Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Big Muddy]

Let's look at our cap situation. Assuming we want some wiggle room like a real team, then we have about 11.25M to add to our roster. We have 9 Fs under contract with Pinto and Kelly needed to be signed. That may cost 6.5M, so now we are down to 4.75M to improve the roster and we still need two forwards, so let's add Ostapchuk and Crookshank at 1.75M combined. We are now down to 3M to fill out D and G. We have 6 D counting against the cap in CapFriendly, so let's buyout Hamonic and promote Klevin. That costs about 150K, we will call it neutral since we left some wiggle room. We still have only 3M with 6D and 2G. Let's add a Vet RD at 5.5M, we are now over by 2.5M. If we move Chychrun and add a vet RD for the bottom pair at 2M while keeping JBD as our 7th D we are basically back to neutral. So how do we fix goaltending and add a vet top 9 Forward, let's move Joseph and replace him with a solid older vet at the same 3M.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Giroux
New guy @ 3M - Norris - Kelly
Ostapchuk - Kastelic - Crookshank
MacEwan

Sanderson - 5.5M RD
Chabot - Zub
Klevin - 2M RD
JBD

Korpisalo
Forsberg

86.5M ish.

Not sure how we fix the goaltending without doing something along the lines of using 25OA, return from Chychrun, etc... to acquire acquire a Forsberg upgrade while sending Forsberg and having the other team retain. Example from earlier rumour, it would likely take something like

To Florida - 25OA +

To team like the Sharks or Chicago - Forsberg, late 1st, 50% retained on Knight

To Ottawa - Spencer Knight at 2.25M for 2 years.

Does that make us better in goal, maybe.

Maybe this will help? Its just something I do, and I guess I like this format and to be able to see the math. The players are the same, but position might have changed a bit (less typing).

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

You might be right, how much more do you think it would it take? I might be guilty of over-valuing Joseph in these trades (I figure he's about the equivalent of a 3rd) but Idk how much more Crouse would actually be worth, he's a good two way player, but he's got a career high of 45 pts. I guess he does have 3 more years left on his deal, so there is value in that.

Is Crouse rumoured to be available?

I don't know what his actual value would be. Just for example, if I was Toronto, I would trade Marner (assuming he isn't re-signing in TOR) for Crouse in a second. Crouse is the exact kind of player teams need to win in the playoffs.

Big strong players who actually play physical and can put up 25 goals simply don't exist. Add in his fantastic cap hit with term. It's why teams blew their brains out to get David Clarkson. Except, Clarkson did not maintain the level of play that got him that contract while Crouse has been a player for many years.

He was second on the Coyotes in ES goals while playing very tough minutes. He is a building block piece. They would be crazy to trade him, unless it was something they couldn't refuse like the aforementioned Marner example.

I can't believe how many people are prepared to run Korpisalo back and just sweep it under the rug. The guy was brutal last year, and it wasn't even far off his career average. He's been outplayed by his tandem peer significantly almost every year of his career whether it was Merzlikins or Bobrovsky. He's arguably had 3 quality seasons out of 9. He's not good by NHL standards.

I'd rather roll out a Casey DeSmith or Calvin Pickard. Or even Jack Campbell.

I think the best situation with Korpisalo is that he is a sunk cost.

1. Forbserg traded to clear cap.
2. A new goalie is brought in.
3. Korpoisalo+Sogaard fight for the backup job. Loser gets buried in the AHL.

A buyout only makes sense if we are 3.66M away from a game changing move. Otherwise, bury him for the 1.125M x 4, which is roughly the equivalent of the historical cap relief for a buyout.

Down the line, we might encounter a situation where we want to acquire an overpriced player but the other team doesn't want to retain. If we buy him out, we can't move his dead cap. If he is buried, we may be able to move him for a more useful player who has negative value. Schenn was the one brought up a few pages back.

 

[Big Muddy]

Ideally you’d be grabbing a Roy and overpaying.

I should expand a bit.

Zub is a shorter term contract that can be flipped by a team looking to rebuild. So this in effect is 2 1sts for Calgary and capspace.

We ship out 5 to get 7 (approx) so it’s the net gain of 2. Ship out Joey and Forsy and Chych.

Overpay for Roy on the FA as it’s a deadcap essentially so contenders will have it difficult to pay what we could for Roy.

Sandy-Roy
Chabby-Weager

Much much better D unit.

And for the love of god. Don’t trade for a goalie. Adin Hill has a ring. We should not be moving anything valuable (little we have) for a goalie. Run Korpi again. I believe he’s better than he’s shown. Or make him Jack Campbell.

If Chabby gets traded I can’t think of a better team than Montreal. It works for all parties. Plus I don’t wanna do chabby dirty.

Now try putting together a complete roster, with salaries and everything included. A lot of the theories fall apart when this is done.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I think the best situation with Korpisalo is that he is a sunk cost.

1. Forbserg traded to clear cap.
2. A new goalie is brought in.
3. Korpoisalo+Sogaard fight for the backup job. Loser gets buried in the AHL.

A buyout only makes sense if we are 3.66M away from a game changing move. Otherwise, bury him for the 1.125M x 4, which is roughly the equivalent of the historical cap relief for a buyout.

Down the line, we might encounter a situation where we want to acquire an overpriced player but the other team doesn't want to retain. If we buy him out, we can't move his dead cap. If he is buried, we may be able to move him for a more useful player who has negative value. Schenn was the one brought up a few pages back.

I think so too. If he's kept with a chance to be the backup, I just want to see another option brought in that gets first crack at it. Imo Korpisalo did not earn the opportunity to get another shot until other options prove incapable. No way should we be going in basically crossing our fingers the guy can buck career trends on the wrong side of 30.

Something like him for Schenn would be a no brainer, but it'd likely not be that easy. Schenn still brings something to the table, whereas GM's would look at Korpse as a contract dump only.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I think so too. If he's kept with a chance to be the backup, I just want to see another option brought in that gets first crack at it. Imo Korpisalo did not earn the opportunity to get another shot until other options prove incapable. No way should we be going in basically crossing our fingers the guy can buck career trends on the wrong side of 30.

Something like him for Schenn would be a no brainer, but it'd likely not be that easy. Schenn still brings something to the table, whereas GM's would look at Korpse as a contract dump only.

The way I see it, if there isn't a trade out there to swap him for a different bad contract (Schenn, etc), he's a sunk cost.

We should not be projecting him to help us in net, but there is no reason why he cannot battle for a spot in training camp because he is there anyways.

The way I see it:

Starter: Trade or Free Agent Acquisiton
Backup: Korpisalo or Sogaard

AHL Starter: Korpisalo or Sogaard
AHL Backup: Journeyman Veteran Pro or Mandolese if we keep him.

ECHL: Meralainen

An ideal situation would be that they dump Korpisalo to a different team, but I don't see that as being realistic.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

The way I see it, if there isn't a trade out there to swap him for a different bad contract (Schenn, etc), he's a sunk cost.

We should not be projecting him to help us in net, but there is no reason why he cannot battle for a spot in training camp because he is there anyways.

The way I see it:

Starter: Trade or Free Agent Acquisiton
Backup: Korpisalo or Sogaard

AHL Starter: Korpisalo or Sogaard
AHL Backup: Journeyman Veteran Pro or Mandolese if we keep him.

ECHL: Meralainen

An ideal situation would be that they dump Korpisalo to a different team, but I don't see that as being realistic.

I think that's reasonable and likely, even if not my first choice.

I have major doubts about him being able to be a capable backup and think he'll hurt us there just the same, especially with the likelihood they don't get a true 50+ game starter, so ideally I'd just like to see him off the team. We can do better with a Pickard or DeSmith type as the backup who at least have proven reliable in that role.

 

[JungleBeat]

I think all three make us a better team and satisfy the orgs goal of bringing in vets. All three guys are in leadership roles, all three guys bring well rounded games, can step into Joseph's role on the PK, are above average in terms of physicality and all three guys can provide some depth offense beyond what Joseph did.

What makes you against these trades?

If we end up trading the 1st + 2nd I'll like to land a player better than those listed and hang onto Joseph as well.

 

[BondraTime]

Is this from league executives?

 

[Senscore]

Is this from league executives?

It's all true.

Source: Me, Lee Gegsecutives

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Rasmus Andersson and Markstrom retained for Forsberg, JBD, and both first rounders.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Rasmus Andersson and Markstrom retained for Forsberg, JBD, and both first rounders.

Give up the 7th OVR + 25th OVR picks to create a 2 year window to contend when we aren't even established as a playoff team yet?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I see the temptation with that one, but 2 year contracted players with UFA status are tough. Teams obviously moving them anticipating the next contract, but still expecting value, while you can't even discuss contract when they're brought in. Would be a very PD type short sighted move imo.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

I see the temptation with that one, but 2 year contracted players with UFA status are tough. Teams obviously moving them anticipating the next contract, but still expecting value, while you can't even discuss contract when they're brought in. Would be a very PD type short sighted move imo.

What about flames put nucks first rounder as well.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

What about flames put nucks first rounder as well.

I like both players being acquired but share Hale's concerns. This is not a team on the cusp and if they're spending assets like that (again), even in this revised inclusion of the Nucks 1st, I need more contract certainty with the players brought in.

We could end up empty handed in 2 years pretty easily.

I'm all in on Markstrom if cheap enough though, we have nothing capable in house atm.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Jakob Chychrun + Tyler Boucher + 7th OA + 2025 2nd round

for

Rasmus Andersson + 9th OA

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Giving up the 7th overall for a player with 2 years of team control would be us making the same mistake the third time in a row...

I don't think it's an untradeable asset in a scenario like one last year where players such as Gauthier and Askarov were made available - so it's like we're getting a top 10 talent who is a few years into their development - but not for 2 years of a player when we're in such an uncertain situation.

I'd give it up for someone like Lafreniere with an extension, a player like that. Young enough to fit in for another 10 years. Andersson is a more valuable player, but the term and contract status make it a huge mistake.

 

[OttawaSenators11]

Looks like NJ are trying for Markstorm again.

And VAN talking with Zadarov and Lindholm trying to get both signed long-term.

With regards to Korpisalo, Ottawa should trade Brady if the plan is to play him even as a backup because he’s dog poo and we aren’t winning with him regardless on who we bring in IMO.

In such an important year, especially when it comes to Brady it would be absolutely idiotic to show patience with Joonas we gotta win period.

If he can’t be traded, you gotta buy him out even if you don’t save anything it’s a win just having him off the roster.

 

[GCK]

Does that include the 850k for Sanderson’s performance bonus carryover from last year.

Yes

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Looks like NJ are trying for Markstorm again.

And VAN talking with Zadarov and Lindholm trying to get both signed long-term.

With regards to Korpisalo, Ottawa should trade Brady if the plan is to play him even as a backup because he’s dog poo and we aren’t winning with him regardless on who we bring in IMO.

In such an important year, especially when it comes to Brady it would be absolutely idiotic to show patience with Joonas we gotta win period.

If he can’t be traded, you gotta buy him out even if you don’t save anything it’s a win just having him off the roster.

Without a doubt will be Van's top two priorities imo, followed by a Hronek extension and an attempt to keep Dakota Joshua.

I see a lot of UFA depth expiring on Canadian teams in general this year. Hopefully SS can make a savvy move or two on some of them.

 

[Crosside]

Ducks Rumors: Trevor Zegras Linked to 4 Teams

Anaheim Ducks star forward Trevor Zegras is one of the top trade candidates heading into the 2024 NHL Offseason. He picked up a lot of trade...

www.nhltraderumors.me

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Zegras is intriguing. Before this season, he was considered a potential elite forward.

I'd probably do Boston's 1st+Greig for him(Anaheim probably turns it down though).

 

[Golden_Jet]

Zegras is intriguing. Before this season, he was considered a potential elite forward.

I'd probably do Boston's 1st+Greig for him(Anaheim probably turns it down though).

I’d pass on Zegras, not what team needs.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Zegras is intriguing. Before this season, he was considered a potential elite forward.

I'd probably do Boston's 1st+Greig for him(Anaheim probably turns it down though).

I staios acquiring zebras would be the weirdest thing and against how’s he’s talked about this team

 

[Micklebot]

Zegras is intriguing. Before this season, he was considered a potential elite forward.

I'd probably do Boston's 1st+Greig for him(Anaheim probably turns it down though).

He is the exact opposite of the type of player we seem to be after though...

 

[JungleBeat]

Norris ++ for Zegras. Sign me up.