Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[NB613]

To CGY:
JBD
2nd 2025

To OTT:
Tanev*

To LA:
Chychrun (15% retained)

To OTT
1st 2026
Kalyiev
Roy*

*extended

 

[aragorn]

Not sure what you mean by "signed"? I'm guessing you mean they are under contract this year???

Pesce is a UFA this summer. So, the $4.025 m is this year's cap hit. I would imagine he will be making more than $4.025 m next year. I'm not seeing how the Canes would be particularly motivated by this. They'd want to keep a good defenseman for a playoff run you'd think. If they want to bolster scoring, maybe they move picks so they don't subtract from the roster.

Flyers might want a simpler deal and just dangle Laughton to see if they can snag a goalie. That's assuming they don't have other options (i.e., maybe even an internal replacement). I suppose the interest in Korpisalo would be to replace Hart. It's at least based on some logic and better than the Canes deal I suppose - imho. Again, this assumes there aren't better options than Korpisalo.

I mean he comes with a signed contract for next yr, in other words we arrange he agrees to sign here immediately after trading for him & I also realize it's likely will be for more money. The money is to try & send out as much as we take in, in any deal at the trade deadline because of the cap implications this yr.

 

[DueDiligence]

Most of these owners are rich.

Well there's rich and then there's really rich. Andlauer is worth a $1 Billion and could buy the Sens. Thompson is worth $62 billion and could by every team in the league.

 

[ottawagm]

To CGY:
JBD
2nd 2025

To OTT:
Tanev

To LA:
Chychrun (15% retained)

To OTT
1st 2026
Kalyiev
Roy

That's a lot to give up for two players who can just walk away in July.

 

[NB613]

That's a lot to give up for two players who can just walk away in July.

Extensions in place for both - likely around $10M AAV total

 

[misplacedsensfan]

Chychrun will cost 8M to 9.5M per season, depending on how aggressive he wants to be.

Even on the low end of 8M, that means our top 4 along with another #4 type RHD likely costs around 33M of the cap.

Any solid #4 RHD will cost 4M-5M.

It's doable under the cap, but it would come at the cost of having an inadequate top 9 and possibly having to cheap out on our goalie tandem.

There is also diminishing returns, because if we bring in a RHD like Tanev, he will take minutes away from our current top 4.

I understand you are suggesting bringing in a cheaper RHD, but unless we get lucky like we did with Demelo and a cheaper RHD blossoms into a top 4, any cheap RHD is going to be a 6-7 type who won't factor into the top 4. So what you're basically asking in that scenario is, can we keep our top 4 as is with someone of their offside.

We could go after Tanev or a similar D, and keep Chychrun for 1 year as an own-rental, with the intention being to load up for a playoff run next year. I don't think we can do that given how many major assets we have burned though. If there is no real market for Chabot, we need to move Chychrun to recoup some assets and then use a smaller portion of those to get a more fitting RHD.

I disagree. We could definitely fit Tanev in and still keep Chychrun at 8 m. After next year the only top 9 players we need to sign are Giroux and Greig. We can easily get under the cap. The question is, whether this team turns the corner next year.

 

[DrEasy]

Trading for players who are going to be UFAs is loser attitude. Surely we can keep our assets, wait till the end of the season and get at least one of our targets in free agency? This is no longer a poor team, and I want to believe that the new front office should be able to muster enough good arguments to appeal to players who in the past wouldn't have considered Ottawa as an appealing destination.

 

[Samsquanch]

Admittedly I haven't seen much of Tanev in the past. Does he play bigger than his size?

Not that he's a small man. But we are really missing that hulk/big beefy dman on our blueline. It would be nice to get a guy who's got top tier size snd strength back there....

 

[Boud]

That's a lot to give up for two players who can just walk away in July.

That would obviously be conditional on them re-signing here and knowing what a deal would look like.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Admittedly I haven't seen much of Tanev in the past. Does he play bigger than his size?

Not that he's a small man. But we are really missing that hulk/big beefy dman on our blueline. It would be nice to get a guy who's got top tier size snd strength back there....

Tanev is like Zub or Brodin.

He is so so so smart with the puck. Has remarkable hockey IQ and among the best defensive defenders from his smarts alone. Ridiculously economical. He's went through a few surgeries so the only thing that will make him noneffective is father time.

Every year he goes through at least 25% of the season injured. Pretty significant and on the wrong, wrong side of 30 now. Risky as hell.

 

[dumbdick]

John Tavares lol

The intention was to retain 50% and flip him for another first this year.

So we'd be trading him at $5.5M cap ($4M cash) for a guy with 115 points in his last 127 games while playing on a 2nd line. As well as 14 points in his last 18 playoff games. And the receiving team would get him for two playoff runs, which I'd argue brings his value up a bit more than just a late first.

Similar to what habs did with monahan.

So chych, brann and norris for 3 firsts and knies, with us eating $5.5M in retention for next season ( $4M in actual cash).

Super unrealistic trade given his NMC. Especially since he'd have to waive twice or more likely this would just have to be structured as a three way trade. But it would be a great move for us i think.

And yeah I realize I'm wasting this time to give a well reasoned argument responding to a post that spent 3 seconds to write "John Tavares lol".

 

[UglyPuckling]

Well there's rich and then there's really rich. Andlauer is worth a $1 Billion and could buy the Sens. Thompson is worth $62 billion and could by every team in the league.

Ya, Thompson is super rich. He owns a chunk of Bell Canada, Reuters, etc., etc. The idea that Montreal needed to send money to Jets ownership like it was charitable donation was truly bizarre (I'm understating this).

 

[Golden_Jet]

The intention was to retain 50% and flip him for another first this year.

So we'd be trading him at $5.5M cap ($4M cash) for a guy with 115 points in his last 127 games while playing on a 2nd line. As well as 14 points in his last 18 playoff games. And the receiving team would get him for two playoff runs, which I'd argue brings his value up a bit more than just a late first.

Similar to what habs did with monahan.

So chych, brann and norris for 3 firsts and knies, with us eating $5.5M in retention for next season ( $4M in actual cash).

Super unrealistic trade given his NMC. Especially since he'd have to waive twice or more likely this would just have to be structured as a three way trade. But it would be a great move for us i think.

And yeah I realize I'm wasting this time to give a well reasoned argument responding to a post that spent 3 seconds to write "John Tavares lol".

Then I’d recommend you add 50% retainment in your initial trade posts, it makes a big difference.

 

[BondraTime]

Then I’d recommend you add 50% retainment in your initial trade posts, it makes a big difference.

Also take into consideration the cap on trade proposals, as 50% retainment doesn’t work for the leafs.

He wants the Sens to flip him at 50% retained, not the Leafs, in a separate trade.

 

[UglyPuckling]

I mean he comes with a signed contract for next yr, in other words we arrange he agrees to sign here immediately after trading for him & I also realize it's likely will be for more money. The money is to try & send out as much as we take in, in any deal at the trade deadline because of the cap implications this yr.

OK. It was confusing because you put Pesce's salary with this year's salary. It would have been clearer if you put $6 m as his salary or whatever you think his cap hit will be when he gets his new contract.

This trade proposal doesn't seem like the Canes motivation has been given careful consideration, so that still befuddles me. I'd think a team like the Canes are more likely to be thinking about a deep playoff run so its more likely they'll try to add without subtracting and important piece. JMHO.

 

[Golden_Jet]

He wants the Sens to flip him at 50% retained, not the Leafs, in a separate trade.

Ahh thanks, read it too quick, not to mention Tavares isn’t going anywhere, he’s not waiving his NMC to go to a none Playoff team.

 

[UglyPuckling]

Admittedly I haven't seen much of Tanev in the past. Does he play bigger than his size?

Not that he's a small man. But we are really missing that hulk/big beefy dman on our blueline. It would be nice to get a guy who's got top tier size snd strength back there....

Rock solid defensive defenseman and has been for years.

Odd to think folks aren't very aware of him.

Like others have said, if it was a short term contract (i.e. 2 years) it could be worth the risk. I think some are just looking at his age and saying no interest. He'd need to come with an extension of course.

If there are better options (younger, just as good, etc.), then sure, go for it.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Extensions in place for both - likely around $10M AAV total

If they’re willing to sign now. They’ll be willing to sign in the summer

 

[Big Muddy]

To CGY:
JBD
2nd 2025

To OTT:
Tanev*

To LA:
Chychrun (15% retained)

To OTT
1st 2026
Kalyiev
Roy*

*extended

Note - Spreadsheet was edited to fix a mistake (forgot Tanev). Not sure if you are proposing making two (2) additions to the blueline, or just one (1). It wasn't clear based on what was posted. My bad if your intent was to make just one addition. I can fix that quickly if need be.

I took your roster idea with additions and subtractions and applied the cap hits to them. This spreadsheet is for 2024-25.

Total $89,435,381 (over cap ceiling)

In general, I'm more focused on next season as this season is basically a lost leader. Also, seems more realistic (less fantasy oriented) to include cap hits to determine feasibility of the proposed roster.

Out - JBD and Chychrun retained @ 15% (690k)

In:
Tanev - modest raise, so $5 m
Kaliyev - Current contract expires at end of this season, so $1 m. It's a very modest raise & a guess.
Roy - Current contract expires at end of this season, so $4.50 m. It's a modest raise & a guess.

Other notables:
Pinto - new bridge contract
2nd line LW = TBD, or re-sign Tarasenko at $5m
22 player roster

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

The risk with Tanev is his age and injury history.

I don't think that matters as much, because the Senators need to fix whatever is wrong before next year and worry about the mess later. Giroux, and Tkachuk could be gone if we have another bottom 5 finish. Giroux is a UFA. Tkachuk's NMC kicks in after next year, and I highly doubt someone with Tkachuk blood is going to stick around after 7 years of poor management and losing.

In a perfect world, they could get a shutdown RHD who is in their prime. That is nearly impossible. They are dealing from a position of weakness.

People say getting Tanev is a desperate move, we don't need to do that, we need to manage assets but you have to think that maybe this team is in more of a desperate situation than most realize. They NEED to make the playoffs next year.

 

[HSF]

Trading for players who are going to be UFAs is loser attitude. Surely we can keep our assets, wait till the end of the season and get at least one of our targets in free agency? This is no longer a poor team, and I want to believe that the new front office should be able to muster enough good arguments to appeal to players who in the past wouldn't have considered Ottawa as an appealing destination.

How is trading for players a loser mentality? If you are following rumours it seems like atleast a team like Toronto know they can sign him so I suspect he is also willing to or has told other teams he will sign.

im not sure if Tanev fits here with the cap but i suspect Steve will look into it

 

[Big Muddy]

How is trading for players a loser mentality? If you are following rumours it seems like atleast a team like Toronto know they can sign him so I suspect he is also willing to or has told other teams he will sign.

im not sure if Tanev fits here with the cap but i suspect Steve will look into it

I think the poster you replied to is just to focused on free agents this summer to fill roster holes and needs. Hence, in this scenario, there would be no need to lose assets.

Of course, someone will come back with the idea that no free agents want to play in Ottawa. Of course, we do have new ownership and a young team with potential, so who knows? Maybe the previous stain of Melnyk ownership has been removed? Also, by offering more term (i.e., an extra year), and/or a little more money (e.g., $500 k), that has worked in the past.

But regardless, it will be debated and there's going to be some who just look at history and draw the negative conclusion. I'm not going to argue that.

 

[HSF]

I think the poster you replied to is just to focused on free agents this summer to fill roster holes and needs. Hence, in this scenario, there would be no need to lose assets.

Of course, someone will come back with the idea that no free agents want to play in Ottawa. Of course, we do have new ownership and a young team with potential, so who knows? Maybe the previous stain of Melnyk ownership has been removed? Also, by offering more term (i.e., an extra year), and/or a little more money (e.g., $500 k), that has worked in the past.

But regardless, it will be debated and there's going to be some who just look at history and draw the negative conclusion. I'm not going to argue that.

I think either path is valid either at the deadline or in free agency. Nothing to do with a losing mentality but I hope the organization has done their homework on who is avaliable at free agency vs now and any players who potentially could be traded in the offseason

If they deem that Tanev is our best bet and he will probably sign then it makes sense to move on him now

I personally would wait and try to sign Chychrun and see

 

[Tuna99]

Trading for players who are going to be UFAs is loser attitude. Surely we can keep our assets, wait till the end of the season and get at least one of our targets in free agency? This is no longer a poor team, and I want to believe that the new front office should be able to muster enough good arguments to appeal to players who in the past wouldn't have considered Ottawa as an appealing destination.

Alex Hemsky is somewhere shaking his head at this post

 

[Big Muddy]

I think either path is valid either at the deadline or in free agency. Nothing to do with a losing mentality but I hope the organization has done their homework on who is avaliable at free agency vs now and any players who potentially could be traded in the offseason

If they deem that Tanev is our best bet and he will probably sign then it makes sense to move on him now

I personally would wait and try to sign Chychrun and see

Yes, I agree with the bolded. We don't have much history or info to go on with our new owners/organization. If they wait for free agency which seems reasonable on the surface, I hope they are talking to player agents to get a feel for who's out there and who's interested.