GDT: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 3

[NyQuil]

The last thing we should be doing is trading away any more first round picks for anyone.

That is what you do when you have Crosby and Malkin in their mid-30s.

Not when you have a core 25 and below.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Read somehere by a russian guys. Tarasenko seem to torn with the Sens. Said the Sens look alike the Red Wings in the end of 90 s. He think he s the missing pieces and like the idea to play with Giroux

Did Pierre Dorion write that article

 

[Larionov]

Tarasenko does seem like one of those players, like Bertuzzi and Domi in Toronto, willing to take a one year deal and bet on themselves with a rising cap in 2024. Now, personally I think that the "rising cap" narrative has been wildly overblown, and that players are going to be disappointed with how relatively little it actually rises. (I'm thinking five or six percent.) But, if Tarasenko thinks he can cash in by playing in our top six on a one year deal, I'm all for it.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Tarasenko does seem like one of those players, like Bertuzzi and Domi in Toronto, willing to take a one year deal and bet on themselves with a rising cap in 2024. Now, personally I think that the "rising cap" narrative has been wildly overblown, and that players are going to be disappointed with how relatively little it actually rises. (I'm thinking five or six percent.) But, if Tarasenko thinks he can cash in by playing in our top six on a one year deal, I'm all for it.

I also worry about team chemistry when you have a hired gun that everyone knows will be a one year rental, who only cares about padding his own stats.

We have a pretty good room right now, and I wouldn't want to mess it up.

 

[NyQuil]

I also worry about team chemistry when you have a hired gun that everyone knows will be a one year rental, who only cares about padding his own stats.

We have a pretty good room right now, and I wouldn't want to mess it up.

I'm not sure what is going on with that guy.

 

[Cosmix]

For sure. I'd like them to have options so as not to pigeon hole themselves to one identity. Kastelic in the middle is good, but a MacEwan/Kelly wing combo tells you no offence and it's purely a grinder line. Probably a 5-8 minute a night only type 4th line.

I like having some big, tough, physical guys on the team and the 4th line is where you can stack up some enforcement type players. The key is to not be out-scored when they are on the ice. I don't need scoring from them.

 

[GCK]

There's simply no way you trade for a 3rd line player by giving up a 1st, a slightly overpaid 3rd line player and a cheap young D that's demonstrated the ability to play top 4 minutes for extended stretches of time.

Laughton played 18 minutes a night last year and posted 43 points. You can't win with him playing 18 a night. So when he drops down to a 14 minute a night guy, his points are going to plummet and people will be screaming

The only exception to that philosophy is Crouse. I’ve proposed the Boston 1st + Greig + Joseph for Crouse and one of Arizona’s 2nds. In fact if the money works I’d even keep Joseph. That’s 4 years of the exact type of player we need.

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Kubalik - Stu - Giroux
Crouse - Pinto - Joseph

Sexy top 9 no matter how you mix it up.

 

[NyQuil]

I like having some big, tough, physical guys on the team and the 4th line is where you can stack up some enforcement type players. The key is to not be out-scored when they are on the ice. I don't need scoring from them.

All I really want from a 4th line is as follows:
-Offensive zone face-offs to end your shift.
-Don't take penalties.
-Don't turn over the puck in your own zone.

If I get that, it's a successful 4th line shift.

Bonus stuff includes:
-Shots on net.
-Drawing penalties.
-Hits.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I'm not sure what is going on with that guy.

Maybe he's hoping the Rangers will shed some salary to make room for him? Otherwise, I have no idea.

 

[Cosmix]

No. NO. NO!!

Everyone in the league thinks that Dorion has done a fantastic job rebuilding the Sens.

Quite a few around these parts think that!

Interesting. I'm hoping we see something like the below, but certainly wouldn't be opposed with a 2nd upgrade too, even if it means someone near the bottom like Kelly or Joseph goes out the door.

Giroux - Stutzle - Tkachuk
Kubalik - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Addition
Smejkal - Kastelic - Joseph

Kelly, MacEwan as extras, possibly one put on waivers.

Sokolov possibly to start on the team over Greig because of waiver status and to see if there's anything there with Sok or not. Or just take our chances with Sokolov on waivers if he has a poor camp.

Basically, I don't want to see many spots in that bottom 6 gifted and hope we have a lot of competition in camp, even if it leads to losing a guy on waivers or ditching them via trade. Nobody other than Pinto and Kastelic showed they belong there on a full time basis, even Joseph.

The addition of Smejkal to the 4th line might work if he plays BIG.

Formenton - Norris - Batherson
Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
Kubalik - Pinto - Joseph
Smejkal - Kastelic - MacEwen
Kelly

 

[Slippy]

I also worry about team chemistry when you have a hired gun that everyone knows will be a one year rental, who only cares about padding his own stats.

We have a pretty good room right now, and I wouldn't want to mess it up.

True, but Tarasenko and his representatives should see that contributing to a winning team, potentially helping get to/win in the playoffs will greatly increase his value. Pro scouts should be looking at that just as much as stats when making recommendations on free agents. Barbashev is an extreme example, playing on the Stanley Cup Champs, but his playoff performance was a huge boost to his ultimate contract value.

Now maybe this sounds like I'm making an argument for Tarasenko to sign with a more legit contender, but he may not get the same regular season role on a legit contender, as he might in Ottawa with maybe a bit more TOI to help achieve the highest stat totals possible. And if he contributes to a playoff chase/run? All the better.

In terms of the personality fit? I have heard differing views, and frankly nothing has ever been direct, so ibhave no idea what to believe. I've heard he is the typical "Russian" hockey player, more interested with his stats than anything. But I have heard the opposite; that he is dedicated to winning as a team, and is good in the lockeroom. Having spent so many years in St. Louis and being a part of a Cup Championship team, I tend to believe the latter. Plus, I think the current lockeroom in Ottawa is strong enough to recognize a professional hockey player on a 1 year deal for what it is. They all want success.

Anyway, I wouldn't mind Tarasenko at all, as long as we don't have to shed something to valuable to fit him in.

 

[NyQuil]

True, but Tarasenko and his representatives should see that contributing to a winning team, potentially helping get to/win in the playoffs will greatly increase his value. Pro scouts should be looking at that just as much as stats when making recommendations on free agents. Barbashev is an extreme example, playing on the Stanley Cup Champs, but his playoff performance was a huge boost to his ultimate contract value.

Now maybe this sounds like I'm making an argument for Tarasenko to sign with a more legit contender, but he may not get the same regular season role on a legit contender, as he might in Ottawa with maybe a bit more TOI to help achieve the highest stat totals possible. And if he contributes to a playoff chase/run? All the better.

I think there's definitely some risk but potentially the highest amount of reward available for guys that we could potentially acquire.

1. He's got a lot of miles on him. He has a sort of blend of power game and finesse. How long can he still bring it?

2. If he's looking to maximize his contract value through offensive stats, that might limit the flexibility of the coach.

Is he a guy that will absolutely want to play with Stutzle? Does he have to play on PP1? Will he be disgruntled if he doesn't? Does he need assurances to that effect to sign here?

One year certainly limits the risk to a certain extent.

 

[Big Muddy]

I'm not sure what is going on with that guy.

IF that's ($5.5 to 6 m) what Tarasenko is going to get paid, that seems like a long shot to Ottawa with our cap situation. We have $5 m of projected cap space (per CapFriendy) and still have to sign Pinto.

It wouldn't surprise that any addition is going to be more of a budget (inexpensive) player. Hope springs eternal though.

 

[Sens Vader]

Kind of conflicting but Pagnotta said Tarasenko was looking at something in the 3-4 mil range

 

[Larionov]

Tarasenko isn't in a position to demand a high AAV right now, because virtually everyone is capped out. Therefore, if you are in his shoes, you are looking for the right fit, and then to take another swing next July. That's where we come in - young team on the rise, talented top six, etc. There aren't many other places where he can walk into a situation that favourable. This is why I think we might be able to get him at a discount on a one year deal.

I'm also not too worried about him messing up the room. These guys are pros, and sometimes I think that the chemistry thing is overblown. Know what creates great chemistry? Winning. If he's here, Tarasenko is going to be very motivated to silence the doubters and go get his bag for 2024 - I'm all about taking advantage of that...

 

[SENStastic]

I also worry about team chemistry when you have a hired gun that everyone knows will be a one year rental, who only cares about padding his own stats.

We have a pretty good room right now, and I wouldn't want to mess it up.

I wouldn't worry about that this year at all. In fact, I think it would actually be a plus for us. At his age, he needs to play his heart out next year to show that he is worth a more long term contract next offseason to any interested teams, he knows he wont get many more opportunities to land a nice deal for himself if he doesnt. And since he wont be part of our core in the future its a win win for both sides, and wouldn't cost us any assets that all we're already short on after wasting 3 draft years in a row.

Still way too many question marks for my liking to jump the gun rn on anymore significant costly additions, need to see how Korpisalo, Forseberg and Chychrun look in a full year first and whether they can all stay healthy and play well before making any more big moves and risk spending the few premium pieces left on the wrong issue.

 

[BondraTime]

Brooks is just throwing shit at the wall

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I really feel like Tarasenko to Ottawa is a pipe dream.

He will be taking a 1yr, low salary contract. Ottawa has very little space, so we can probably only offer him an ok deal. Add in higher taxes, chances are we won't be offering significantly more than any other team.

Now, on a 1yr deal, the most important thing is fit. What are the odds that he ends up as our 3RW, or is forced to play LW if he wants to be in the top 6? Pretty high imo.

So why would he sign here?

 

[SpezDispenser]

I really feel like Tarasenko to Ottawa is a pipe dream.

He will be taking a 1yr, low salary contract. Ottawa has very little space, so we can probably only offer him an ok deal. Add in higher taxes, chances are we won't be offering significantly more than any other team.

Now, on a 1yr deal, the most important thing is fit. What are the odds that he ends up as our 3RW, or is forced to play LW if he wants to be in the top 6? Pretty high imo.

So why would he sign here?

Exactly, he won't.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I also worry about team chemistry when you have a hired gun that everyone knows will be a one year rental, who only cares about padding his own stats.

We have a pretty good room right now, and I wouldn't want to mess it up.

If one guy like that messes our room up then the room isn’t as good as you think

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

How do we have a good room if it is so fragile that people here are always handwringing about protecting the room.

Isn't that the opposite of a strong room?

If one guy like that messes our room up then the room isn’t as good as you think

Lol beat me.

But exactly !

 

[JD1]

The only exception to that philosophy is Crouse. I’ve proposed the Boston 1st + Greig + Joseph for Crouse and one of Arizona’s 2nds. In fact if the money works I’d even keep Joseph. That’s 4 years of the exact type of player we need.

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Kubalik - Stu - Giroux
Crouse - Pinto - Joseph

Sexy top 9 no matter how you mix it up.

Sure, but Crouse>>>Laughton

 

[SENStastic]

Kind of conflicting but Pagnotta said Tarasenko was looking at something in the 3-4 mil range

If he'd sign a 1 year $3.5, I'd do it in a heart beat and wont be difficult to fit under the cap.

 

[Mingus Dew]

I can’t see why Tarasenko would sign here for anything short of an overpay. It’s not happening.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Sure, but Crouse>>>Laughton

Show your work. Have to justify a difference of including Greig.