Free Agency and Trade Thread - Playoff Edition II

[sittler rules!!!]

I'm not holding my breath waiting for a trade like that to happen though. No idea what CBJ will do in the off season, but doing some free agent shopping for forwards would seem like a possibility. Doubt if Werenski is going anywhere and you need to draft a defender like that typically.

If and when Panarin walks, Marner would be a nice fit with the BJ's. Jones is a righty, cheaper ,only 24,checks all the boxes. If Columbus adds throw in Anderson. Look good riding shotgun with Mathews or JT. And isn't Werenski a lefty.
LEAF D:
Reilly -- Jones
Muzzin --- Zaitsev
Rosen --- Dermott or Rosen /Lily or Dermott/Lily

 

[sittler rules!!!]

I'm all for it but range of opinion on Pesce's value varies considerably, some who feel Nylander is not nearly enough alone for him.

Oh, you are going to get toasted by the Nylander trogs. I do agree with you though.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

My understanding is he doesn’t want to be there. They referenced the death of his father at a game or something. Similar and that both sides want to move on.

They need RHD and a winger to play with Mcdavid. Larson has been a whipping boy this year in Edmonton. I’m not sure what his value is. But a RHD on a similar contract at a similar age.

Change of scenery trade. Edmonton
Updgrades at wing. Drops down at RHD.

Something like Z and Kappy/brown for Larson and kassian might work.....

I like the Z/Brown for Larson /Kassian

 

[HoweHullOrr]

If and when Panarin walks, Marner would be a nice fit with the BJ's. Jones is a righty, cheaper ,only 24,checks all the boxes. If Columbus adds throw in Anderson. Look good riding shotgun with Mathews or JT. And isn't Werenski a lefty.
LEAF D:
Reilly -- Jones
Muzzin --- Zaitsev
Rosen --- Dermott or Rosen /Lily or Dermott/Lily

Re: checks all of the boxes = yes, for the Leafs.

Like a lot of other posts, we are talking about the Leafs perspective. My guess is Jones isn't going anywhere.

CBJ can avail themselves to a number of alternatives e.g. dip into the free agency market for a good forward. IF they were to do so, they would address & add to their forward group withOUT losing their highly, desirable, stud defender. They are not compelled to deal with us & the multiple schemes/dreams we come up with.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

Re: checks all of the boxes = yes, for the Leafs.

Like a lot of other posts, we are talking about the Leafs perspective. My guess is Jones isn't going anywhere.

CBJ can avail themselves to a number of alternatives e.g. dip into the free agency market for a good forward. IF they were to do so, they would address & add to their forward group withOUT losing their highly, desirable, stud defender. They are not compelled to deal with us & the multiple schemes/dreams we come up with.

Only spitballin , wondering if it would work. We are all entitled to an opinion

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Only spitballin , wondering if it would work. We are all entitled to an opinion

Opinions are good. Spitballin is OK too. Taking into account the needs of the potential trading partner and their solutions/alternatives is even better.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

Opinions are good. Spitballin is OK too. Taking into account the needs of the potential trading partner and their solutions/alternatives is even better.

Hmmm. I thought I did with Marner replacing Panarin

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Hmmm. I thought I did with Marner replacing Panarin

Your solution isn't necessarily the best alternative of the available alternatives. You seemed to be locked on to your solution without considering the other options & alternatives (for CBJ).

My post stated another alternative that enabled CBJ to add to their forward group withOUT subtracting one of the best defenders in the NHL.

 

[Rielly4]

Personally i would trade Matthews before Marner. He would have higher trade value as well and i think hes more likely to leave in his late 20s then Marner is.

EDIT: But i would trade Tavares before trading either of them.

 

[Blueboy]

CBJ wouldn’t trade Jones for Marner even if we added 2 1sts, let alone them adding Anderson.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Personally i would trade Matthews before Marner. He would have higher trade value as well and i think hes more likely to leave in his late 20s then Marner is.

EDIT: But i would trade Tavares before trading either of them.

How about we trade none of the big 4 up front? Do whatever you need too to make the cap work.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

How about we trade none of the big 4 up front? Do whatever you need too to make the cap work.

The Leafs only have a Big 3 up front. Everyone else could easily get dealt at any given time.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

The Leafs only have a Big 3 up front. Everyone else could easily get dealt at any given time.

As much as people don't want to admit it, Nylander is way closer to those top 3 than he is to anybody else. His contract actually may end up as the best of the bunch.

Especially if Marner ends up getting $3-4M more in AAV.

 

[Cor]

Given Kesler’s Injury history in Vancouver, I wonder if his extension in Anaheim isn’t insured.


Imagine if we can somehow swindle something with them to take his contract and put it on LTIR and sending back playable salary to them, similar to the deal with CBJ for Horton

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Given Kesler’s Injury history in Vancouver, I wonder if his extension in Anaheim isn’t insured.


Imagine if we can somehow swindle something with them to take his contract and put it on LTIR and sending back playable salary to them, similar to the deal with CBJ for Horton

For what purpose, and what else do we get in return. They'd need to make it worthwhile.

 

[Cor]

For what purpose, and what else do we get in return. They'd need to make it worthwhile.

The purpose is to help our cap situation. If we sent Brown + Zaitsev to Anaheim for Kesler + Assets, then it frees up our cap space and helps them since they have an internal budget.

Again, that hinges on Kesler’s deal being uninsured, which given his injury history before he signed his deal, could be possible

 

[Kiwi]

For what purpose, and what else do we get in return. They'd need to make it worthwhile.

If we could get Marleau to waive his NMC after we paid his bonuses and give them Zaitsev as well it would be very attractive

Another Clarkson for Horton if you will, eating money to open up cap space

 

[Kiwi]

The purpose is to help our cap situation. If we sent Brown + Zaitsev to Anaheim for Kesler + Assets, then it frees up our cap space and helps them since they have an internal budget.

Again, that hinges on Kesler’s deal being uninsured, which given his injury history before he signed his deal, could be possible

Marleau instead of Brown Cor (if he'd waive) Brown has actual trade value still

 

[Cor]

Marleau instead of Brown Cor (if he'd waive) Brown has actual trade value still

Marleau and Zaitsev is like, almost 11M in cap. They can’t really take that on.

Zaitsev + Brown is nearly 7M. That solves our issue and yes, Brown does have some value, and hence we would be getting assets back.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

The purpose is to help our cap situation. If we sent Brown + Zaitsev to Anaheim for Kesler + Assets, then it frees up our cap space and helps them since they have an internal budget.

Again, that hinges on Kesler’s deal being uninsured, which given his injury history before he signed his deal, could be possible

Once again, that would have to be a nice set of assets. We could move both Brown and Zaitsev individually without cap retention and get a strong return from teams.

 

[Kiwi]

Marleau and Zaitsev is like, almost 11M in cap. They can’t really take that on.

Zaitsev + Brown is nearly 7M. That solves our issue and yes, Brown does have some value, and hence we would be getting assets back.

You'd be better off just trading Brown separately in that case and moving Zaitsev straight up

 

[Cor]

You'd be better off just trading Brown separately in that case and moving Zaitsev straight up

Point is, we can get better value by offsetting Zaitsev’s contract by taking Kesler’s salary. We could get better value trading them in a package and offsetting Zaitsev’s contract by taking on Kesler. Perhaps one of ANA’s first rounders.

It can also work with Marleau, in theory. Marleau to ANA for Kesler, and then Marleau, 50% retained to SJS for something, or maybe ANA would even buy him out.

The specifics doesn’t really matter. Main point is, depending on if the contract is insured or not, it’s something that could be an opportunity

 

[Kiwi]

Point is, we can get better value by offsetting Zaitsev’s contract by taking Kesler’s salary. We could get better value trading them in a package and offsetting Zaitsev’s contract by taking on Kesler. Perhaps one of ANA’s first rounders.

It can also work with Marleau, in theory. Marleau to ANA for Kesler, and then Marleau, 50% retained to SJS for something, or maybe ANA would even buy him out.

The specifics doesn’t really matter. Main point is, depending on if the contract is insured or not, it’s something that could be an opportunity

I'd be keen on the Zaitsev Marleau (even if we retain 50% on Marleau) deal, getting rid of our two worst deals for just money would be amazing

 

[Legion34]

Given Kesler’s Injury history in Vancouver, I wonder if his extension in Anaheim isn’t insured.


Imagine if we can somehow swindle something with them to take his contract and put it on LTIR and sending back playable salary to them, similar to the deal with CBJ for Horton

I don’t know the answer to this but what is the advantage for anaheim. Do they have to pay any of Ltir? I thought that was insurance

 

[Cor]

I don’t know the answer to this but what is the advantage for anaheim. Do they have to pay any of Ltir? I thought that was insurance

Players who have lengthy injury history, sometimes can’t have their contracts insured. That’s how we got rid of Clarkson. Horton’s contract wasn’t insured, and Columbus preferred paying a player to pay for them, rather than one who was injured.