GDT: Free Agency Day 1: You're from Boston? Come on down

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Gurglesons

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Okay then this is how I see the lineup as-is.

O’Connor - Crosby - Rust
Bunting - Malkin - Rakell
Beauvillier - Hayes - Puustinen
Lizotte - Eller - Acciari
Poulin, Puljujarvi

Pettersson - Karlsson
Graves - Letang
Grzelcyk - St. Ivany
Ludvig

Jarry / Nedeljkovic

A lot of those bottom-6 pieces are rather interchangeable depending on who looks good in camp and preseason. Even Poulin who can play any forward position, and Puljujarvi either wing.

Just a couple of things.

Beauvillier will get the first shot at 1st or 2nd line minutes without question by Mike Sullivan. It's his playbook.

I imagine Gryz will be Letang's partner.

That 4th line is going to exist forever and be called our identity line.
 

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I have been calling for Bryan Rust to be traded for seasons. It's not hindsight. I hate how he has played for years. :laugh:

Nobody knows, but you're asking me for what I have constantly advocated for on these boards and I gave you my answer. The problem this organization has is that it falls in love with minor players constantly. That's not changing any time soon. I'm not sure why it's illegal to discuss that now, but hey, if you want just assenting voices SEAL, just copy whatever Emp and DP are saying and pretend I said it.
I've been inserting him into trade prospoals since resigning as much as anyone. What I'm telling you is that up until this year, this team wanted to go to the playoffs and compete. You don't do that by trading off Rust or the players that help you do that. Sure, we can look at the guys that didn't help and retroactively decide that something different should have been done to sound smart but in reality, it does nothing.

I mean sure, we can talk about possible returns of yesteryear but I don't see the point. We all wonder about things. "Many men lead lives of quiet desperation". No doubt everyone here has wondered how their lives would have been different if they asked the cute girl out, took different classes in college, or not pee'd in that alley next to the school. I'd probably be better off had I gone to medical school and not the Navy. Wow, cool. Doesn't matter now though.
 

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It's just mind boggling to me as to how many people are excited to sign more players to play a style of play nobody likes to watch but won't be bad enough to meaningfully tank.

I dunno. I think this roster has potential to be, really, really bad next year.

I've been inserting him into trade prospoals since resigning as much as anyone. What I'm telling you is that up until this year, this team wanted to go to the playoffs and compete. You don't do that by trading off Rust or the players that help you do that. Sure, we can look at the guys that didn't help and retroactively decide that something different should have been done to sound smart but in reality, it does nothing.

I mean sure, we can talk about possible returns of yesteryear but I don't see the point. We all wonder about things. "Many men lead lives of quiet desperation". No doubt everyone here has wondered how their lives would have been different if they asked the cute girl out, took different classes in college, or not pee'd in that alley next to the school. I'd probably be better off had I gone to medical school and not the Navy. Wow, cool. Doesn't matter now though.

We should trust the GM that thought that and acquired a 10 mil dollar paper weight for a 14th overall 1st rounder and a 2nd roudner to now know what to do, right?
 
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I dunno. I think this roster has potential to be, really, really bad next year.



We should trust the GM that thought that and acquired a 10 mil dollar paper weight for a 14th overall 1st rounder and a 2nd roudner to now know what to do, right?
Fingers crossed. Then you can complain about not trading the worthless 8th overall or something. :laugh:
 

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Beauvillier has really good playoff numbers. If we get there maybe he can be one of those clutch guys.

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I think that's an outdated viewpoint.

Last year, he said he and Sully sat down and designed a team so yeah - Graves, Acciari, Eller, Nieto - that's the team built under the Sullivan-Dubas blueprint. Watching it not do well has made Dubas more aggressive on pursuing his version. Which he's been extremely clear on so...I guess I just don't see the logic or evidence that a 1x1.25mil deal for a depth forward is someone FSG putting a gun to Dubas's head on Sullivan's behalf? :dunno:
JR did the same - sat down and created their blue print after the dust settled under the 2 cups. Sullivan's idea was Jankowski's and Johnson. Under Hextall it was other shit that he would end up misusing as well.

Rinse repeat. Common denominator for the massive issue this team has had with getting better the last 8 seasons is....take a wild guess?

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There’s no Gm that pairs with Sullivan’s idea because the idea is the issue and the coach has no other ideas.
 
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You don't do that by trading off Rust or the players that help you do that.
You absolutely do. This franchise has a huge, storied history of trading off HHOFs and leading scorers to make a move. It's the very mythos of our whole 1st era-- Cullen and Zalapski for Francis, Jennings, and Sammuelsson! It's been kind of a mistake that we got away from that to be honest.
 

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As has been mentioned, might be worth it to see if Colton could be had from Colorado. Always liked his game.

Eller or Acciari at max retain for Colton and a 3rd.

f***tard Frank must be shocked to know GM's are working hard at deals after the frenzy dies down that isn't reported to twats like him to tweet as rumors and speculation.
 

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You absolutely do. This franchise has a huge, storied history of trading off HHOFs and leading scorers to make a move. It's the very mythos of our whole 1st era-- Cullen and Zalapski for Francis, Jennings, and Sammuelsson! It's been kind of a mistake that we got away from that to be honest.
Yeah lmao the cup champs just shipped Huberdeau and Weegar out the moment they could
 

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I dunno. I think this roster has potential to be, really, really bad next year.



We should trust the GM that thought that and acquired a 10 mil dollar paper weight for a 14th overall 1st rounder and a 2nd roudner to now know what to do, right?
Honestly, really, really bad would be a mitzvah. This team is probably going to be two spots out of the playoffs and draft like 12th.
 

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I dunno. I think this roster has potential to be, really, really bad next year.
I agree.

Dubas basically did the "contend while building towards the future" part except without the contending part figured out lol.

It was always an impossible ask though. Honestly, if Dubas is gonna f*** up any part of this, I would *much* rather he f*** up the "contend now" part than the "build towards the future part".

If the Pens suck next year it doesn't matter one bit. They still have their pick and they have assets they could sell off at the TDL.

If Dubas were to try to go all in on staying competitive now then the risk would be that the roster would still be bad and they'd have no picks for the future.

At the end of the day, I'm fine with this. If we're bad it's not a problem because we'll get a good pick. Sucks for Sid and all but oh well.
 
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It's just mind boggling to me as to how many people are excited to sign more players to play a style of play nobody likes to watch but won't be bad enough to meaningfully tank.
I'm not excited for anyone we got today. But I do think the amount of prospects we're bringing in lately is meaningful.
For example the Hayes 2nd is likely to be a high 2nd rounder, in a deep draft. And I like the 2027 one, because that lines up with our timeline.
I'm high on the Guentzel deal, and how we can still flip Bunting for even more.

FSG is blocking Dubas from scorched earth, so this is what I'd do too, in his position. Pick up picks where you can, if ownership is too hockey-stupid to know what a sinking ship is.
Teams throwing away 2nds like candy. Load up.
 

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Literally no one is excited that Kevin Hayes is on the Penguins. People are happy that they're finally making the difficult decisions they need to do and start the rebuild, rather than the tire spinning they've done in the past 3-4 years.

Do you think Sharks fans liked watching the Sharks as they gradually declined and sold off their top pieces? Of course not. But this is what a rebuild looks like.
 

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Yeah lmao the cup champs just shipped Huberdeau and Weegar out the moment they could
Hawks - shit franchise example I know, knew it was time to say bye to Kane and Toews. Does it change their legacy for the cups? No. The sexual assault does. Again, side tracked. Bad example.

But to keep players for legacy vs logic is absolutely moronic when you're running a f***ing company that has to evolve with the times to stay competitive vs keeping a figurehead because it makes everyone feel fuzzies.

Jagr left and he came back for his retirement and is absolutely beloved like he never left. Does it change his legacy that he was dying alive? Nah.
 
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BlindWillyMcHurt

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Obviously you don't judge a cake before it's actually finished baking but I'm sorry... I gotta wonder where some of you are getting confidence in there being a plan or lane picked or whatever cliche you want to use. This all seems very confused to me, at least.

I mean it's whatever but this notion that the team has finally decided to do things one way or the other to my eyes is patently false. So far this has all the hallmarks of a "compromise roster." At least they aren't signing long term deals. Yet.
 

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Hawks - shit franchise example I know, knew it was time to say bye to Kane and Toews. Does it change their legacy for the cups? No. The sexual assault does. Again, side tracked. Bad example.

But to keep players for legacy vs logic is absolutely moronic when you're running a f***ing company that has to evolve with the times to stay competitive vs keeping a figurehead because it makes everyone feel fuzzies.

Jagr left and he came back for his retirement and is absolutely beloved like he never left. Does it change his legacy that he was dying alive? Nah.

The Hawks did not trade Kane until he was a rental, when their rebuild started like 3 years before that.
 
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