Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[BigRig4]

Zegras is so overrrated because he can do fancy dekes lmao

 

[GCK]

Ducks Rumors: Trevor Zegras Linked to 4 Teams

Anaheim Ducks star forward Trevor Zegras is one of the top trade candidates heading into the 2024 NHL Offseason. He picked up a lot of trade...

www.nhltraderumors.me

Zegras makes zero sense.

Norris ++ for Zegras. Sign me up.

Brutal.

 

[Cosmix]

Joseph and our 2nd for Laughton?
Joseph and the Bos 1st for Jenner?
Joseph and our 2nd and the Bos 1st for Crouse?

My ears pricked up at Crouse!

 

[GCK]

My ears pricked up at Crouse!

No way he gets moved.

 

[GCK]

The obvious choices up front are Laughton or Jenner by trade or Martinook as a UFA.

On the backend we know they love Tanev but I could see a Ron Hainsey type signing on the bottom pair.

 

[Micklebot]

No way he gets moved.

Your probably right, I was more focused on what type of player we would cover, and I figure if others are going to make dumb proposals for Brady, I'd toss caution to the wind on this one.

I think the more important hierarchy is what we are willing to give up rather than the specific target, if there is another 27 to 31 year old vet that is a solid two way player, reasonably physical but not a big point producer that's a bit better than Jenner who might be available,aybe swap him in.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Zegras is the last thing we need. Unless there is a different angle to it like dumping the risk of Norris and his recovery on to Anaheim.

We probably do need more offense and skill, but not ahead of like 5 or 6 other things. Especially with our cap being so finite, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Maybe it would be Chabot for Zegras. That at least makes a little bit of sense given what the market for Chabot is apparently like without us retaining.

 

[Boud]

Zegras is the last thing we need. Unless there is a different angle to it like dumping the risk of Norris and his recovery on to Anaheim.

We probably do need more offense and skill, but not ahead of like 5 or 6 other things. Especially with our cap being so finite, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Maybe it would be Chabot for Zegras. That at least makes a little bit of sense given what the market for Chabot is apparently like without us retaining.

Trading Chabot for Zegras would make no sense. There'z a lot more value for us to keep Chabot and we need Dman more than Fs.

 

[Micklebot]

Trading Chabot for Zegras would make no sense. There'z a lot more value for us to keep Chabot and we need Dman more than Fs.

Devil's advocate here, but Chabot for Zegas would save us about 2.25 mil, and then we'd presumably keep Chychrun. If we then move Joseph for futures, sign our RHD at 5 mil, were in a similar spot with a substantial stake up.

Not the move I'd make, but...

Tkachuk-Stü-Giroux
Zegras-Pinto-Batherson
Greg-Norris-Ostapchuk
Kelly-Kastelic-MacEwen

Sandetson-Zub
Chychrun-Tanev
Kleven-JBD

Might need to mix up the lines, I don't know if I like Zegras with Batherson

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Zegras is intriguing. Before this season, he was considered a potential elite forward.

I'd probably do Boston's 1st+Greig for him(Anaheim probably turns it down though).

Zegras' value is dropping like a rock. Hell, the guy couldn't even establish himself at the Worlds this year. Dude is too temperamental to be a core player.

 

[Boud]

Devil's advocate here, but Chabot for Zegas would save us about 2.25 mil, and then we'd presumably keep Chychrun. If we then move Joseph for futures, sign our RHD at 5 mil, were in a similar spot with a substantial stake up.

Not the move I'd make, but...

Tkachuk-Stü-Giroux
Zegras-Pinto-Batherson
Greg-Norris-Ostapchuk
Kelly-Kastelic-MacEwen

Sandetson-Zub
Chychrun-Tanev
Kleven-JBD

Might need to mix up the lines, I don't know if I like Zegras with Batherson

I understand what you're saying. I just think that Chychrun is not as good as Chabot for what we need. Chabot is more well rounded while Chychrun plays a lot more like your typical offensive Dman.

It's hard to quaitfy how much money we would save, if at all. Chychrun is up for a new contract and with Chabot gone under this scenario it means Chychrun gets all offensive opportunities and would play more in general. In a market where the cap is going up and there's a shortage of competent Dman, It would be a better bet for Chychrun to let the season play out and leverage his position. I could see a team giving him the same thing as Chabot in the offseason. Not because he's better but because that's where we're at with the cap and Chychryn having all the leverage (and even more leverage if Chabot is traded).

I think this team needs vets and stability rather than Zegras. As fun as he is to watch I dont know if I'm confident enough in how it would play out to make this move.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Trading Chabot for Zegras would make no sense. There'z a lot more value for us to keep Chabot and we need Dman more than Fs.

It would get us out of Chabot's contract and give us a moveable asset. 2 years at 5.75M vs 4 years at 8M.

It's also a change of scenery move that might be needed with our core. Move out a player who has been tainted by being here under the Melnyk regime for nearly a decade of losing.

I like Chabot, and I wouldn't give him away for nothing, but if we could get a good young (even if flawed) player and improve our cap flexibility, I would move him.

 

[Boud]

It would get us out of Chabot's contract and give us a moveable asset. 2 years at 5.75M vs 4 years at 8M.

It's also a change of scenery move that might be needed with our core. Move out a player who has been tainted by being here under the Melnyk regime for nearly a decade of losing.

I like Chabot, and I wouldn't give him away for nothing, but if we could get a good young (even if flawed) player and improve our cap flexibility, I would move him.

I guess where I'm coming from there is no point for us to "get out of" Chabot's contract. He's a good player and would likely get exactly what he's getting paid now on the open market. His contract is not one that a team needs to get out of, he's providing fair value at that salary.

We also need him.

I don't know. It would highly depend on what other moves would trickle from there to properly analyze but on the surface I'm not sure I like it.

I don't understand how people here put so much faith in Chychrun. To me he's not played nearly as well as Chabot and he had a pretty bad season. I'm not convinced about him in general and I wouldn't give him a long term contract unless the money was very reasonable (I.E. 6 or max 6.5) and I don't see it.

 

[Micklebot]

I guess where I'm coming from there is no point for us to "get out of" Chabot's contract. He's a good player and would likely get exactly what he's getting paid now on the open market. His contract is not one that a team needs to get out of, he's providing fair value at that salary.

We also need him.

I don't know. It would highly depend on what other moves would trickle from there to properly analyze but on the surface I'm not sure I like it.

I don't understand how people here put so much faith in Chychrun. To me he's not played nearly as well as Chabot and he had a pretty bad season. I'm not convinced about him in general and I wouldn't give him a long term contract unless the money was very reasonable (I.E. 6 or max 6.5) and I don't see it.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying, I'd prefer to keep Chabot over Chychrun, but I can understand why some people prefer Chychrun.

In the end, I'd rather not make that trade, but if we were to, it wouldn't create an immediate problem. Whether we would just be kicking the problem down the road to his next contract though is a valid concern. There's also the issue that he may have already soured on playing here, though thatight be because he doesn't see a long term future.

 

[Tuna99]

Devil's advocate here, but Chabot for Zegas would save us about 2.25 mil, and then we'd presumably keep Chychrun. If we then move Joseph for futures, sign our RHD at 5 mil, were in a similar spot with a substantial stake up.

Not the move I'd make, but...

Tkachuk-Stü-Giroux
Zegras-Pinto-Batherson
Greg-Norris-Ostapchuk
Kelly-Kastelic-MacEwen

Sandetson-Zub
Chychrun-Tanev
Kleven-JBD

Might need to mix up the lines, I don't know if I like Zegras with Batherson

Zegras just doesn’t fit in anywhere for this team because we are going in the complete opposite direction of flash and dash hockey - we are trying to build a cycle team and Zegras is the opposite of a cycle player

 

[Micklebot]

Zegras just doesn’t fit in anywhere for this team because we are going in the complete opposite direction of flash and dash hockey - we are trying to build a cycle team and Zegras is the opposite of a cycle player

I mean, you say that, but so far what have we done, claim Katchouk off waivers, and traded away Tarasenko. I really don't know what Staios' vision truly is, certainly the description you've come up with doesn't fit his routes in Edm,

The one thing I have heard is "too much of the same thing", so balance might be what Staios is after. Right now, the only flash and dash we have is Stutzle. Is there room for Zegras? Maybe. Not my target, but he's 23, so there's still room to develop a more well rounded game.

 

[GCK]

Your probably right, I was more focused on what type of player we would cover, and I figure if others are going to make dumb proposals for Brady, I'd toss caution to the wind on this one.

I think the more important hierarchy is what we are willing to give up rather than the specific target, if there is another 27 to 31 year old vet that is a solid two way player, reasonably physical but not a big point producer that's a bit better than Jenner who might be available,aybe swap him in.

I think they will be looking more at the qualities that Jenner or Laughton bring over finding better players.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

Zegras to Ottawa might be like sending a 'problem child' upstate to live with aunty and uncle on the farm to learn some real world values. Gotta beat that 'California' outta him. I'm all for it as long as the return makes sense.

 

[Micklebot]

I think they will be looking more at the qualities that Jenner or Laughton bring over finding better players.

While I tend to agree, it's all talk until they actually make moves of substance. The only thing I'm fairly sure of is they want to add some vet experience, but I could see that being done by means of a top 4 D,

Anyways, I am by no means a proponent of trading for Zegras, of course, if the price is low enough, I'd consider it, but we don't really have the cap flexibility to take on project players right now. I think we need to focus on our needs, which is top 4 RHD, Goaltending, and if there's room, a middle 6 gritty vet.

 

[Tuna99]

I mean, you say that, but so far what have we done, claim Katchouk off waivers, and traded away Tarasenko. I really don't know what Staios' vision truly is, certainly the description you've come up with doesn't fit his routes in Edm,

The one thing I have heard is "too much of the same thing", so balance might be what Staios is after. Right now, the only flash and dash we have is Stutzle. Is there room for Zegras? Maybe. Not my target, but he's 23, so there's still room to develop a more well rounded game.

TG and SS have both hinted to win you need to score off the cycle and that’s certainly where they did the biggest improvement once Alfie took over. His hilite of giving it to Kastelic speaks to the type of hockey they want, they want to retreive pucks and cycle and that to me was the greatest improvement with the team besides the shot reduction - just need better people to play that way and some offense from the RD to keep pucks moving and alive in the O zone- just don’t see Zegras fitting that all.

 

[Micklebot]

So, I was looking at Tyler Myers as a potential UFA target if we strike out on some of our preferred targets, and noticed Hockey reference actually lists Chaos Giraffe as one of his nicknames... Like, I knew fans called him that at times, but lol at it making it's way onto Hockey Ref,

 

[Cosmix]

So, I was looking at Tyler Myers as a potential UFA target if we strike out on some of our preferred targets, and noticed Hockey reference actually lists Chaos Giraffe as one of his nicknames... Like, I knew fans called him that at times, but lol at it making it's way onto Hockey Ref,

Who is better: Myers or Zadorov?

 

[Micklebot]

Here's the UFA RHD and projected contracts from AFPAnalytics.

Bold are the guys I think we might consider.

Player​	Projected Length​	Projected Cap Hit​
Montour, Brandon​	6​	$7,700,060.00​
Pesce, Brett​	5​	$6,261,780.00​
Roy, Matt​	5​	$5,823,280.00​
DeMelo, Dylan​	4​	$5,321,928.33​
Tanev, Christopher​	3​	$4,466,122.50​
Carrier, Alexandre​	3​	$3,981,580.00​
Chatfield, Jalen​	4​	$3,660,987.78​
Myers, Tyler​	2​	$3,160,708.00​
Dumba, Matt​	3​	$3,030,727.37​
Schultz, Justin​	2​	$2,394,210.00​
Miller, Colin​	2​	$1,832,930.00​
DeAngelo, Anthony​	2​	$1,747,735.71​
Barrie, Tyson​	1​	$1,739,383.33​
Klingberg, John​	1​	$1,640,428.50​
Hakanpää, Jani​	1​	$1,510,632.50​
Lyubushkin, Ilya​	2​	$1,469,546.96​
Shattenkirk, Kevin​	1​	$1,460,205.00​
Johnson, Erik​	1​	$1,317,692.50​
Desharnais, Vincent​	1​	$1,115,820.95​
Stecher, Troy​	1​	$1,054,836.11​
Zaitsev, Nikita​	1​	$1,016,101.94​
Brown, Joshua​	1​	$955,442.78​
Bortuzzo, Robert​	1​	$923,773.33​
Ruhwedel, Chad​	1​	$856,302.80​
Crotty, Cameron​	1​	$775,000.00​
DeSimone, Nick​	1​	$775,000.00​
Myers, Philippe​	1​	$775,000.00​
Petrovic, Alex​	1​	$775,000.00​

 

[Beech]

I mean, you say that, but so far what have we done, claim Katchouk off waivers, and traded away Tarasenko. I really don't know what Staios' vision truly is, certainly the description you've come up with doesn't fit his routes in Edm,

The one thing I have heard is "too much of the same thing", so balance might be what Staios is after. Right now, the only flash and dash we have is Stutzle. Is there room for Zegras? Maybe. Not my target, but he's 23, so there's still room to develop a more well rounded game.

the game is reverting back to past years. Tunna touched on it in post #9,195.

Take a look at the 2 semifinal (Conference final) series and the 4 Quarter finals. All got played in half court/half ice fashion. Get the puck in, cycle and fight. Even the Oilers have morphed into a "pucks in deep" team. Hyman taking a beating in front of the net, McD and Drai battling on the walls. Ekholm, Bouchard and company holding the lines.

Florida, Dallas and NYR are all pretty good teams at playing the Greasy, grinding down, low game. Ditto for Boston and Vancouver. Colorado, not as much, Carolina not as much. Both stalled.

Vegas won a cup last year because of that style, and may have repeated, if it wasn't for injuries and age catching up.

The Cole Caufield experiment is over. It is now back to the Claude Lemieux world.

 

[Micklebot]

Who is better: Myers or Zadorov?

Well, Zadorov is a LHD, significantly more physical, I think Myers was used higher up the lineup in Van.

I think Zadorov would be the better target if he was a RHD but he's not playing in our top 4 as a LHD, so I'm not really interested in him.