Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[frightenedinmatenum2]

The point of this is not to construct an exciting or even a great roster. It's to take some of the random ideas, player names, rumours, and utter BS thrown around in this thread and compile it into one cap compliant roster.

*Note 1: I'm 300k over. Free agent/RFA contracts were just ballpark numbers, so it would be easy enough to say Kaliyev signs for 900k, Pinto at 2.8M, etc. Armchair GM doesn't let you edit cap hits after you "sign" players and I'm not redoing this just to shave off 300k.

**Note 2: Pacioretty or another 35+ forward signs a 1 year deal at league minimum with performance bonuses at 5 games played. The performance bonuses would roll over to next season and enable us to convince a veteran to sign here.

***Note 3: Tanev gets 3-4 years of term from us. No one else will match that term. He is 34 now, so in pro hockey terms he will be a corpse in 2 years.

****Note 4: A long-term deal with Pinto doesn't materialize, so they go with a 2 year bridge deal in the high 2Ms or low 3Ms.

*****Note 5: Lines and bottom 6 type roster players are just placeholders to calculate cap. They aren't actual lines. This isn't me saying Kaliyev would play with Norris, etc.

TRADES:

Joseph+Korpisalo for Campbell+Ceci
Edmonton is going to bury Campbell, so they benefit in the short term because Korpisalo has a lower cap hit. They basically trade 1 less year of term for 1M x 3Y of immediate cap relief.

Knight for Forsberg
The assumption is that there is no real market for Knight at 4.5M x 2Y. This trade is more of a cap trade for Florida, but it does get them an NHL backup in Forsberg. Ottawa gamble on Knight's upside.

Kaliyev for one of our failed prospects or a mid round draft pick.
Jarventie? Sokolov? I don't know. Value doesn't matter much in this scenario since the ceiling for what he is worth won't be high.

Chychrun for Jenner
A basic hockey trade. It gets us a veteran forward with 2 years of term who can play in our top 6. Columbus needs to reshape their roster. While Jenner has value, this isn't like a scenario where they give up multiple 1st round picks or future assets for Chychrun. It's 2 years of term for 1 year of term, and if Chychrun doesn't like Columbus, they can flip him in 2025.

 

[Micklebot]

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The point of this is not to construct an exciting or even a great roster. It's to take some of the random ideas, player names, rumours, and utter BS thrown around in this thread and compile it into one cap compliant roster.

*Note 1: I'm 300k over. Free agent/RFA contracts were just ballpark numbers, so it would be easy enough to say Kaliyev signs for 900k, Pinto at 2.8M, etc. Armchair GM doesn't let you edit cap hits after you "sign" players and I'm not redoing this just to shave off 300k.

**Note 2: Pacioretty or another 35+ forward signs a 1 year deal at league minimum with performance bonuses at 5 games played. The performance bonuses would roll over to next season and enable us to convince a veteran to sign here.

***Note 3: Tanev gets 3-4 years of term from us. No one else will match that term. He is 34 now, so in pro hockey terms he will be a corpse in 2 years.

****Note 4: A long-term deal with Pinto doesn't materialize, so they go with a 2 year bridge deal in the high 2Ms or low 3Ms.

*****Note 5: Lines and bottom 6 type roster players are just placeholders to calculate cap. They aren't actual lines. This isn't me saying Kaliyev would play with Norris, etc.

TRADES:

Joseph+Korpisalo for Campbell+Ceci
Edmonton is going to bury Campbell, so they benefit in the short term because Korpisalo has a lower cap hit. They basically trade 1 less year of term for 1M x 3Y of immediate cap relief.

Knight for Forsberg
The assumption is that there is no real market for Knight at 4.5M x 2Y. This trade is more of a cap trade for Florida, but it does get them an NHL backup in Forsberg. Ottawa gamble on Knight's upside.

Kaliyev for one of our failed prospects or a mid round draft pick.
Jarventie? Sokolov? I don't know. Value doesn't matter much in this scenario since the ceiling for what he is worth won't be high.

Chychrun for Jenner
A basic hockey trade. It gets us a veteran forward with 2 years of term who can play in our top 6. Columbus needs to reshape their roster. While Jenner has value, this isn't like a scenario where they give up multiple 1st round picks or future assets for Chychrun. It's 2 years of term for 1 year of term, and if Chychrun doesn't like Columbus, they can flip him in 2025.

I'd pass on the Joseph+Korpisalo for Campbell+Ceci deal and try to sign a guy like Dumba, Myers, Hakanpaa or Lyubushkin instead for that spot. That probably saves a couple mil, which we could use to hopefully get Pinto to sign for a longer term. Then ship Joseph off for futures, I imagine we could get at least a 4th

 

[Golden_Jet]

View attachment 880386

The point of this is not to construct an exciting or even a great roster. It's to take some of the random ideas, player names, rumours, and utter BS thrown around in this thread and compile it into one cap compliant roster.

*Note 1: I'm 300k over. Free agent/RFA contracts were just ballpark numbers, so it would be easy enough to say Kaliyev signs for 900k, Pinto at 2.8M, etc. Armchair GM doesn't let you edit cap hits after you "sign" players and I'm not redoing this just to shave off 300k.

**Note 2: Pacioretty or another 35+ forward signs a 1 year deal at league minimum with performance bonuses at 5 games played. The performance bonuses would roll over to next season and enable us to convince a veteran to sign here.

***Note 3: Tanev gets 3-4 years of term from us. No one else will match that term. He is 34 now, so in pro hockey terms he will be a corpse in 2 years.

****Note 4: A long-term deal with Pinto doesn't materialize, so they go with a 2 year bridge deal in the high 2Ms or low 3Ms.

*****Note 5: Lines and bottom 6 type roster players are just placeholders to calculate cap. They aren't actual lines. This isn't me saying Kaliyev would play with Norris, etc.

TRADES:

Joseph+Korpisalo for Campbell+Ceci
Edmonton is going to bury Campbell, so they benefit in the short term because Korpisalo has a lower cap hit. They basically trade 1 less year of term for 1M x 3Y of immediate cap relief.

Knight for Forsberg
The assumption is that there is no real market for Knight at 4.5M x 2Y. This trade is more of a cap trade for Florida, but it does get them an NHL backup in Forsberg. Ottawa gamble on Knight's upside.

Kaliyev for one of our failed prospects or a mid round draft pick.
Jarventie? Sokolov? I don't know. Value doesn't matter much in this scenario since the ceiling for what he is worth won't be high.

Chychrun for Jenner
A basic hockey trade. It gets us a veteran forward with 2 years of term who can play in our top 6. Columbus needs to reshape their roster. While Jenner has value, this isn't like a scenario where they give up multiple 1st round picks or future assets for Chychrun. It's 2 years of term for 1 year of term, and if Chychrun doesn't like Columbus, they can flip him in 2025.

No one wants Jack Campbell, he’s mentally soft. He just starts crying sometimes.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I'd pass on the Joseph+Korpisalo for Campbell+Ceci deal and try to sign a guy like Dumba, Myers, Hakanpaa or Lyubushkin instead for that spot. That probably saves a couple mil, which we could use to hopefully get Pinto to sign for a longer term. Then ship Joseph off for futures, I imagine we could get at least a 4th

You are correct in theory, but I don't think we will get a comparable RHD on a better contract. I think we could possibly get someone for a few hundred thousand less, but we would have to give them 2-3 years of term.

I also think people are overrating the market for Joseph. I don't think he has the value that I have seen other people throw around here.

I get Ceci is a meme here and everybody doesn't like him, but having him as an 18-19 minute a night luxury in the #5 slot would be excellent. He can slide up to the middle pairing if there are injuries, and gives the team a bit of insurance.

 

[GCK]

Typical homer post. Take off the Sens coloured glasses pal and try to be objective - I know it's hard with how delusional you are.


Career PPG:

Norris 0.67
Zegras 0.73

Doesn't take a genius to figure out that Zegras is more impressive offensively by putting up those numbers with a team that is typically bottom of GFs aside from '22.

Norris is NOT 6'2 at his draft combine he was measured at 6' and looks smaller than that on the ice.l and certainly doesn't play like it.

He was not measured at at 6’ even. Please provide link.

Zegras is softer than soft, is a winger in the NHL. Norris is by far a better hockey player, your wanting Zegras exposes how little you truly understand the game.

 

[ottawagm]

Dorion Reset:

Tkachuk + Korpisalo -> Crouse + Vejmelka/Ingram + 6OA
Chychrun + 25OA -> Laughton + 12OA
Chabot -> Askarov + 22OA
Norris + 12OA -> Jenner + 4OA

20M to go shopping

 

[Golden_Jet]

Dorion Reset:

Tkachuk + Korpisalo -> Crouse + Vejmelka/Ingram + 6OA
Chychrun + 25OA -> Laughton + 12OA
Chabot -> Askarov + 22OA
Norris + 12OA -> Jenner + 4OA

20M to go shopping

how did those go over on NHL24.

 

[Micklebot]

You are correct in theory, but I don't think we will get a comparable RHD on a better contract. I think we could possibly get someone for a few hundred thousand less, but we would have to give them 2-3 years of term.

I also think people are overrating the market for Joseph. I don't think he has the value that I have seen other people throw around here.

I get Ceci is a meme here and everybody doesn't like him, but having him as an 18-19 minute a night luxury in the #5 slot would be excellent. He can slide up to the middle pairing if there are injuries, and gives the team a bit of insurance.

I think Ceci is a bit expensive for that role, but I think Dumba and Myers might come in at around the same price, say 3m, and provide similar results, but without the baggage. Haakapana and Lyubushkin are probably signing for ~1.5 mil saving us a bit more, the other savings being from Korpisalo being 1m cheaper than Campbell.

As for Joseph, I think a midround pick is pretty fair for him, he's a good penalty killer, and brings speed. He;s shown he can play up the lineup in a pinch, and be reasonably effective in the bottom 6 too. I'm happy to keep him, but if you're adding Jenner it gets pretty tight,

 

[Micklebot]

Dorion Reset:

Tkachuk + Korpisalo -> Crouse + Vejmelka/Ingram + 6OA

Why on earth would we trade one of the few things Dorion got right?

Chychrun + 25OA -> Laughton + 12OA

I'd do this, but I don't think the flyers would

Chabot -> Askarov + 22OA

No way Nashville does this

Norris + 12OA -> Jenner + 4OA

Trading Norris while he's recovering from shoulder surgery isn't going to get that kind of return, and it seems based on the assumption that we complete the other deal with the flyers I doubt they'd have any interest in

20M to go shopping

There aren't many LHD on the market right now, its basically Skeij, so if we trade both Chabot and Chychrun, we likely won't be able to fill their spot with a suitable top 4 Dman unless you think Gostibere or OEL are good...

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

No one wants Jack Campbell, he’s mentally soft. He just starts crying sometimes.

I cry when I watch Korpisalo in a Senators uniform.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I cry when I watch Korpisalo in a Senators uniform.

Well then I wouldn’t trade for you either, if you cry,

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Well then I wouldn’t trade for you either, if you cry,

Ha! Excellent rebuttal.

 

[Crosside]

On TSN 690. The guys said is source told him Ottawa will go after Karlsson in a three way deal

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

On TSN 690. The guys said is source told him Ottawa will go after Karlsson in a three way deal

Be more specific, otherwise you're just stirring the soup.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Would anyone get behind a Norris for Mangiapane deal, 1 for 1?

I wanted mangiapane the summer we got debrincat.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

On TSN 690. The guys said is source told him Ottawa will go after Karlsson in a three way deal

Footage of @Agent Zub if that happens:

 

[DJB]

If the rumours about Joseph are true I think it’s a mistake. Hes the one bottom 6 guy we should be keeping not dumping .

 

[GCK]

3 separate trade ideas with Philly assuming we want Laughton. I am not endorsing, just bored.

Joseph + 39OA for Laughton

Chabot for Ristolainen + Laughton

Chychrun + Joseph for Laughton + FLA 1st.

Let the boos rain down.

 

[Icelevel]

If the rumours about Joseph are true I think it’s a mistake. Hes the one bottom 6 guy we should be keeping not dumping .

Because of his inconsistencies and salary it can make sense

I like him but he’s replaceable

 

[Wondercarrot]

Typical homer post. Take off the Sens coloured glasses pal and try to be objective - I know it's hard with how delusional you are.


Career PPG:

Norris 0.67
Zegras 0.73

Doesn't take a genius to figure out that Zegras is more impressive offensively by putting up those numbers with a team that is typically bottom of GFs aside from '22.

Norris is NOT 6'2 at his draft combine he was measured at 6' and looks smaller than that on the ice.l and certainly doesn't play like it.

I know it’s tough for you to look past your bizarre hatred for the team and its players but
Objectively Norris has scored 35 goals in a season, objectively has paced for 30g/82 since he’s been in the league and that’s with having to deal with the injuries.

He is objectively a far more useful player to Ottawa than Zegras.


The only delusion here is yours in thinking Zegras is the type of player the Sens need playing behind Stutzle.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Priorities:
1. #1 Goalie - Spencer Knight
2. RD - Brayden Schneider
3. RW - Jack Roslovic
4. Tough guy - Lawson Crouse LW
- Knight & Schneider are both young enough to grow with the Sens young roster
- Roslovic & Crouse are two gritty vets & Crouse a legitimate heavyweight
- Kubalik LW ($2.5 mil out)

Stole Some Trade Ideas:
To Florida: Forsberg G & Brannstrom LD ($4.735 mil out)
To Ottawa: Spencer Knight G ($4.5 mil in) - difference $.235K

To NYR: Chychrun LD ($4.6 mil out)
To Ott: Schneider RD & Roslovic RW ($4.6 mil in) (signed)

To Utah: Joseph LW/RW & Bost 1st rd pick 25th OA ($3 mil out)
To Ottawa: Lawson Crouse LW ($4.3 mil in) - difference $1.3 mil

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Stutzle - Pinto - Roslovic
Crouse - Greig - Giroux
Ostapchuk - Kastelic - MacEwan/Kelly - $53 mil

Chabot - Zub
Sanderson - Schneider
Kleven - JBD/Hamonic - $25 mil

Knight - Korpisalo/Sogaard - $8.5 mil = $86.5

I’d do all of these, but the other teams wouldn’t.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Typical homer post. Take off the Sens coloured glasses pal and try to be objective - I know it's hard with how delusional you are.


Career PPG:

Norris 0.67
Zegras 0.73

Doesn't take a genius to figure out that Zegras is more impressive offensively by putting up those numbers with a team that is typically bottom of GFs aside from '22.

Norris is NOT 6'2 at his draft combine he was measured at 6' and looks smaller than that on the ice.l and certainly doesn't play like it.

Well Norris actually did play defence when he was healthy.

There’s two sides to this.

If you think Norris is better. Great.

If you think zegras is better and Norris will never be the same after injuries. Ok. (But then why would Anaheim take Norris lol)
(And why is Anaheim trading zegras

 

[DJB]

Because of his inconsistencies and salary it can make sense

I like him but he’s replaceable

Idk 2.9 for a guy that brings an element of speed (which we lack) plays decently defensively is not too much imo.

 

[Cosmix]

3 separate trade ideas with Philly assuming we want Laughton. I am not endorsing, just bored.

Joseph + 39OA for Laughton

Chabot for Ristolainen + Laughton

Chychrun + Joseph for Laughton + FLA 1st.

Let the boos rain down.

I don't get the infatuation with Laughton.

 

[Cosmix]

Priorities:
1. #1 Goalie - Spencer Knight
2. RD - Brayden Schneider
3. RW - Jack Roslovic
4. Tough guy - Lawson Crouse LW
- Knight & Schneider are both young enough to grow with the Sens young roster
- Roslovic & Crouse are two gritty vets & Crouse a legitimate heavyweight
- Kubalik LW ($2.5 mil out)

Stole Some Trade Ideas:
To Florida: Forsberg G & Brannstrom LD ($4.735 mil out)
To Ottawa: Spencer Knight G ($4.5 mil in) - difference $.235K

To NYR: Chychrun LD ($4.6 mil out)
To Ott: Schneider RD & Roslovic RW ($4.6 mil in) (signed)

To Utah: Joseph LW/RW & Bost 1st rd pick 25th OA ($3 mil out)
To Ottawa: Lawson Crouse LW ($4.3 mil in) - difference $1.3 mil

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Stutzle - Pinto - Roslovic
Crouse - Greig - Giroux
Ostapchuk - Kastelic - MacEwan/Kelly - $53 mil

Chabot - Zub
Sanderson - Schneider
Kleven - JBD/Hamonic - $25 mil

Knight - Korpisalo/Sogaard - $8.5 mil = $86.5

I like the Crouse trade. Makes the team bigger and tougher.