant raise over the 4.5 he made in the last year of his current deal for the first three seasons, and recognize the typical progression of a goalie as they age.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I wouldn’t consider Matthews and Marner great leaders and they are similar to what you are describing.

However most consider Messier and Dale Hunter amazing captains and they weren’t exactly as what you have written either

Messier didn't lead by example and Marner does? What.

Any leader who doesn't lead by example as a base is a bad leader.

Messier didn't lead by example in his Vancouver stint and by all accounts he was a terrible leader there.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I’m guessing the league is telling teams to hold off on any announcements today?

Lalimes Martian actually said this

Messier didn't lead by example and Marner does? What.

Any leader who doesn't lead by example as a base is a bad leader.

Messier didn't lead by example in his Vancouver stint and by all accounts he was a terrible leader there.

This whole “good leader bad leader” thing is overblown.


Messier is seen as a good leader because he won cups and he made a guarentee and followed through on it.

This isn’t war. They shoot around a puck and get paid millions of dollars to do it.

They’re all privileged white boys lol. There’s no ruthless leader of men among them.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I'd be happy with 6.5M x 4 years for Ullmark.

We all would. Unfortunately the 'rumour' is he wants a 35 mil contract

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Lalimes Martian actually said this


This whole “good leader bad leader” thing is overblown.


Messier is seen as a good leader because he won cups and he made a guarentee and followed through on it.

This isn’t war. They shoot around a puck and get paid millions of dollars to do it.

They’re all privileged white boys lol. There’s no ruthless leader of men among them.

I agree. Be on a winning team and you're often labelled a winner and/or a leader. Losing team and it's the opposite. So much nuance in there it's unfair labels a lot of the time.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

A number of the older UFAs have direct ties to Sens management or coaching staff.

Jack Johnson (Martin and Bowness), Cal Clutterbuck (Yeo), Kyle Okoposo (Staios), Pat Maroon (Yeo and Dimaio), David Perron (Yeo and Dimaio), Kevin Shattenkirk (Yeo and Dimaio), Brendan Smith (Green and Martin), Robert Bortuzzo (Yeo and Dimaio), James Van Riemsdyck (Yeo), Matt Martin (Staios), Chris Tanev (Green, Yeo, Baumgartner), Tyler Myers (Green, Yeo, Baumgartner), Tyler Toffoli (Green), Matt Dumba (Yeo), Shayne Gostisbehere (Yeo)

 

[Gil Gunderson]

We all would. Unfortunately the 'rumour' is he wants a 35 mil contract

Was it Bruce that originally said the 35 mil? Now he’s just saying “north of 6 mil” AAV.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Was it Bruce that originally said the 35 mil? Now he’s just saying “north of 6 mil” AAV.

I think it originally came from Dominic Tiano, who has been posting on the Bruins board. Take it for what it's worth. "North of 6" is a pretty safe bet for Bruce.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1804500685767020938

 

[DJB]

Messier didn't lead by example and Marner does? What.

Any leader who doesn't lead by example as a base is a bad leader.

Messier didn't lead by example in his Vancouver stint and by all accounts he was a terrible leader there.

Maybe you are too young but Messier was an amazing on ice leader in Edmonton

 

[Crosside]

David Perron come on down

 

[GCK]

1. It's not an overpay, Marino is a top 4 D with term.
2. Marino is a defensive defenseman, exactly what we need.

He’s really not very good.

 

[SensFactor]

Bruce Garrioch update with LOS

Starts at: 12:58

 

[DJB]

Bruce Garrioch update with LOS

Starts at: 12:58

Anyone have cliff notes? Bruce is awful to listen to.

 

[Senscore]

David Perron come on down

 

[Icelevel]

Anyone have cliff notes? Bruce is awful to listen to?

It was actually a fun one.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

i think the 3 way people are talking about will be

Ott: Ulmark
Chi: Chychryn
Bos: 18th overall

Makes absolutely no sense for Hawks

Not happening

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Maybe you are too young but Messier was an amazing on ice leader in Edmonton

That's What I'm saying. Messier led by example in Edmonton and was an amazing leader.

In Vancouver he didn't lead by example.

What you do and What example you set on the ice is the most important thing.

 

[JungleBeat]

Brady (C) - Crushing beers at divisional rivals games. Hyperfocused on other players contract extensions. Can't control emotions when losing games. Calls out fans.

Chabot (A) - Lacks intensity. Collected his cheque and doesn't seem to care.

Giroux (A) - Came back home on his way to retirement. Mailed it in second have of the seaon.


These are your Sens "leaders". Not hard to realize why this team is a gongshow.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I can't see Chychrun extending in Chicago. He only played in the playoffs once in 9 seasons. There will come a day that playing in Chicago is attractive because of Bedard, young stars, and it being a big US market - but that is still a few years away. There is a reason they had to overpay to attract all those veteran players last year. That reason is that the rebuild is still in it's infancy. That hasn't changed in one season.

If we're hearing a futures based price for Chychrun, I suspect:

1. We're forming backup plans in case the Bruins trade falls through.
2. It's a strategic leak to make fans perceive that we assigned a reasonable value to Chychrun. As in, if we have to add a 1st and another piece to Chychrun to get Ullmark, your average fan is going to think we didn't understand Chychrun's value, rather than Ullmark was worth multiple 1st round picks.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Maybe I've been living in the US too long, but I think this would be an awesome addition to Question Period on TSN next season.

Claire Hanna asks a pointed question to Brucie, then slowly extends a handgun barrel right between BooBoo's squinty eyes while he answers. If she doesn't like his answer, she shakes the gun and makes him sputter some more nonsense. If she thinks his answer is sufficient, she slowly draws the gun back as she asks the next question.

I'll get started on the email to BellMedia.

I do not think TSN executives would be able to produce a segment where they threaten the life of an on air personality. Odds are that their legal and HR department would shut down any sort of attempt. Not to mention, Claire Hanna seems really nice and gun culture isn't a big thing in Canada. I can't see her being comfortable with threatening the life of a colleague just to get to the bottom of questions that in the grand scheme of things, aren't as important as the life of a man.

Perhaps we could have a dunk tank. I think that would be more appropriate. I think Bruce would enjoy how fun and wacky it is. I understand that a fear of getting wet may not be sufficient enough to get to the bottom of whether Mark Kastalic deserves a 1-way contract or should be traded, but it might make for good TV.

 

[Cosmix]

And kastelic stayed out or came back out on to the ice semi dressed and worked on things or tried to reset himself.
I thought it worked. Showed he cares and wants to improve.
6’4” and can drive the net and out muscle opponents if he wants to and can drop the gloves and handle himself well.
Again we have no one else like this for the bottom 6.

I agree.

Ithink the entire team including Kastelic needs some effective coaching to get the best out of him, including clearly defining his role on the team. Given his limited skill set, he must play "big" all the time and hit everyone including any opponent team's top players if they are put out against him (away games). Either that or we replace him with someone else who can do that or can play a strong disciplined defensive game against top players.

I think he is improving so I am ok with him coming back next season. I think he is coachable.