Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Senator Stanley]

I heard the Sault is the chlamydia capital of Ontario. Not too sure we need more of that.

More?

 

[GCK]

We have 7 top 9 forwards that aren’t going anywhere in Tkachuk, Stutzle, Batherson, Giroux, Pinto, Norris and Greig.

Staios has said he wants to bring in some additional vets so Joseph’s money needs to come off the books to make room.

 

[Cosmix]

I've said it a few times in the last few weeks, but at this point, and given SS's comments, I expect the situation to play out just like Jack Campbell.

With his contract, he's untradeable without significant assets that the org won't stomach. I assume SS was saying what he did at years end because he perused the cost to dump him and knows it's not realistic.

He'll be given one more shot, and prove once again he's not capable, and then be sent to the minors to play out his contract. Maybe he gets another chance down the line if the team is still floundering with the position, but I suspect that'll be the last you hear of him until he's bought out further down the line.

I smell a buyout coming. Could be anytime depending on what Staios can get done to acquire a better goaltender.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

It was a joke because the Loach guy doesn't like my posts and claimed that anybody who he suspects has a negative opinion about the state of the team must be the same person with multiple accounts.

So I made a joke later where the punch line was that my other account was called Loach.

I think to be safe, the mods should ban Loach.

Way over my head haha

 

[Big Muddy]

Maybe it will be Joseph to LAK for Kaliyev?

He is not what we need stylistically, but you could argue that we have an opening for someone in the middle 6 who can score. Staios is also familiar with him through Hamilton.

I'd assume both have similar trade value. A 3rd or 4th round pick, maybe a future 2nd in an optimistic scenario, but probably not.

I don't think Joseph has the value some people here expect that he should. This will be another Tarasenko situation, where we get a 3rd or 4th, or a NHL ready roster player with a lower cap hit - and people will be upset at the return because they expected a 2nd or better as a given.

If were are adding a forward, I think its going to be a middle six forward that PKs and doesn’t cost much ($3 m or less). If a good, top 4 RD, a replacement goalie, and re-signing Pinto to a contract with term are the priorities, there simply isn’t enough cap space for other moves. That point doesn’t seem to resonate in here (with some) for whatever reason.

Sure, we could do a big shake up, but what I’ve seen posted would not be feasible, or would make the team worse. Its got to be a lot more than change for the sake of change.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I smell a buyout coming. Could be anytime depending on what Staios can get done to acquire a better goaltender.

I only think he will be bought out as a last resort to gain short term cap space.

The logic is that they can bury him in the AHL and the 1M+ they get back roughly adds up to the same cap relief as a buyout. Only, structured differently.

The plus of burying him is that it doesn't close the book on gaining value from him if he somehow bounces back. It also doesn't close the book on dumping him as part of a trade, where as the buyout dead cap is not moveable.

It would be smart for the team to have at least one player take them to arbitration so that they get an option to follow through with the hearing and enable to second buyout window. Maybe someone like Katchouk where he is basically a mercenary and at most arbitration might get him a few 100k extra in a worst case scenario.


There are a lot of moving parts so having a buying window in August or whenever it would be could be a useful tool.

 

[Micklebot]

Joseph and our 2nd for Laughton?
Joseph and the Bos 1st for Jenner?
Joseph and our 2nd and the Bos 1st for Crouse?

 

[GCK]

Let's look at our cap situation. Assuming we want some wiggle room like a real team, then we have about 11.25M to add to our roster. We have 9 Fs under contract with Pinto and Kelly needed to be signed. That may cost 6.5M, so now we are down to 4.75M to improve the roster and we still need two forwards, so let's add Ostapchuk and Crookshank at 1.75M combined. We are now down to 3M to fill out D and G. We have 6 D counting against the cap in CapFriendly, so let's buyout Hamonic and promote Klevin. That costs about 150K, we will call it neutral since we left some wiggle room. We still have only 3M with 6D and 2G. Let's add a Vet RD at 5.5M, we are now over by 2.5M. If we move Chychrun and add a vet RD for the bottom pair at 2M while keeping JBD as our 7th D we are basically back to neutral. So how do we fix goaltending and add a vet top 9 Forward, let's move Joseph and replace him with a solid older vet at the same 3M.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Giroux
New guy @ 3M - Norris - Kelly
Ostapchuk - Kastelic - Crookshank
MacEwan

Sanderson - 5.5M RD
Chabot - Zub
Klevin - 2M RD
JBD

Korpisalo
Forsberg

86.5M ish.

Not sure how we fix the goaltending without doing something along the lines of using 25OA, return from Chychrun, etc... to acquire acquire a Forsberg upgrade while sending Forsberg and having the other team retain. Example from earlier rumour, it would likely take something like

To Florida - 25OA +

To team like the Sharks or Chicago - Forsberg, late 1st, 50% retained on Knight

To Ottawa - Spencer Knight at 2.25M for 2 years.

Does that make us better in goal, maybe.

 

[JungleBeat]

Joseph and our 2nd for Laughton?
Joseph and the Bos 1st for Jenner?
Joseph and our 2nd and the Bos 1st for Crouse?

No to all three.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Let's look at our cap situation. Assuming we want some wiggle room like a real team, then we have about 11.25M to add to our roster. We have 9 Fs under contract with Pinto and Kelly needed to be signed. That may cost 6.5M, so now we are down to 4.75M to improve the roster and we still need two forwards, so let's add Ostapchuk and Crookshank at 1.75M combined. We are now down to 3M to fill out D and G. We have 6 D counting against the cap in CapFriendly, so let's buyout Hamonic and promote Klevin. That costs about 150K, we will call it neutral since we left some wiggle room. We still have only 3M with 6D and 2G. Let's add a Vet RD at 5.5M, we are now over by 2.5M. If we move Chychrun and add a vet RD for the bottom pair at 2M while keeping JBD as our 7th D we are basically back to neutral. So how do we fix goaltending and add a vet top 9 Forward, let's move Joseph and replace him with a solid older vet at the same 3M.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Giroux
New guy @ 3M - Norris - Kelly
Ostapchuk - Kastelic - Crookshank
MacEwan

Sanderson - 5.5M RD
Chabot - Zub
Klevin - 2M RD
JBD

Korpisalo
Forsberg

86.5M ish.

Not sure how we fix the goaltending without doing something along the lines of using 25OA, return from Chychrun, etc... to acquire acquire a Forsberg upgrade while sending Forsberg and having the other team retain. Example from earlier rumour, it would likely take something like

To Florida - 25OA +

To team like the Sharks or Chicago - Forsberg, late 1st, 50% retained on Knight

To Ottawa - Spencer Knight at 2.25M for 2 years.

Does that make us better in goal, maybe.

I think someone would take Forsberg because he is an expiring contract and someone will need a goalie that they can plug and play.

If that does happen, we would be pretty close to affording Knight without retention. 1.75M spread across Pinto and your 3 new acquisitions is about 400k each that you would have to shave off your projections.

With that said, if I was Chicago or San Jose, I might be more willing to gamble on retaining on Knight for a lower pick because if he fails to establish himself in the NHL this season, he would be a strong buyout candidate at the U26 rate next season. So 2.25M x 2 retained could turn into 2.25M x 1 and 750k x 2.

Joseph and our 2nd for Laughton?
Joseph and the Bos 1st for Jenner?
Joseph and our 2nd and the Bos 1st for Crouse?

There is no way we get Crouse for that. If we could get Crouse for that package, I would drive an inkjet printout of your trade proposal to the CTC.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Let's look at our cap situation. Assuming we want some wiggle room like a real team, then we have about 11.25M to add to our roster. We have 9 Fs under contract with Pinto and Kelly needed to be signed. That may cost 6.5M, so now we are down to 4.75M to improve the roster and we still need two forwards, so let's add Ostapchuk and Crookshank at 1.75M combined. We are now down to 3M to fill out D and G. We have 6 D counting against the cap in CapFriendly, so let's buyout Hamonic and promote Klevin. That costs about 150K, we will call it neutral since we left some wiggle room. We still have only 3M with 6D and 2G. Let's add a Vet RD at 5.5M, we are now over by 2.5M. If we move Chychrun and add a vet RD for the bottom pair at 2M while keeping JBD as our 7th D we are basically back to neutral. So how do we fix goaltending and add a vet top 9 Forward, let's move Joseph and replace him with a solid older vet at the same 3M.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Giroux
New guy @ 3M - Norris - Kelly
Ostapchuk - Kastelic - Crookshank
MacEwan

Sanderson - 5.5M RD
Chabot - Zub
Klevin - 2M RD
JBD

Korpisalo
Forsberg

86.5M ish.

Not sure how we fix the goaltending without doing something along the lines of using 25OA, return from Chychrun, etc... to acquire acquire a Forsberg upgrade while sending Forsberg and having the other team retain. Example from earlier rumour, it would likely take something like

To Florida - 25OA +

To team like the Sharks or Chicago - Forsberg, late 1st, 50% retained on Knight

To Ottawa - Spencer Knight at 2.25M for 2 years.

Does that make us better in goal, maybe.

Does that include the 850k for Sanderson’s performance bonus carryover from last year.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Lose an F; gain a D. I'd rather keep Joseph because we need an F and not a D unless we trade a D in another trade. Ceci is not the type of D we need.

He's not what we need, but they could do worse for a Joseph swap. They do need 2 RD, so hopefully it wouldn't be the only move. Ceci on the bottom pairing is a solid option.

We know Chychrun is being moved, Brannstrom not coming back is very likely if not a certainty, and Hamonic can't cut it, so there is room. Kleven is also being penciled in by a lot of people, but will be a rookie and could have growing pains. JBD played well last year, but is still mostly a spare part. Zub is really the only locked in reliable RD.

And the only reason I jumped in was to throw in the Korpisalo for Campbell aspect. I'd love to see them get creative with dumping Korpisalo.

 

[Alex1234]

Maybe Joseph best bud Chabot is next
Maybe management is tired of this loser's country club roster
Maybe they want new and better players
Maybe they want a winning team in the future

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I smell a buyout coming. Could be anytime depending on what Staios can get done to acquire a better goaltender.

I would do it, because I see him as a lost, sunk cause. Not sure it's in the cards though. They've taken a lot of lumps lately cleaning up all the mistakes.

 

[Micklebot]

There is no way we get Crouse for that. If we could get Crouse for that package, I would drive an inkjet printout of your trade proposal to the CTC.

You might be right, how much more do you think it would it take? I might be guilty of over-valuing Joseph in these trades (I figure he's about the equivalent of a 3rd) but Idk how much more Crouse would actually be worth, he's a good two way player, but he's got a career high of 45 pts. I guess he does have 3 more years left on his deal, so there is value in that.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

No to all three.

We get better with each

The other teams may say no tho

You might be right, how much more do you think it would it take? I might be guilty of over-valuing Joseph in these trades (I figure he's about the equivalent of a 3rd) but Idk how much more Crouse would actually be worth, he's a good two way player, but he's got a career high of 45 pts. I guess he does have 3 more years left on his deal, so there is value in that.

Don’t let facts make you forgot NHL GMs cover certain types. Is Laughton really worth much? No. But he will likely return something nice

 

[Good in Osgoode]

Let's look at our cap situation. Assuming we want some wiggle room like a real team, then we have about 11.25M to add to our roster. We have 9 Fs under contract with Pinto and Kelly needed to be signed. That may cost 6.5M, so now we are down to 4.75M to improve the roster and we still need two forwards, so let's add Ostapchuk and Crookshank at 1.75M combined. We are now down to 3M to fill out D and G. We have 6 D counting against the cap in CapFriendly, so let's buyout Hamonic and promote Klevin. That costs about 150K, we will call it neutral since we left some wiggle room. We still have only 3M with 6D and 2G. Let's add a Vet RD at 5.5M, we are now over by 2.5M. If we move Chychrun and add a vet RD for the bottom pair at 2M while keeping JBD as our 7th D we are basically back to neutral. So how do we fix goaltending and add a vet top 9 Forward, let's move Joseph and replace him with a solid older vet at the same 3M.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Giroux
New guy @ 3M - Norris - Kelly
Ostapchuk - Kastelic - Crookshank
MacEwan

Sanderson - 5.5M RD
Chabot - Zub
Klevin - 2M RD
JBD

Korpisalo
Forsberg

86.5M ish.

Not sure how we fix the goaltending without doing something along the lines of using 25OA, return from Chychrun, etc... to acquire acquire a Forsberg upgrade while sending Forsberg and having the other team retain. Example from earlier rumour, it would likely take something like

To Florida - 25OA +

To team like the Sharks or Chicago - Forsberg, late 1st, 50% retained on Knight

To Ottawa - Spencer Knight at 2.25M for 2 years.

Does that make us better in goal, maybe.

A lot of cap gymnastics here but this is basically the format for what it is going to take to bring on what we think we need this off-season in terms of adding to our Top-9, adding to our D and bringing in a new Goalie.

 

[Loach]

Maybe Joseph best bud Chabot is next
Maybe management is tired of this loser's country club roster
Maybe they want new and better players
Maybe they want a winning team in the future

Didn't DJ bench Joseph for a game against his brother? Parents were there to see the boys first game against each other in the NHL...along thise lines?

 

[Alex1234]

Didn't DJ bench Joseph for a game against his brother? Parents were there to see the boys first game against each other in the NHL...along thise lines?

Wasn't it covered up by a supposedly missed training session iirc?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Didn't DJ bench Joseph for a game against his brother? Parents were there to see the boys first game against each other in the NHL...along thise lines?

Was a discipline decision, and Joe had no issue with it.

 

[Micklebot]

No to all three.

I think all three make us a better team and satisfy the orgs goal of bringing in vets. All three guys are in leadership roles, all three guys bring well rounded games, can step into Joseph's role on the PK, are above average in terms of physicality and all three guys can provide some depth offense beyond what Joseph did.

What makes you against these trades?

 

[BigRig4]

Wasn't it covered up by a supposedly missed training session iirc?

It was something off-ice that led to a benching, and AFAIK that's the most detail we ever got.

Joseph and our 2nd for Laughton?
Joseph and the Bos 1st for Jenner?
Joseph and our 2nd and the Bos 1st for Crouse?

I like the first one. I think the second and third are a bit pricey.

 

[BrawlFan]

That gives us a better RHD for the first pair but we’re still in the same position of lacking a top 4 RHD. I’d rather add a lesser option and keep Zub rather than upgrade Zub and keep the hole.

Ideally you’d be grabbing a Roy and overpaying.

I should expand a bit.

Zub is a shorter term contract that can be flipped by a team looking to rebuild. So this in effect is 2 1sts for Calgary and capspace.

We ship out 5 to get 7 (approx) so it’s the net gain of 2. Ship out Joey and Forsy and Chych.

Overpay for Roy on the FA as it’s a deadcap essentially so contenders will have it difficult to pay what we could for Roy.

Sandy-Roy
Chabby-Weager

Much much better D unit.

And for the love of god. Don’t trade for a goalie. Adin Hill has a ring. We should not be moving anything valuable (little we have) for a goalie. Run Korpi again. I believe he’s better than he’s shown. Or make him Jack Campbell.

If Chabby gets traded I can’t think of a better team than Montreal. It works for all parties. Plus I don’t wanna do chabby dirty.

 

[Good in Osgoode]

Ideally you’d be grabbing a Roy and overpaying.

I should expand a bit.

Zub is a shorter term contract that can be flipped by a team looking to rebuild. So this in effect is 2 1sts for Calgary and capspace.

We ship out 5 to get 7 (approx) so it’s the net gain of 2. Ship out Joey and Forsy and Chych.

Overpay for Roy on the FA as it’s a deadcap essentially so contenders will have it difficult to pay what we could for Roy.

Sandy-Roy
Chabby-Weager

Much much better D unit.

And for the love of god. Don’t trade for a goalie. Adin Hill has a ring. We should not be moving anything valuable (little we have) for a goalie. Run Korpi again. I believe he’s better than he’s shown. Or make him Jack Campbell.

If Chabby gets traded I can’t think of a better team than Montreal. It works for all parties. Plus I don’t wanna do chabby dirty.

Will be interesting to see what kind of patience the org has for Korpi.

A buyout is a huge pill to swallow. A trade without getting completely bent over is going to be very difficult. I think that they should do what they can to offload Forsberg and then bring in Brossoit or Stolarz on a shorter-term deal and let them compete with Korp for the starter's position.

They played Korpi in 55 games last season. His previous career high was 39 games in 22-23 split between the BJ's and the Kings. He is not a #1 but I think he can be a solid 1B. He came around in the back half of the season and I thought he started to show a bit of confidence in the second half of the season. I think he really struggled with his confidence last season with being on a new team in a new city with new teammates and then you have a management change, a coaching change, etc. etc.

I would really like to see him get another chance cause I think he is much better than what we saw last season. If they can find a good partner for him and work on their structure as well as make some of the personnel changes, I think that we see a different goalie this season.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I can't believe how many people are prepared to run Korpisalo back and just sweep it under the rug. The guy was brutal last year, and it wasn't even far off his career average. He's been outplayed by his tandem peer significantly almost every year of his career whether it was Merzlikins or Bobrovsky. He's arguably had 3 quality seasons out of 9. He's not good by NHL standards.

I'd rather roll out a Casey DeSmith or Calvin Pickard. Or even Jack Campbell.