Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[frightenedinmatenum2]

It's something to scoff at and move past.

People should probably prepare for the eventuality that Brady might be gone within the next 16 or so months.

Even if it is a rumor from a questionable source, it's completely reasonable to predict that Brady is out of here if we lose again next season.

His NMC is his key to getting a trade and it kicks in on July 1st 2025. If he is unhappy with the situation, they aren't going to keep him beyond that date.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

People should probably prepare for the eventuality that Brady might be gone within the next 16 or so months.

Even if it is a rumor from a questionable source, it's completely reasonable to predict that Brady is out of here if we lose again next season.

His NMC is his key to getting a trade and it kicks in on July 1st 2025. If he is unhappy with the situation, they aren't going to keep him beyond that date.

He will probably want 10 mill + too.

 

[Senovision]

View attachment 825414View attachment 825414

What the hell is this? Oh lord.

Never happening. Ladies and gentlemen let's all give Ryan Whitney a big round of applause for trying to raise awareness of his profile. Lol

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

He will probably want 10 mill + too.

He has term so it doesn't really matter what he wants on his next deal.

If they get that far it's a good problem to have.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Never happening. Ladies and gentlemen let's all give Ryan Whitney a big round of applause for trying to raise awareness of his profile. Lol

I wouldn't say never.

It makes complete sense if you follow basic pattern recognition. It would be outside the norm if he is still here in 2025 after missing the playoffs for 6-7 straight seasons.

I hope we win the cup next year and all of this blows over, but he is a young superstar with an upcoming NMC who put in his time here. That almost always works out the same way. The team will move him before the NMC kicks in because they need to get max value back.

It doesn't help that he is a Tkachuk and they aren't marks for anybody (except DJ Smith, but he is a fun guy). They know the score. I think he is gone next year short of everything somehow coming together and turning into a contender.

It's a nice coincidence that the one team that has the assets to give Ottawa an offer they can't refuse, and arguably could take the next step into becoming a contender is coached by DJ Smith and is in the Western Conference....

 

[bicboi64]

Bruce says that we can get a 2nd plus a prospect for Tarasenko, with more if Ottawa decides to retain.

Says that Staois talked to Vegas about Tarasenko. Oilers are also interested.

Screw Bruce, we can get a first for Tank, especially with half retained.

 

[Bileur]

I wouldn't say never.

It makes complete sense if you follow basic pattern recognition. It would be outside the norm if he is still here in 2025 after missing the playoffs for 6-7 straight seasons.

I hope we win the cup next year and all of this blows over, but he is a young superstar with an upcoming NMC who put in his time here. That almost always works out the same way. The team will move him before the NMC kicks in because they need to get max value back.

It doesn't help that he is a Tkachuk and they aren't marks for anybody (except DJ Smith, but he is a fun guy). They know the score. I think he is gone next year short of everything somehow coming together and turning into a contender.

It's a nice coincidence that the one team that has the assets to give Ottawa an offer they can't refuse, and arguably could take the next step into becoming a contender is coached by DJ Smith and is in the Western Conference....

Even if that were true, that’s pretty different than saying the sens currently « have something cooking » regarding a Brady trade.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Bruce says that we can get a 2nd plus a prospect for Tarasenko, with more if Ottawa decides to retain.

Says that Staois talked to Vegas about Tarasenko. Oilers are also interested.

Seems about right, but what does he mean by "if Ottawa decides to retain"?

50% retention is an absolute no brainer unless they want to limit the suitors and kill his value.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Seems about right, but what does he mean by "if Ottawa decides to retain"?

50% retention is an absolute no brainer unless they want to limit the suitors and kill his value.

Sens only have 2 retention spots. They may not want to tie up a spot. They are trying to make multiple different trades.

In addition to that, they currently are at risk of having Sanderson's performance bonuses roll over to next year's cap. A team taking on Tarasenko without retention could prevent that. So they would have to weigh the value of the additional asset against the value of up to a 1.85M cap penalty next year.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I can guarantee you Brannstrom will be on the way out.

He's a less effective Girard and we've seen how Girard was absolutely bullied in the playoffs and even a detriment to their success. Unsurprising they win the cup the year he got injured in playoffs and looked poorly at that.

You just don't win in playoffs with likes of Brannstrom and a 4th line guy bullying him off the puck in the playoffs.

 

[bert]

Call me crazy but I see some truth to the chucky rumours. I think they can maybe, MAYBE, keep him around one more year without a playoff run. And maybe 2 unless they win a round.

I just don’t see him wanting to be the man here anymore.

Now, I am one of the delusional fans who still thinks we can make a run here and make the show. If we do that I think he rounds out. But if we sputter to 9-12th positioning I wouldn’t be surprised if he asks for a trade.

I don’t think the sens ever move him unless he wants out

Hypothetically if he does want out you don't trade him. He's the captain and signed.a 7 year deal. The teams playing the right way for the first time since he has been here. There's something seriously wrong if he does want out when they are finally doing what it takes. That would be a major step back for this franchise. You wanna see people stop coming to games this would do it.

Brann will be gone by the end of the year at the latest, likely not a market at the deadline for him

If there was he would already be traded.

Seems about right, but what does he mean by "if Ottawa decides to retain"?

50% retention is an absolute no brainer unless they want to limit the suitors and kill his value.

No way he doesn't get a first.

 

[bert]

I wouldn't say never.

It makes complete sense if you follow basic pattern recognition. It would be outside the norm if he is still here in 2025 after missing the playoffs for 6-7 straight seasons.

I hope we win the cup next year and all of this blows over, but he is a young superstar with an upcoming NMC who put in his time here. That almost always works out the same way. The team will move him before the NMC kicks in because they need to get max value back.

It doesn't help that he is a Tkachuk and they aren't marks for anybody (except DJ Smith, but he is a fun guy). They know the score. I think he is gone next year short of everything somehow coming together and turning into a contender.

It's a nice coincidence that the one team that has the assets to give Ottawa an offer they can't refuse, and arguably could take the next step into becoming a contender is coached by DJ Smith and is in the Western Conference....

No team has the assets to get him short.of another super star physical forward coming back. This team is already soft. Can't trade one of it's only physical forwards. 'Put in his time' he's 24 and signed a 7 year deal and has the C. He wants to leave when he is a UFA sure but he's not even 25 years old.

People should probably prepare for the eventuality that Brady might be gone within the next 16 or so months.

Even if it is a rumor from a questionable source, it's completely reasonable to predict that Brady is out of here if we lose again next season.

His NMC is his key to getting a trade and it kicks in on July 1st 2025. If he is unhappy with the situation, they aren't going to keep him beyond that date.

Yawn.

 

[ottawagm]

View attachment 825414View attachment 825414

What the hell is this? Oh lord.

I could see it if he's been getting into it with management and ownership. Didn't want DJ fired, probably doesn't want Norris traded, blamed the fans, etc.

At some point are you the Captain of a team that isn't getting it done, and accept responsibility and the change that's needed, or is it all about you and making you feel comfortable?

Maybe in a package to STL. There was a rumour we were looking at Schenn.

 

[DJB]

That's the thing though. If you value smart puck moving, positive team flow, possession, competitive d, team chemistry.

Brannstrom accomplishes all of that.

The results are that the team looks good when he is on because of his hockey IQ.

He’s just not that great of a puck mover though and I don’t think he has great hockey IQ imo

 

[JD1]

JBD has been looking just as, if not better, slotting into the top 4 when asked too. Neither one has really been asked to ply actual top 4 minutes.

Brannstrom has played less than 18 minutes a game in 27 out of his last 30 games, he hasn’t been asked to play top 4 minutes, at all. He’s averaging 15 over that time frame. JBD has played over 18 in 3 of his past 6.

They’re both slotting into a top 4 role when asked, and playing bottom pair minutes, for the most part, JBD did play 20+ last night though.

Do we consider last night Brannstrom playing well in the top 4 because he slotted next to Chabot? He still played close to 3 minutes less than JBD who was 4th in icetime for the Sens D.

Something for you to consider

JBD is right handed. We have a weakness at RHD. Hamonic's play has fallen off a cliff. JBD is getting ice time and games because of it.

Brannstrom is a lefty and clearly the 4th lefty when the other 3 are healthy

If the situations were reversed, would JBD even be dressed? 8 games this year < 12 minutes. A couple games less than 10. Brannstrom has 3 games this year with sub 12. None sub 10.

Brannstrom is a bottom pairing guy in the NHL. Either here or somewhere else. So is JBD.

There's not much point in trying to find a stat to come up with an "aha" moment

 

[JD1]

They have 1 more season until his NMC kicks in. He has had six straight seasons without playoffs or any real progress here. Now there is a change in ownership and a lot of "chaos".

It is absolutely reasonable to think that either in the summer or next summer (if we lose again) he might use his impending NMC as leverage to go to a different situation.

While it would be shocking to see him moved this early, it makes complete sense to expect it as a possibility. If someone blows their socks off with an offer that has a different superstar with a greater level of control (ELC or RFA years, doesn't have a NMC) - you have to think they would at least consider it.

If they do trade him, I guarantee it isn't entirely their choice. Which doesn't mean Tkachuk asked out, but it means they know it is a massive risk next season and if they wait a year whatever return on Tkachuk they get, while it might be large, it won't be as large as the return will be if a team thinks they have to pry Tkachuk out of Ottawa like they might think right now.

How exactly do you use an NMC clause to get yourself out of a situation?

 

[Icelevel]

Who’s seen M Kesselring enough to share their thoughts?

 

[Wondercarrot]

I could see it if he's been getting into it with management and ownership. Didn't want DJ fired, probably doesn't want Norris traded, blamed the fans, etc.

At some point are you the Captain of a team that isn't getting it done, and accept responsibility and the change that's needed, or is it all about you and making you feel comfortable?

Maybe in a package to STL. There was a rumour we were looking at Schenn.

Why would he be “getting into it with management and ownership”?
I mean sure, you can make up any nonsense you like and then add “I could see it if this is happening”…
You think this is Tkachuk first rodeo of how hockey works?
A coach was fired oh my goodness!!!
Hockey boards speculating on trades?! Oh my!!
He verbally supported his coach under fire!!! Ahhhhhh!!!!! Trade him now!!!!

So silly.

 

[dumbdick]

I wouldn't say never.

It makes complete sense if you follow basic pattern recognition. It would be outside the norm if he is still here in 2025 after missing the playoffs for 6-7 straight seasons.

I hope we win the cup next year and all of this blows over, but he is a young superstar with an upcoming NMC who put in his time here. That almost always works out the same way. The team will move him before the NMC kicks in because they need to get max value back.

It doesn't help that he is a Tkachuk and they aren't marks for anybody (except DJ Smith, but he is a fun guy). They know the score. I think he is gone next year short of everything somehow coming together and turning into a contender.

It's a nice coincidence that the one team that has the assets to give Ottawa an offer they can't refuse, and arguably could take the next step into becoming a contender is coached by DJ Smith and is in the Western Conference....

I certainly don't claim to be an expert in "basic pattern recognition", but is this perhaps just projection?

And perhaps it's really you, and not Brady, that wants to switch teams whenever you feel yours isn't winning enough?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Bruce says that we can get a 2nd plus a prospect for Tarasenko, with more if Ottawa decides to retain.

Says that Staois talked to Vegas about Tarasenko. Oilers are also interested.

Is there ANY reason why we would NOT retain on any of the FAs? Like it makes no difference to us. Retain the max on them all they’re off the books at the end of the seaso.

 

[GCK]

I’m sorry but if he lacked anything to play bottom pair you would see that reflected in the numbers.

He’s a fine bottom pair d man. The stats say so. Last year he led in +\- Maybe we do need someone more physical. But saying he can’t do this or that is lying

Brannstrom is serviceable as a bottom pair left D. He along with Chychrun and Chabot are not good at all on the right side. My main problem with Brannstrom is his 2M salary for a serviceable bottom pairing D is double what it should be, another terrible Dorion move.

 

[Micklebot]

Something for you to consider

JBD is right handed. We have a weakness at RHD. Hamonic's play has fallen off a cliff. JBD is getting ice time and games because of it.

Brannstrom is a lefty and clearly the 4th lefty when the other 3 are healthy

If the situations were reversed, would JBD even be dressed? 8 games this year < 12 minutes. A couple games less than 10. Brannstrom has 3 games this year with sub 12. None sub 10.

Brannstrom is a bottom pairing guy in the NHL. Either here or somewhere else. So is JBD.

There's not much point in trying to find a stat to come up with an "aha" moment

One thing to consider, Brannstrom historically has gotten pretty sheltered deployment, both in terms of zone starts and competition. JBD has tended to get more neutral deployment.

Players don't get to choose their deployment, they can only make the best of what they are given, but I want someone the coach isn't worried about who they are going out against for my bottom pair. Now, maybe Brannstrom's usage is the coach trying to take advantage of Brannstrom's offense rather than worried about sheltering him,

 

[Burrowsaurus]

People should probably prepare for the eventuality that Brady might be gone within the next 16 or so months.

Even if it is a rumor from a questionable source, it's completely reasonable to predict that Brady is out of here if we lose again next season.

His NMC is his key to getting a trade and it kicks in on July 1st 2025. If he is unhappy with the situation, they aren't going to keep him beyond that date.

Well we should probably prepare ourselves for the deaths of everyone and everything around us too

 

[bert]

One thing to consider, Brannstrom historically has gotten pretty sheltered deployment, both in terms of zone starts and competition. JBD has tended to get more neutral deployment.

Players don't get to choose their deployment, they can only make the best of what they are given, but I want someone the coach isn't worried about who they are going out against for my bottom pair. Now, maybe Brannstrom's usage is the coach trying to take advantage of Brannstrom's offense rather than worried about sheltering him,

JBD has a much better hockey iq from a defenisve standpoint. He's better at body positioning and he's the best d man on the team for defensive reads. If he was bigger and stronger he would be a force. But much like Brannstrom (not as much) he's undersized and not fast. It's a huge up hill battle to be a regular d man in the NHL if you are not an elite skater and not big.

There's a reason JBD catches guys occasionally for big open ice hits. It's his reads. He's also good at identifying a situation to isolate against a player that has put themselves in a vulnerable position. I think as he gets older and stronger he can develop into a demelo type d man. It took demelo until his later 20's to get there. Could be a similar trajectory.

 

[Dan Patrick]

A package for Brady is almost funny to consider. It would have to start at top 3 RD prospect in league + protected 1st + unprotected 1st to stop me from hanging up the phone laughing.